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A woman that head of state of an empire is called a Empress and not Emperor.
Next Star said:A woman that head of state of an empire is called a Empress and not Emperor.
Very interesting, thank you charlotte1 . I think CP Naruhito also a good husband and intelligent like his uncle but the problem is He is the future monarch the his position is more "sensitive" than just the monarch's brother. There are more things to limit what the princely couple can do than what Prince and princess Takamatsu used to have .Charlotte1 said:Princess Takamatsu came out publically and stated that she thought Japan should have a female emperor. She stated that in the past Japan had, had female emperors. ( Which is true but they only held the role temporarily until a male sucessor could take over the throne)
Princess Takamatsu was quite elderly and died (2?) years ago. She was the Masako of her generation. In the early 1920's she was sent to the United States and was educated there, much to her displeasure, she was called back to Japan as a marriage had been arranged between her and Emperor Hirohito's youngest brother Prince Takamatsu.( She was the daughter of a Samurai noble so a prime candidate for marriage into the Imperial Family) She didn't want to go back to the rigidity of the Japanese court. But luckily for her Prince Takamatsu was also quite liberal minded and intelligent, both loved jazz music and as both were fluent in English they were sent abroad on various goodwill missions. (There are photos of them the the Japan thread.) The Takamatsu's didn't have children which was not a problem as he was the youngest brother of 4 brothers.
I bit lost when you said that you disagree with something but without quoting anything. Did you refered to my posted above? then in which part you disagree. I think I never said that Japanese won't accept female to throne (if that what you reffered to), but more about the chance of an equal opportunity to ascend throne between female and male (without any condition such as "only if there is no male descendant" etc) .Zonk1189 said:I disagree. I think the Japanese people (from what I read) will accept a female on the throne but only if there is no other option. It will be interesting to see what Kiko has and the ripple affect.
ropura said:May I correctly:
Prince Takamatsu is not the youngest brother,he is the third brother of Emperor Hirohito.
Emperor Hirohito youngest brother is Prince Mikasa,he still a live is and celebrating this year his 90 year birthday.
They call Prince Mikasa the ("' Red Prince"') because he was not agree with his brother Emperor Hirohito at "Second World War II".
ropura
No, again there's a cultural difference here.In western societies the individual is important. ( Think of all those self-help books on focusing on yourself) In English speaking society the individual is so important that the only personal pro-noun with a capital letter is "I". In Japanese society the individual is not important, the collective is. (In speaking Japanese pro-nouns are rarely used.So even in language there's the notion that I, you he she, aren't all that important.) Therefore the traditions and future of the Imperial Family are more important than the individual ( Masako) In everyday life this translates into the company you work for is more important than your family. And this was the basis of Japan's economic miracle. Japanese workers work long hours for their companies, all unpaid overtime. The Japanese language has a word for "death by overwork".Elspeth said:Considering the effect this treatment had on her, and considering that the people concerned presumably were aware of what was happening to her and continued to try to force her into the mould of the "ideal" princess regardless and were left with a mentally damaged person as a result, and considering that this is the second time in two generations it's happened, a case could be made for the notion that cruelty was involved at some level, even if it was the cruelty of not seeing the individual behind the position she was occupying.
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Next Star said:It is must different when comes to royal titles .Okay The Present Emperor's wife such happens to be Empress.Why? cant a female be a heir to the imperial throne and inherit the throne and be named Empress And not Emperor which is a male title.
Charlotte1 said:Japan is a country where female office staff are known as “office flowers” they’re there to brighten up the place. .
caster51 said:at first ,sorry my poor english
that is ,japan become a new dynasty of aiko's husband in male line though Imperial household is kept
it ends a dynasty of 2000 years in japan
they have to meet and discuss in their family with including all decendants in male line.
Next Star said:I know about all royal and noble titles Jo Of Palatine thanks for pointing out again and I feel that members of the Japense royal family should be heirs and the rights should equal. A female heir deserves a female title period.It's true what you said when your were speaking to Caster51 about europe being different with their titles.
It is nice to have someone from Japan to share discuss about this Japanese Imperial issue.I understand if Aiko marries a noble man (from male line descendant) then people might not see any problem with their child to ascend the throne in the future. But if she has to marries some one I hope the marriage will bring them a real happiness, not only to produce "a blue blood line" heir (as I understood so far In Japanese culture female can not passes her "blue blood line" to her children if she marries a commoner, correct me if I wrong about it ).caster51 said:700 years ago, It divided into two emperors(south and north Imperial Courts ).
former 5 imperial families are from Northern imperial Courts
Hirohito,aiko... Southern imperial Courts
if aiko marries one of kids of Northern imperial Courts
I think it might be wonderful
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanboku-cho
Jo of Palatine said:I would be very careful with such absolutistic statements. We learned here in this forum that the Japanese language doesn't have a word for the female head of state in their empire. They used the male word "Tenno" for their (few) female rulers. Thus, I guess, the correct translation of the word used for a future female ruler of Japan would be "emperor" and not empress, as it signals the meaning of the original word.
