The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Reigning Houses > Grand Ducal Family of Luxembourg

Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #121  
Old 03-06-2006, 04:07 AM
Warren's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 15,427
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo
Shouldn't he come after The Grand Duke because he abdicated?
It is up to the current Grand Duke to determine precedence. If he wishes to honour his father in this manner, so be it.
__________________

__________________
Seeking information? Check out the extensive Royal A-Z
Reply With Quote
  #122  
Old 03-06-2006, 04:19 AM
CrownPrinceLorenzo's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Bensenville, United States
Posts: 229
Hey

Okay, so for example.

If Charles was King, could he put his father on a higher precedence than him?
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #123  
Old 03-06-2006, 10:13 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: , Canada
Posts: 3,220
He could, but that likely wouldn't happen as Prince Philip was not the monarch -- it was his wife who was the head of the monarchy, not him. Prine Philip is merely a consort.

In the case of Luxembourg, Jean was the head of the monarchy and his wife was the consort.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #124  
Old 03-06-2006, 11:23 AM
CrownPrinceLorenzo's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Bensenville, United States
Posts: 229
Alright thanks

Okay thanks.

So if it was Grand Duke Jean's wife that outlived him. She would probably come after The Grand Duke and his wife right?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #125  
Old 03-06-2006, 02:57 PM
MoonlightRhapsody's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Garden Grove, United States
Posts: 934
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo
Okay thanks.

So if it was Grand Duke Jean's wife that outlived him. She would probably come after The Grand Duke and his wife right?
Curious thing, but I think she would still preceed her son, just because she is his mother. I can't be certain, but I think that in England, the Queen Mother was above or at the same level as her daughter up until the day she died. Her daughter did not place her lower than herself. I guess rules are different for the father of the monarch who was the consort of the previous monarch.
__________________
*~* In matters of style, swim with the current. In matters of principle, stand like a rock. *~*
*~* Judge not those who try and fail. Judge those who fail to try. *~*
Sweden's Picture of the Month Represenative
Reply With Quote
  #126  
Old 03-06-2006, 03:58 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: , Canada
Posts: 3,220
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonlightrhapsody
Curious thing, but I think she would still preceed her son, just because she is his mother. I can't be certain, but I think that in England, the Queen Mother was above or at the same level as her daughter up until the day she died. Her daughter did not place her lower than herself. I guess rules are different for the father of the monarch who was the consort of the previous monarch.
No, I don't think Josephine-Charlotte would've preceeded her son had she outlived Jean. The same rule would apply to her as would Phillip in Great Britain.

Being the mother of the monarch has little to do with precedence. Why would being the mother of the monarch mean more than being the father of the monarch (as is the case of Phillip and Charles)?

In the Netherlands, after her abdication in favour of her daughter, Queen Juliana became Princess Juliana to signify her lower rank within the court, so that for some years, the hierarchy went something like this:
Queen Beatrix and Prince Claus
Princess Juliana and Prince Bernhard
Crown Prince Willem
Prince Johan-Friso
Prince Constantijn
Princess Margriet and Mr. Pieter van Vollenhoven
Prince Maurits
Prince Bernhard Jr.
Prince Pieter-Christiaan
Prince Floris

Upon her death, Princess Juliana was called Queen Juliana again to signify her former position in the monarchy.

Within the family Josephine-Charlotte might've had more power than her son, but as far as the monarchy went, Henri (and then his wife) was always the more powerful one and the one who took precedence when it came to court matters.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #127  
Old 03-06-2006, 07:50 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,194
Besides, in Luxembourg women don't have equal rights when it comes to being monarch.
__________________
Hasta la vista, baby!
Reply With Quote
  #128  
Old 03-06-2006, 11:38 PM
moosey60's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: , Canada
Posts: 659
Quote:
Originally Posted by gaggleofcrazypeople
Besides, in Luxembourg women don't have equal rights when it comes to being monarch.
Don't women have no succession rights? I.e. I don't believe Princess Alexandra is in the line of succession at all.

Doesn't it go something like:
1. Guillaume
2. Felix
3. Louis
4. Sebastien

I think Luxembourg should change this...women should have equal rights. It might be an age-long tradition, but they should consider changing it what with it being the 21st century and the encouragement of gender equality. It seems Luxembourg and Japan want to hold onto traditions.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #129  
Old 03-06-2006, 11:47 PM
Oppie's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 537
Liechtenstein is the same.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #130  
Old 03-07-2006, 01:00 AM
suturegeisha's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Fort Mill, United States
Posts: 788
Quote:
Originally Posted by moosey60
Don't women have no succession rights? I.e. I don't believe Princess Alexandra is in the line of succession at all.

