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Old 02-08-2006, 12:09 AM
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Hmm, before the recent news I was confident that the bill would be presented and would pull through with minimal fuss. Now, I'm not so sure. It will all depend on the sex of Prince Akishino's third child. I wish the reform would go through regardless, but if the child is born a boy, chances are the reform will not happen.
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Old 02-08-2006, 07:40 AM
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If the baby will born a boy then the succession law reform probably won't happen soonest, but as we know the spirit to ratify the succession law already there in Japanes society then I do belief that reform will be happened one day.
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Old 02-09-2006, 10:09 AM
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Japan baby could end royal reform

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Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, who had pledged to get the succession law changed by the end of Parliament's current session in June, has turned more cautious.
"It's desirable that the legislation be enacted when everyone can support it," he said on Wednesday, one day after news of Princess Kiko's pregnancy caught Japan by surprise.
His turnaround suggests that he may no longer be willing to take on powerful, conservative forces opposed to female succession.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4693950.stm
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Old 02-09-2006, 09:04 PM
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Koizumi shifting stance on passing female-emperor bill

Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi shifted Wednesday from his adamant stance about swiftly passing legislation to allow females and their descendants to become emperor, saying "caution" is now needed.
A day after the news broke that Princess Kiko is pregnant, Koizumi told a Lower House Budget Committee: "It is desirable for various political parties and the Diet to calmly debate the issue. This is something that should be judged after seeing the results." Koizumi had insisted that the bill to revise the Imperial House Law, which allows only male emperors and ascension through the male lineage, be passed during the current Diet session..........................
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-...602080516.html

Koizumi puts off submission of imperial succession bill
Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi has decided not to submit revisions to the imperial succession law to the Diet during the current session following the news of Princess Kiko's pregnancy, a government source said Friday.
The news, which was reported earlier this week, came as the government was getting closer to submitting a bill to revise the law to pave the way for female monarchs. The current law only allows male heirs on the male line to ascend to the throne.........................
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060210/kyodo/d8fltkf81.html

Koizumi forgoes submitting imperial succession bill to parliament

Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi has withdrawn a plan to submit to parliament revisions to the Imperial House Law during the current session, following the news of Princess Kiko's pregnancy, a government source said Friday. The premier's decision came amid growing calls from lawmakers of his ruling coalition to freeze discussions at least for a while about a revision of the law.......................
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060210/kyodo/d8flur9o0.html

Koizumi puts off proposal to allow woman to take throne
TOKYO (AFP) - Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi has decided not to suport a change that would allow women to take the throne after news of Princess Kiko's pregnancy raised hopes of a male heir, reports say.
Kyodo news agency and major dailies, citing unnamed sources, said that Koizumi had abandoned a plan to submit the controversial proposal during the current parliament session ending in June.
Koizumi told close aide Shinzo Abe on Thursday he would drop his proposal so as not to split the country, the conservative Sankei Shimbun newspaper said...................
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060210...n_060210022334

Gov't likely to delay bill to allow females to ascend to Imperial throne
The top government spokesman suggested Friday that the government will abandon submitting to the current Diet session a bill that would allow female members of the Imperial Family to ascend to the throne following revelations that Princess Kiko is pregnant.....................
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/nation...na023000c.html
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Old 02-10-2006, 03:58 AM
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i don't like this... i think Koizumi or whoever in-charge with the succession law should just go ahead with the proposal for anti-gender law...

Koizumi abandons plan to allow princess to take throne

TOKYO (AFP) - Japan's Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi has abandoned plans to allow a woman to take the throne, reports say, three days after the royal family announced that Princess Kiko is expecting a child.

The royal announcement has raised the possibility of a male heir for the world's oldest monarchy, but Koizumi's U-turn could also save him from a political debacle at the end of his five years in power, analysts said.

Koizumi on Thursday told his close aide Shinzo Abe, a frontrunner to succeed him as premier, that he would drop his proposal on royal succession so as not to split the country, the conservative Sankei Shimbun newspaper said.

Koizumi declined to give a clear-cut answer on succession Friday, saying his party "will hold study meetings to proceed cautiously so as not to make this a tool for political struggle."

Tetsuro Kato, a political science professor at Tokyo's Hitotsubashi University, said he believed Koizumi "has already given up" on his push.

"He may have been able to push ahead if it had not been for the pregnancy news. But the situation has changed amid emerging hopes for maintaining succession by male heirs," he told AFP.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060210/af...cificnews.html
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Old 02-10-2006, 04:23 PM
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Koizumi is showing cowardice. I have lost respect for him.
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Old 02-10-2006, 06:10 PM
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If pushing ahead on the reform would have split the country, it pretty much stands to reason that abandoning it will also split the country. There appear to be people on both sides of this issue. Using Princess Kiko's pregnancy as an excuse to keep the status quo and consign Princess Aiko to the scrapheap of royal history isn't going to please everybody.
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Old 02-10-2006, 06:29 PM
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:-(

Progress rarely does please people in the beginning. It happened with women's rights and then racial rights in America, people were against it but eventually they warmed up.

