The Imperial Family's Dress

[jun5]

I think that the Japanese Imperial Family's the suit and the dress is conservative unlike The European Royals.

Please tell me your opinion about their clothes. Whom should they make a model?

[beebee]

Well, Crown Princess Masako DID just win the Hello! magazine voters award for Best-Dressed Royal Woman... so she can't be that badly dressed!

But I agree with you. I wish they'd update their style too. I understand that they have to look conservative, but they take the image too far. I don't know the culture, so I'm not sure what Masako could get away with, though. Would a skirt that hits above the knee or a slimmer style of blazer be considered unacceptable? I think she'd look much prettier that way. And she should stop wearing shoulder pads!

[jun5]

Originally posted by beebee@Oct 16th, 2003 - 5:20 pm
Well, Crown Princess Masako DID just win the Hello! magazine voters award for Best-Dressed Royal Woman... so she can't be that badly dressed!

But I agree with you.  I wish they'd update their style too.  I understand that they have to look conservative, but they take the image too far.  I don't know the culture, so I'm not sure what Masako could get away with, though.  Would a skirt that hits above the knee or a slimmer style of blazer be considered unacceptable?  I think she'd look much prettier that way.  And she should stop wearing shoulder pads!

Thank you very very much for your reply about this topic! :flower:

Your indication about the Imperial Family's cloyhes is wonderful! It is especially about Crown Princess Masako. shoulder pads! YES, That's right !

[jadmire]

Your indication about the Imperial Family's cloyhes is wonderful! It is especially about Crown Princess Masako. shoulder pads! YES, That's right ! 

For my own part, I'm new to Les Tribunes Royales, but this comment I just had to remark on - with the shoulder pads, it looks as if Crown Princess Masako was raiding Joan Collins' closet. :) In other words, I agree; Masako should lose the pads, even if a wave of '80's nostalgia _is_ going on these days.

The Japanese Imperial Family is provided by the national tax in all their living expenses. If they have the clothes of fashion on, there are people "they are wasting the tax" to them. I think that If they purchase their clothes using the same tax, I will want them to have the clothes of fashion on.

I tend to look at it this way; if their clothing budget is provided by taxpayer funds, I think the ladies of the Imperial Family are obligated to dress in the classiest, most stylish way permissible within the limits of that budget. After all, they're representing the nation. My question to those who whine about "they are wasting the tax" is this: do they REALLY want Japan to look dowdy, frumpish and dull to the rest of the world? Because if they have their way, that's exactly what will happen.

Masako and Kiko does not wearing a hat on official business recently. Their clothes became still more boring for me...  :( 

Oh, I agree. I personally think all women, royal or not, ought to wear hats more often, I really go for a lady in a pretty hat.

I also want the Japanese Imperial Families to have the dress of fashion on like the clothes of the royal family of Europe!  :)

And the pennypinchers and misers, if they don't care for the way Masako and Kiko dress, should just go back to whatever the Japanese equivalent of Form 1040 is and file for tax deductions for people who don't want royals to dress nice. :P :)

-Joe-

[ryo]

One comment for you, jadmire.

The deal is, the people in Japan do pay tax for the royals, no matter if they whine or not. And the royals do spend that money, for the outdated and simple(the keyword of philosophy in Japan was always this, by the way) outfits. And the Japanese are aware of these two points: they are expensive, and outdated.
What I want to say is, the people don't want to look at them in such outfit, but the Imperial Family Household Agency(especially nowadays) does not let them dress cool. This Agency is like a whole ministry, so they make their own decisions and doesn't reflect anybody else's opinion. The royal family must follow what they say, and they cannot choose what the Agency doesn't offer.
And what kind of people are they in this agency? They are the heardheaded seniors(of course there are some younger ones, but still heardheaded anyway).
So unfortunatelly, it impossible to expect a cool fashion going around in the royal family anymore, probably for a long time.

I think in those days when the Empress Michiko was young, the agency did let her dress cool. But back then, Japan was still in the middle of growing its economical power, and everybody wanted everything cool and new, which is to copy the big countries in the West. So did the agency guys. But now that Japan went up to its top and starts to go down a little, the guys are wanting to make things more conservative, to try to go back to those good old days.

This is my interpretation...
ryo

[jadmire]

Originally posted by ryo@Oct 18th, 2003 - 7:45 pm
One comment for you, jadmire.

This Agency is like a whole ministry, so they make their own decisions and doesn't reflect anybody else's opinion. The royal family must follow what they say, and they cannot choose what the Agency doesn't offer.

Just where does the Imperial Household Agency get off, telling the Imperial Family how to dress, anyway? There's something disrespectful if not outright insubordinate about the whole concept, to my way of thinking. It's as if the bureaucracy doesn't trust, for example, Masako and Kiko, who are presumably grown adults and intelligent people (and matrons with young children, to boot) to dress in a dignified and mature way. *fume* I think the Prime Minister ought to put aside cleaning up the loan situation at the banks for a little while and take a big broom to the Imperial Household Agency.

-Joe-

[Azur]

Yes, I think the Japanese RF's dress code is too old fashion, and lack of changes. Masako's fashion advisor should get fired. Because after Aiko was born, Masako's dresses are all very conservative, and dark coloured. She has a nice smile, a brighter colour outfit will change everything.

[almab]

I would like to see Princess Aiko dressed in frillier, more feminine styles. Her little clothes are very severe. And they seem to dress her in a lot of white

[rchainho]

can someone can tell me, which stylist the japanese women in the IRF use? Which are their apenage in the year?

[Thomas Parkman]

The problem really is not about clothes, that is a symptom of the disease. The real villan in all of this is the Imperial Household Agency which needs to be abolished. It was the result of the decision by MacArthur to cut Hirohito down to size and turn the emperor into a puppet. Now such an approach in a constitutional monarchial democracy is just plain ridiculous. It is a part of the Japanese constitutional stucture that the Liberal Democrats who are really neither, need to undertake. Cheers.

[mayu12]

where's the flowing kimono? =>

[Prince of Chota]

In order for the Imperial family not to be anachronistic in their own country, it is important that they remain as conservative in public as possible, as that arena is where the VAST majority of their support comes from.

[Prince of Chota]

And also, I think it is a bit annoying that they continually be compared to the royal families of Europe. Not only is the position of the Imperial family much less stable (especially at the moment), but they have much more symbolic weight on their shoulders, and there are many issues tied up in the very existence of the Fushimi-no-miya. I am hinting, here, at the Yamato connections, the issues of divine right, and that is something which is impossible to relate or compare to the European experience.

But, just for the record, they do need a new imperial stylist.

[Elspeth]

I think Empress Michiko looks elegant when dressed in western clothes, but the younger princesses so often are dressed too old for their age. Kiko tends to look as though she's wearing Jackie Kennedy cast-offs a lot of the time.

[Jacknch]

I've just started to get interested in the Japanese Imperial Family having recently seen the videos posted on other threads and I am definately going through a Japan phase (sorry Denmark!). Anyway, I have only just found this thread.

With regard to the JIF mode of dress, it is like everything else they do, very very modest and conservative. I think the Empress is the epitome of natural elegance and her clothes are very beautiful and fit her tiny frame well. Her choice of colour and motif (especially the kimono sashes) are quite exquisite.