Doesn't it go something like:
1. Guillaume
2. Felix
3. Louis
4. Sebastien

I think Luxembourg should change this...women should have equal rights. It might be an age-long tradition, but they should consider changing it what with it being the 21st century and the encouragement of gender equality. It seems Luxembourg and Japan want to hold onto traditions.
Women do have succession rights in Luxembourg, but only after all available male family members have been exhausted.
Current line of succession is:
1] Guillaume
2] Felix
3] Louis
4] Sebastien
5] Guillaume [1963]
6] Paul Louis
7] Leopold
....and from there I am not sure how the succession goes. I don't know if it would revert back to Alexandra [since Jean and his children Marie Gabrielle, Constantin, Wenceslaus and Carl Johan are not in line for the throne] or if it would pass to Marie-Astrid and her children.
__________________
[COLOR="Purple"]What is a wedding? Webster's Dictionary defines a wedding as "The process of removing weeds from one's garden."
--Homer Simpson, giving a lecture on marriage
Reply With Quote
  #131  
Old 03-07-2006, 06:33 AM
lisamaria's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 241
Quote:
Originally Posted by suturegeisha
Women do have succession rights in Luxembourg, but only after all available male family members have been exhausted.
Current line of succession is:
1] Guillaume
2] Felix
3] Louis
4] Sebastien
5] Guillaume [1963]
6] Paul Louis
7] Leopold
....and from there I am not sure how the succession goes. I don't know if it would revert back to Alexandra [since Jean and his children Marie Gabrielle, Constantin, Wenceslaus and Carl Johan are not in line for the throne] or if it would pass to Marie-Astrid and her children.
I think I saw somewhere a line where Alexandra was after Guillaume's youngest son. So it goes so that probably Guillaume's daughter comes after A and M-A and her children after her. But it's merely speculation - CP Guillaume doesn't even ride in the same car or plane with his father, in order to save if something happens to the other. What it does mean though was that if Guillaume and his future wife only got daughters, it would probably be Felix who would succeed him. Gives me headache really to think all that...

-Lisa :o
__________________
"Contrariwise", said Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be, but as it isn't, it 'aint. That's logic."
From "Through the Looking Glass" by Lewis Carroll
Reply With Quote
  #132  
Old 03-07-2006, 06:49 AM
Warren's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 15,427
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonlightrhapsody
I can't be certain, but I think that in England, the Queen Mother was above or at the same level as her daughter up until the day she died. Her daughter did not place her lower than herself.
The female Order of Precedence was The Queen followed by The Queen Mother. A consort could never have precedence over the Sovereign.
__________________
Seeking information? Check out the extensive Royal A-Z
Reply With Quote
  #133  
Old 03-07-2006, 02:49 PM
CrownPrinceLorenzo's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Bensenville, United States
Posts: 229
Quote:
Originally Posted by moosey60
Don't women have no succession rights? I.e. I don't believe Princess Alexandra is in the line of succession at all.

Doesn't it go something like:
1. Guillaume
2. Felix
3. Louis
4. Sebastien

I think Luxembourg should change this...women should have equal rights. It might be an age-long tradition, but they should consider changing it what with it being the 21st century and the encouragement of gender equality. It seems Luxembourg and Japan want to hold onto traditions.
They do, Grand Duke Jean's mom, Grand Duchess Charlotte was the monarch before she abdicated in favor of her son. But as Warren said, the male line has to be completely extinct before the women gets the throne. It's Semi-Salic Law.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #134  
Old 03-07-2006, 05:34 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,194
Quote:
Originally Posted by lisamaria
I think I saw somewhere a line where Alexandra was after Guillaume's youngest son. So it goes so that probably Guillaume's daughter comes after A and M-A and her children after her. But it's merely speculation - CP Guillaume doesn't even ride in the same car or plane with his father, in order to save if something happens to the other. What it does mean though was that if Guillaume and his future wife only got daughters, it would probably be Felix who would succeed him. Gives me headache really to think all that...