Just like in the US, where there is only Mr. President (and in a potential future Mrs. president) but not Mrs. Presidentress.
Lillia said:Good points, all of them, but I believe the term would be "Madame President" rather than 'Mrs. President', but maybe it's just a matter of semantics, I don't know.
Emily said:Caster 51, welcome and thank you for your input. I have some questions -- do many of your peers talk about the succession issue? Do they support Aiko becoming the female Emperor? Does the younger generation maintain the importance of continuing the tradition of male emperor or is there more support for a female? Also, do many Japanese talk about Masako and what has happened to her? Are they sympathetic to her? What is the perception of Naruhito? How does opinion of Naruhito/Masako compare with Akishino/Kiko? Also, do commoners place more emphasis on their paternal ancestors vs. their maternal?
...as an aside...heartfelt thanks to all. I am immensely enjoying reading these posts and learning and learning. A great discussion!
The thing is this... A boy inherits his father's Y-chromosome, while both boys and girls inherit an X-chromosome from their mother and a girl would also inherit an X from her father. But a girl inherits her mother's... mitochondry? Sorry, I don't know the English word, but it's something in your cells. You can follow a male's male line back centuries through his X-chromosome, and a female's female line can be followed back centuries through her mitochondry (?). So you can get information about where a man's father's father's father's father came from and where a woman's mother's mother's mother's mother came from. If the imperial line of Japan has been unbroken on the male side for centuries, the emperor and his sons should have the same Y-chromosome as their ancestors who were emperor many centuries ago. So even if you can be right about it going back to the belief of the woman only being a weasel, where the baby grew, this makes scientifical sense. But then, people also always knew, that the mother was important for breeding, way before the discovery of the woman egg. People always knew a child look like its mother or like its father. So people must have though in two different ways. I'm confused now.Elspeth said:This focus on the Y chromosome seems to hark back to a prescientific age when heredity was thought to go just through the male line and women were simply incubators of the man's child. These days scientists know that genes are transmitted from both parents; since they've included genetics professors in the panels of experts being consulted about the succession issue, they have to know that imperial chromosomes are transmitted through the mother as well as the father. The way they're now focussing on the Y chromosome seems to be by way of being an excuse. One chromosome by itself isn't much use to anyone.
Yes ,we do. however many of us dont notice the defference between female emperor and a emperor in female line yet.do many of your peers talk about the succession issue?
I would support her if next aiko is a succession in male lineDo they support Aiko becoming the female Emperor?
I dont know.Does the younger generation maintain the importance of continuing the tradition of male emperor or is there more support for a female?
I dont hope only for Masako's line.Also, do many Japanese talk about Masako and what has happened to her? Are they sympathetic to her? What is the perception of Naruhito? How does opinion of Naruhito/Masako compare with Akishino/Kiko? Also, do commoners place more emphasis on their paternal ancestors vs. their maternal?
that is, Japanese origine is Amateras and its male in line,. of course myth is a myth.even Before edo era, Emperor did not have power.
why were many shougun nominated by Emperor.?
shogun was a king
however shogun was also a servant of Emperor nominaly
It is not possible to become a shogun without the emperor's approval like today.
however
for example. Meiji Restoration occurred because there was an emperor.
he has "real power" because He has a powerless.
even after war, if there was no emperor, japan would become like iraq
Furienna said:The thing is this... A boy inherits his father's Y-chromosome, while both boys and girls inherit an X-chromosome from their mother and a girl would also inherit an X from her father. But a girl inherits her mother's... mitochondry? Sorry, I don't know the English word, but it's something in your cells. You can follow a male's male line back centuries through his X-chromosome, and a female's female line can be followed back centuries through her mitochondry (?). So you can get information about where a man's father's father's father's father came from and where a woman's mother's mother's mother's mother came from. If the imperial line of Japan has been unbroken on the male side for centuries, the emperor and his sons should have the same Y-chromosome as their ancestors who were emperor many centuries ago. So even if you can be right about it going back to the belief of the woman only being a weasel, where the baby grew, this makes scientifical sense. But then, people also always knew, that the mother was important for breeding, way before the discovery of the woman egg. People always knew a child look like its mother or like its father. So people must have though in two different ways. I'm confused now.