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Old 01-20-2005, 07:32 AM
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i found this over at the benelux msg board. grand duke henri upped, so to speak, the titles of jean and robert as well as their children on nov 27, 2004. here's a link for anyone intersted: http://members3.boardhost.com/Benelu...sg/139723.html

i think that's good news as i believe that jean shouldn't have had to give up his rights just to marry the woman he loves(ed)- loved b/c there's news that he and helene are divorced, which is sad.
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Old 01-20-2005, 07:50 AM
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Wenceslas

How do you pronounce his name? I want to say Win-ses-las?
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Old 01-20-2005, 10:51 AM
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Wenceslas

How do you pronounce his name? I want to say Win-ses-las?
It's a latin form of a slavian name, "vjenez" meaning wreath and "slava" meaning glory
I think it's spelled on the French way Wen-ses-la but I'm not sure!

Prince Jean of Nassau and his children Marie-Gabrielle, Constantin, Wenceslas and Carl at the funeral of 15th January 2005

Prince Jean read the 1st letter of Saint Paul apostleto Tessaloniki:

Frères et soeurs, nous ne voulons pas vous laisser dans l'ignorance que tu viens de ceux qui ce sont endormis dans la mort. Il ne faut pas que vous soyez abbattu comme les autres qui n'ont pas d'ignorance. Jesus, nous le croyons est mort et réssuscitait. De même nous le croyons ceux qui ce sont endormis. Dieu à cause de Jesus les emmènera avec son fils pour toujours avec le seigneur. Retenez ce que je viens de dire et récomportez vous les uns les autres. Parole du seigneur.

Translation:Brothers and sisters, we don't want to leave you alone in the ignorance that you come from those who are fallen asleep in the death. You ought not be despondent like the others who have no ignorance. Jesus we believe in that, is dead and than have been resurrected. We believe the same from those who are fallen asleep. God on account of Jesus will bring them with his son thus we are forever with the lord. Remember what I've said and find together. Speech of God.

1.and 2. pictures of Prince Jean speeking

Princess Marie Gabrielle (eldest daughter of Prince Jean of Nassau) speaking her prayer in French: Ceci est spécialement pour amaman. Que la joie que tu nous donnes maintenant soit une consolation pour notre cher apapa et qu'elle régale surtout notre famille.

Translation:This is especially for our dear grandma. May the joy which you are giving us in this moment be a consolation for our dear grandpa and join our family.

3. Princess Marie-Gabrielle making the speech
4. to 6. pics of Prince Jean at the funeral
7. picture of the children of Prince Jean at the funeral (second row)

Note: Sorry if you have seen some of them but pictures of Jean and his family are very rare. :(
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It's a latin form of a slavian name, "vjenez" meaning wreath and "slava" meaning glory
I think it's spelled on the French way Wen-ses-la but I'm not sure!

Thanks drimal!
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"Slava" comes from the name "Yaroslav", which is slavic.
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:) Thanks for the pics drimal

I think Wenceslas is so-named as his Mum is half Yugoslavian

:( msfroyste, is it true that Jean is divorced? Couldn't get the link you posted to work...
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Old 03-16-2005, 07:08 PM
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No one really quite knows if Jean is divorced because his life is so secretive. But he is at least seperated from his wife.
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Old 03-17-2005, 01:33 AM
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the link is out of date, sorry lady jane. however, it was announced, on the benelux msg board when i posted it that they had, indeed, divorced. and someone had said that they had had confirmation from someone at the court. *shrugs b/c she doesn't know if it's really true or not. hope that helps.
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Old 03-17-2005, 07:18 PM
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Oh life's ironies.
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Was he the first born?
No, luckily for everyone, the present Grand Duke is the elder brother. It really would have been a huge upset if he had been heir to the throne, or whatever they have in a Grand Dukedom.
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Henri actually threatened to abdicate if he couldn't marry MT.
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Old 03-28-2005, 09:11 PM
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That is the first time I have heard this. It must have taken him a lot to actually say that to his parents. So many things though are not said by words but actions.

I seem to get the feeling through other threads and everything, that although Joesphine met well, the late Grand Duchess often rubbed some of her family members the wrong way. Jean I think is a "victim" of some of this old fashioned thinking of Joesphine's and Jean. His parents had the power to let him retain his title despite the circumstances of his marriage to Helen.
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Well, JC and Jean were the old fashioned type of royals, but meant well. MT and Henri aren't, but they still mean well.
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according to what's been said, i don't think it was jean who was causing the issues. too many ppl have said that it was j-c who was "pushing off her agenda" onto jean. but like rosemary said, she probably wanted what she considered was best for her children, like any mother would, and unfortunately or fortunately, depending how you look at it and the situation, that could be both a good or a bad thing. i do find it interesting that henri would've considered taking himself out of the line of succession so he could marry mt - a really romantic gesture. but i wonder what all went down that could've caused him to do that.
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It probably wasn't Jean. JC was just probabaly pushy.
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Old 03-31-2005, 01:41 AM
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well, jean just doesn't seem the type to interfere with the lives of his kids more than the norm, so to speak. besides he seems really nice. jean probably took himself out of the line of succession because j-c could've pushed him a little too far, and he wanted to get back at her, which is sad b/c they all seem to be such nice ppl and seem to have such a closely knit family. but from personal experience, not mine but various other family memebers, when parents push a little too hard, such as being snippy about someone's choice of spouse,in this case, ppl tend to do what can be considered "drastic" things at the time, the outcome of which can be hurtful, sad, and/or destructive, one way or another. hopefully, jean(jr.), helen, and j-c, as well as mt, made peace before her death.
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I think it was more JC than Jean (jr) that probably wanted him to give up his rights.
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Both Jean sr. & Jean jr. are lovely people, & I don't think rights to the throne were important to Jean jr. anyway, there's much more to life than that!

But JC was quite a formidable woman, seemingly a bit of a stickler for tradition & doing 'the right thing'...

Similarly with Henri & MT, it is obvious, even now, that they are v much in love, but MT isn't a traditional match for a royal heir, so I'm not surprised there was parental opposition there too.

But in this day & age most people are able to choose their own spouse, so why shouldn't the royals, whatever their traditions dictate? Well done Henri & MT!

:) Thanks msfroyste for info on Jean jr poss. being divorced, yes it certainly does help!
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Henri actually threatened to abdicate if he couldn't marry MT.
wow are you serious? this is the first time i heard of this...wow MT and Henri's love for each other is so beautiful! :)
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I heard it on this special about the family that was made about a year or so before Henri became Grand Duke.
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