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When Princess Alexandra married your husband will have the title of Prince?
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When Princess Alexandra married your husband will have the title of Prince?
Not unless she marries a Prince or he's created a Prince.
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When Princess Alexandra married your husband will have the title of Prince?
The house law states that she will keep her title and remain a member of the House and that even her spouse will become a member of the House though he will not get a title. Their children will have their father's last name and if he has a title, his title.
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What is an arrete grand-ducal?

Thank you MAfan! An arrete grand-ducal sounded extremely fancy.
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Basically it is a decree issued by the Grand Duke.
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The Proclamation and Enthronement Ceremony of HRH Grand Duke Jean in 1964


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Basically it is a decree issued by the Grand Duke.
Indeed, the British equivalent is an Order in Council, a Proclamation, a Royal Warrant, a Letter in Patent. An Arrêté Grand-Ducal is the same as a Koninklijk Besluit (Royal Decree) in the Netherlands (both Countries were under one Crown until 1890). Whatever the exact name, it all means an executive form of legislation based on a higher Act (a parent Act). No parliamentary vote is required, since it is always in the framework of a higher Act.

In an Arrêté Grand-Ducal always the source (the parent Act) on which it is based, is named.
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What is an arrete grand-ducal?

Thank you MAfan! An arrete grand-ducal sounded extremely fancy.

Arrêté grand-ducal
means a grand-ducal decree in French. In Belgium, a royal decree is also called an arrêté royal in French (or koninklijk besluit in Dutch).

Basically, a royal decree in a kingdom, or a grand-ducal decree in a grand duchy, is an executive order issued by the monarch. In most constitutional monarchies, a royal decree is pre-approved by the council of ministers (i.e. the elected government of the country) and is signed by one or more ministers who are responsible for its contents; the monarch himself is not responsible although the decree is issued in his name.

Click on the following links for examples of royal decrees in Belgium (in Dutch and in French), in the Netherlands (in Dutch), and in Spain (in Spanish). You can see at the bottom the names of the responsible ministers who sign the decree.

In the United Kingdom, however, the Queen does not issue royal decrees, but rather what is called an "order in council", which is similar. In Sweden, on the other hand, under the new constitution that came into force in 1975, executive orders are now made by the government alone and the King accordingly doesn't have the power to issue royal decrees; however, the King of Sweden still meets with the government in advisory councils, and, as the constitutional Head of the State, he can also issue diplomatic credentials and award certain honors to Swedish and foreign citizens.
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Women were never prohibited from ascending to the throne of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.

The first succession law, the Nassau family pact of 1783, allowed female succession if the male line of the house of Nassau became extinct.

Succession in Nassau and Luxemburg

The second succession law, the Nassau family statute of 1907, was semi-Salic and recognized the rights of succession of Grand Duke Wilhelm IV's daughters and all of their descendants who were born in an approved marriage.

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Women were never prohibited from ascending to the throne of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg.

The first succession law, the Nassau family pact of 1783, allowed female succession if the male line of the house of Nassau became extinct.

Succession in Nassau and Luxemburg

The second succession law, the Nassau family statute of 1907, was semi-Salic and recognized the rights of succession of Grand Duke Wilhelm IV's daughters and all of their descendants who were born in an approved marriage.

http://data.legilux.public.lu/file/e...-37-fr-pdf.pdf
Aren't the two the same thing. I thought semi-Salic succession is when women can only inherit or ascend to the throne if there is none in the male line.
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Aren't the two the same thing. I thought semi-Salic succession is when women can only inherit or ascend to the throne if there is none in the male line.
Yes, both laws were semi-Salic. The difference was that women's descendants were not in the line of succession up to 1907.
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It went further then that. In order for a woman to inherit, there had to be absolutely no possible male heir to inherit. Customarily, under semi-Salic, if a king had no sons, his daughters would be heir to the throne before say a nephew, cousin or brother of the king. This was not the case in Nassau as we see with the Netherlands, when we see Luxembourg dividing off.