-Lisa :o
Your talking about Henri's brother, right? Because otherwise I would really be confused.
__________________
Hasta la vista, baby!
Reply With Quote
  #135  
Old 03-07-2006, 08:17 PM
suturegeisha's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Fort Mill, United States
Posts: 788
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo
They do, Grand Duke Jean's mom, Grand Duchess Charlotte was the monarch before she abdicated in favor of her son. But as Warren said, the male line has to be completely extinct before the women gets the throne. It's Semi-Salic Law.
Actually, I said that.

That's not to discredit Warren, though, I'm just making a point.
__________________
[COLOR="Purple"]What is a wedding? Webster's Dictionary defines a wedding as "The process of removing weeds from one's garden."
--Homer Simpson, giving a lecture on marriage
Reply With Quote
  #136  
Old 03-07-2006, 09:57 PM
CrownPrinceLorenzo's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Bensenville, United States
Posts: 229
I'm sorry I didn't see your post! :(
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #137  
Old 03-07-2006, 10:05 PM
Warren's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 15,427
Quote:
Originally Posted by suturegeisha
Actually, I said that.
That's not to discredit Warren, though, I'm just making a point.
How did I get mixed up in this? . The credit is suturegeisha's. :)
__________________
Seeking information? Check out the extensive Royal A-Z
Reply With Quote
  #138  
Old 03-07-2006, 11:53 PM
suturegeisha's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Fort Mill, United States
Posts: 788
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo
I'm sorry I didn't see your post! :(
No problem.
__________________
[COLOR="Purple"]What is a wedding? Webster's Dictionary defines a wedding as "The process of removing weeds from one's garden."
--Homer Simpson, giving a lecture on marriage
Reply With Quote
  #139  
Old 09-03-2006, 12:05 PM
Salomé's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Genève, Switzerland
Posts: 145
I have a question,where did the Grand Ducal couple met,i know they met at university or something like that,but I want to know more about which univesity,the duke studied there or it was a special event,and does Maria-Theresa came from a wealthy family?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #140  
Old 09-03-2006, 02:04 PM
lisamaria's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 241
Quote:
Originally Posted by Salomé
I have a question,where did the Grand Ducal couple met,i know they met at university or something like that,but I want to know more about which univesity,the duke studied there or it was a special event,and does Maria-Theresa came from a wealthy family?
The stories about how they met vary a bit; according one, they met in the university study group. He was using a false name and his coverstory was that his parents were diplomats or something like that. She learned the truth only after they had dated sometime and dumped him because he had lied to her He chased her around for a long time and then she finally gave in and married him. Other story goes that she was visiting friends in Barcelona, and he was there too; someone asked her to act as his guide to all things mundane, as he was a little helpless due to his status and upbringing. They went later to the same university and continued to date. Third version is that they met in Geneva through mutual friends, while studying there. The last one is probably true. Did you know, by the way, that Henri wanted all his children to go to ordinary schools because he was taught at home and has hence always regretted for not having close friends because of that?

The interesting thing is that I have read articles in which MT has pretty much confirmed each version, so who knows what the reality is

MT's grandfather was a Cuban bankman, and it is said that the reason Henri was allowed to marry her was that she had money of her own. Though how much money, is unclear; her family doesn't strike to me as fabulously rich. MT's parents are dead, but her brother attended the silver anniversary; he was the bald, sort of boxer-looking guy whose wife had big, blond hair.
__________________

__________________
"Contrariwise", said Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be, but as it isn't, it 'aint. That's logic."
From "Through the Looking Glass" by Lewis Carroll
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
General information and questions about Monaco and the Princely Family DuedePhiladelphia Princely Family of Monaco 406 12-11-2014 07:00 AM
General Questions and Information about the Danish Royal Family paulette Royal House of Denmark 137 11-27-2014 07:09 PM
General questions and information about the Imperial Family of Japan sky Imperial Family of Japan 44 09-07-2014 01:44 PM
Websites for the Luxembourg Grand Ducal Family Jacqueline Grand Ducal Family of Luxembourg 37 08-12-2011 04:50 AM




Popular Tags
abdication belgium birth carl philip charlene chris o'neill crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events fashion germany grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta leonor infanta sofia jewellery jordan king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander letizia luxembourg nobility official visit olympics ottoman pregnancy president hollande prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince daniel prince floris prince maurits prince pieter-christiaan princess aimee princess alexia (2005 -) princess anita princess beatrix princess charlene princess claire princess madeleine princess margriet princess marilene princess mary princess mary fashion queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen paola queen silvia royal royal fashion russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit stockholm sweden the hague visit wedding



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:09 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]