I think the problem here is that the female population will not stand up and demand their rights. I know that on paper, Japanese women have the same rights as Japanese men, but they're still discriminated by tradition and religion.
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Old 02-10-2006, 11:19 PM
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Koizumi gives up imperial revision
Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi on Friday abandoned plans to submit a bill allowing female emperors to the current Diet session, effectively ending what could be his last major reform project.
"We have decided that we should thoroughly examine the issues concerned, calmly discuss them and recognize the gravity of the issue," Koizumi told reporters Friday. As for the timing of submitting the revision bill, Koizumi said, "We will make a decision at the right moment, and we shouldn't make it a source of political strife."...........................
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If Kiko has a son - and I believe they know it is - I believe Naruhito will step aside and let his brother take his place.
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Old 02-11-2006, 01:12 AM
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If Kiko has a son - and I believe they know it is - I believe Naruhito will step aside and let his brother take his place.
Do you think he'll be pressured to, or will he do it voluntarily? I don't want to see that happen, since it's the position that he's been groomed for his entire life, but that's an excellent point. It would be a more peaceful life for Masako if that happened, surely.
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Old 02-11-2006, 01:24 AM
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If Akishino's third child is a male, I think they should not jump too quickly that it would be Naruhito's heir...What if Princess Masako get pregant again??..Well, there is still a possibility that it would happen..and who knows she might finally bore a son...I do hope that it would really happen.
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If Kiko has a son - and I believe they know it is - I believe Naruhito will step aside and let his brother take his place.
There is no reason for Naruhito to step aside, if the succession law does not change, Akishino will continue to be Naruhito's heir. Therefore after Naruhito is Emperor upon his death Akishino will become Emperor ( Akishino is 5 years younger than Naruhito. Belgium had the same situation with King Baudoiun (sp!) his brother Albert succeeded him and then Albert's son) If the new baby is a boy he will succeed after both Naruhito, and his father Akishino.
Naruhito has been prepared since babyhood to be emperor, one of the reasons given to change the succession laws is that Aiko needs to begin her preparation as soon as possible to become empress if the law changes. Akishino never had this preparation, this would be seen as a stumbling block, if anyone were to be encouraged to step aside it would Akishino, not Naruhito.
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This just in:
Japan PM denies shelving royal succession bill
(AP) Updated: 2006-02-10 14:32

Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi on Friday denied a report that he will shelve a bill that would let women take the country' imperial throne, but he urged cautious discussion of the issue...

...Opponents have even suggested bringing back concubines to help provide male descendants, or reinstating the aristocracy (banned after World War II ) to increase candidates for the throne...
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Old 02-11-2006, 08:42 AM
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ridiculous.. ridiculous...

i honestly hope that Prince Akishino & Princess Kiko will have a baby GIRL,

and when (former Princess) Sayako & Mr. Kuroda have a child, it will be a baby BOY...

hmm....
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Old 02-11-2006, 11:42 AM
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These dinosaurs have a thought process that is completely impenetrable. They're getting their collective knickers in an almighty twist about the appalling prospect of the imperial succession going through a diluted bloodline because a female heir or empress might marry someone who isn't a Japanese prince with a pedigree going right back to God. Yet they seem perfectly happy about a male heir being produced by an out-of-wedlock concubine.
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Old 02-11-2006, 11:43 AM
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ridiculous.. ridiculous...

i honestly hope that Prince Akishino & Princess Kiko will have a baby GIRL,

and when (former Princess) Sayako & Mr. Kuroda have a child, it will be a baby BOY...

hmm....
That really would be poetic justice!
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Well it would certainly give the old guard a run for their money...
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Old 02-11-2006, 03:42 PM
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These dinosaurs have a thought process that is completely impenetrable. They're getting their collective knickers in an almighty twist about the appalling prospect of the imperial succession going through a diluted bloodline because a female heir or empress might marry someone who isn't a Japanese prince with a pedigree going right back to God. Yet they seem perfectly happy about a male heir being produced by an out-of-wedlock concubine.
It's funny too, because they claim the line goes back to the Sun GODDESS. So the line started with a diluted female blood LOL.

Plus I doubt Princess Aiko would marry a foreigner if she's raised by the IHA. I mean none of the Princes married foreigners, and when they married commoners they were Japanese women. The Princesses didn't marry foreigners either, and when they married commoners, they married Japanese men.
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ridiculous.. ridiculous...
I honestly hope that Prince Akishino & Princess Kiko will have a baby GIRL,
and when (former Princess) Sayako & Mr. Kuroda have a child, it will be a baby BOY...
hmm....
That would be a headline made in heaven! And written no less by the female Japanese creationism Goddess Amaterasu
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