If the rules of 1907 were in place, wilhemina would have been grand duchess of Luxembourg as she had no brothers. But under the old rules, there had to be no legitimate male heir alive, and there was, Adolph. Adolph was not even closely related, he was a member of a cadet branch. His closest relation to William III was through his great grandmother who was a daughter of William IV of orange.
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RoyalHighness 2002 was correct; under semi-Salic succession, a woman or her descendant can only inherit the throne when the male line becomes extinct. The Netherlands also followed semi-Salic law, but Adolph was not a male-line descendant of King Willem I, so he did not become the King of the Netherlands.
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The second succession law, the Nassau family statute of 1907, was semi-Salic and recognized the rights of succession of Grand Duke Wilhelm IV's daughters and all of their descendants who were born in an approved marriage.

http://data.legilux.public.lu/file/e...-37-fr-pdf.pdf
It's a bit more complicated than that. The 1907 law didn't give all of Wilhelm's daughters succession rights per se. It gave Marie-Adelaide and her male heirs succession rights. In the case that Marie-Adelaide would die without any heirs (as she did), the same would apply to the next daughter. However, Charlotte didn't technically have succession rights as long as her sister was Grand Duchess. The same applies to Wilhelm's other daughters. Hilda, Antonia, Elisabeth and Sophie and their descendance who do not have a right to Luxembourg's throne. The same applies to the fours sisters of Grand Duke Jean, his two daughters and niece (of the male line). They would only have rights, if no member of the male line (or Princess Alexandra's) was alive.

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If the rules of 1907 were in place, wilhemina would have been grand duchess of Luxembourg as she had no brothers. But under the old rules, there had to be no legitimate male heir alive, and there was, Adolph. Adolph was not even closely related, he was a member of a cadet branch. His closest relation to William III was through his great grandmother who was a daughter of William IV of orange.
Adolph inherited the Luxembourgish throne as he was seventeenth cousin once removed through the Nassau line of Willem III.
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It's a bit more complicated than that. The 1907 law didn't give all of Wilhelm's daughters succession rights per se. It gave Marie-Adelaide and her male heirs succession rights. In the case that Marie-Adelaide would die without any heirs (as she did), the same would apply to the next daughter. However, Charlotte didn't technically have succession rights as long as her sister was Grand Duchess. The same applies to Wilhelm's other daughters. Hilda, Antonia, Elisabeth and Sophie and their descendance who do not have a right to Luxembourg's throne. The same applies to the fours sisters of Grand Duke Jean, his two daughters and niece (of the male line). They would only have rights, if no member of the male line (or Princess Alexandra's) was alive.
Naturally, no person can inherit the throne as long as the heirs who are above them in the line of succession are alive. When I say "succession rights" I am referring to all of the descendants who would in theory have inherited the throne if the heirs in the line of succession before them had died.

Article 1 of the old law of 1907, if I have understood it correctly, meant that all of Princess Marie-Adelheid's legitimate descendants, male and female, who were born in an approved marriage, were above her sisters and their descendants in the line of succession.

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Art. I . — Da Uns ein männlicher Erbe bisher versagt geblieben ist und seit dem Tode Unseres Oheims des Prinzen Nicolas Liebden ohne Hinterlassung successionsfahiger Descendenz der Fürstliche Mannesstamm des Hauses Nassau auf Unseren Augen allein steht, kann der in Artikel 42 des Erbvereins von 1783 gesetzte Fall eintreten und hat alsdann Unsere erstgeborene Tochter Prinzessin Marie-Adelheid und zunächst ihr Mannesstamm, aus gemäss den Familienstatuten Unseres Hauses geschlossener Ehe, nach dem Recht der Erstgeburt,Uns in der Krone Luxemburg, sowie als Chef Unseres Hauses und in Besitz und Nutzniessung des gesamten Hausfideicommisses nachzufolgen, jedoch ist bis zur Vollendung ihres achtzehnten Lebensjahres die Regentschaft und Vormundschaft für sie von Unserer vielgeliebten Gemahlin der Grossherzogin Maria-Anna zu führen.

Sollte Unsere genannte vielgeliebte Tochter ohne Hinterlassung einer Nachkommenschaft aus gemäss den Familienstatuten Unseres Hauses geschlossener Ehe versterben, so sind Unsere andern vielgeliebten Töchter und ihre Linien in gleicher Weise nach Primogenitur-Recht zur Erbfolge berufen.
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