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Old 12-13-2005, 04:18 AM
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Hotdog,

You are so right and I agree with you. Mary has had to put up a lot with the media to be with Fred. Perhaps in time to come books will only be written about her to commemorate special occasions like the 10th wedding anniversary,etc. Hopefully then she will be interviewed (like her mother-in-law was for recent books published about her) and it will be absolutely the truth.

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Old 12-13-2005, 07:32 AM
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Thanks for the preview, hotdog! :)!
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Old 12-13-2005, 09:17 PM
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So, the book is more in the lines of exploring how the media has reacted and used this new character in the celebrity horizon, Princess Mary, more than a more biographical project?
Well, is seems interesting still. Like when you point the camera the other way. From your description is looks like the book explores the people who follow the people who are in the news.

But a book can mean diferent things for diferent people. We will have to wait for QM II to get that Christmas gift :) and gives us a review from his point of view.

Has anyone in Denmark heard about this new book in the Danish language Mary news?
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Here is an extract from the full review of "Something About Mary"
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http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php/...olery-rampant/

Tomfoolery rampant

BRENDA STJERNE:

Denied access to Mary, her relatives, her friends, and the Danish court With nil results.

However, if you want to find out the toileting arrangements of the private investigator parked in a car 24/7 outside Mary’s terrace in Bondi Junction, then read the book.

Tom’s hissy fit

Faced with unrelenting royal rectitude and thrown back on her own resources, Ms Tom goes in for a distinctly vulgar vocabulary, no doubt to impress that she is just as good as, if not better than her quarry.

Take The Slip Inn, the pub where Fred met Mary, for example. Why stick to three words when for an extra 78 of them you can write an excrutiatingly detailed exposition on the Sydney watering spot’s sexually ambivalent name?

Or elaborate on how you think a speculum designated for royal duty might be decorated. Emma favours gilt-edged, and latex gloves with red velvet trim. Nothing, of course, to do with Mary whatsoever, but revealing a literary dexterity that’s sorta awesome in its own way.

Mis-aimed potshots
Ms Tom also manages to get in the word ‘fart’ in several instances, again a word not usually associated with royal circles, though I once heard Gough Whitlam describe such a scene with his usual urbanity and wit, and without once resorting to the f-word.

She does admire the bridal gown, ... But she still attempts to make the outfit sound salacious — ‘erotic and vaginal’ are her words and that, dear reader, was just for the sleeves.


More Mary …
There is a better book to look for, Mary, Crown Pincess of Denmark, by a trio of Danes. It’s got some interesting background, is neither gratuitously nasty nor a rave-up, and has terrific pics. So frog kissers, for more details turn to another look at Mary here.

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I've heard so many things about this book by Emma Tom. Some people like it while others think it's a load of fluff.

The interesting thing about the S.A.M. book, is that the author trolled around various messageboards to gather a majority of her information that seems to have guided or rather influenced the book (which is very strange and quite lazy research if you ask me.) According to members of another royal board, Ms. Tom was in daily contact with the owner of a specific royal board, in which they exchanged heresay as well as biased opinions. To make things worse, the transcripts between the two were posted. From the beginning, I believe Ms.Tom had a specific agenda against Mary. Is this fair? I my opinion the answer would be, no. You be the judge of this book. For some it's a fun read while others may disagree.

It seems a tad too soon to write a book about Mary. Maybe ten years from now an full circle, well-researched, detailed analysis of her life would make a better read (by a more talented and objective author) for royal watchers.

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I hope my post made sense to everyone for I am writing it at lightening speed.
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Old 12-15-2005, 10:40 PM
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I have to say, not on the book but on the picture, Mary does look spectacular in that ravishing red gown.
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:58 AM
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I do not see where is the point to make books, unless to watch some photos, how she was before and how she is now.
End even for that, every girl, with the age's maturity, and also with the money and all the specialist's help improves her appearance why it should be bad ?? Remember Diana on her early days and after......
Mary's story it's a nice fairy tale, but what about Letizia, Maxima, Ranja, Mette Marit, and Lala Salma?? From the actual young CP, the only one close to the Monarchy was Mathilde, she was aristocrat. All the others were with the same profile, commoners, not from a rich family, normal working girls, no one of them having a stunning inforgettable beauty, average people (and I dont want to talk about Mette Marit, really not having the profile for this "job"). And it happened to all of them.
So what's the purpose of making a mess for Mary??? She is nice, she managed to well handle her role, Frederic loves her, it's so nice. Why giving poison ?????

When you see Mary, born a commun tasmanian girl, having all this style and elegance !, and on the other side, the Princess Royal (Anne), born Royal being like she is..., the chock it's obvious ! May be somebody should write a book about born royals but being so....
The purpose of this book is to make money by making average girls dream, that it could also happen to them
It's not impossible, gilrs have just to wait for the next generation of CPrinces to grow,

or to catch Prince Albert
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Old 12-29-2005, 07:15 AM
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I do not see where is the point to make books, unless to watch some photos, how she was before and how she is now.
End even for that, every girl, with the age's maturity, and also with the money and all the specialist's help improves her appearance why it should be bad ?? Remember Diana on her early days and after......
Mary's story it's a nice fairy tale, but what about Letizia, Maxima, Ranja, Mette Marit, and Lala Salma?? From the actual young CP, the only one close to the Monarchy was Mathilde, she was aristocrat. All the others were with the same profile, commoners, not from a rich family, normal working girls, no one of them having a stunning inforgettable beauty, average people (and I dont want to talk about Mette Marit, really not having the profile for this "job"). And it happened to all of them.
So what's the purpose of making a mess for Mary??? She is nice, she managed to well handle her role, Frederic loves her, it's so nice. Why giving poison ?????
When you see Mary, born a commun tasmanian girl, having all this style and elegance !, and on the other side, the Princess Royal (Anne), born Royal, the chock it's obvious ! May be somebody should write a book about born royals bit being so....
The purpose of this book is to make money by making average girls dream, that it could also happen to them
It's not impossible, we have just wait for the next generation of CPrinces to grow,
or to catch Prince Albert
I think the reason Mary is sort of "picked" on is the how obviously different she is with becoming CPrincess, not only in her looks, but in her manner, she is trying so hard to be more Royal than royalty, whilst the other Crown Princesses, (even Camilla) have improved considerably their looks, but really stay the same person, and are very personable. Looking Ar mary from the outside, it seems to me thatshe is aloof.
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Old 12-29-2005, 07:25 AM
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I think the reason Mary is sort of "picked" on is the how obviously different she is with becoming CPrincess, not only in her looks, but in her manner, she is trying so hard to be more Royal than royalty, whilst the other Crown Princesses, (even Camilla) have improved considerably their looks, but really stay the same person, and are very personable. Looking Ar mary from the outside, it seems to me thatshe is aloof.
Ahhh, very interesting point, so she is considered to become "snobbish". Maybe
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Old 12-29-2005, 08:33 AM
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Ahhh, very interesting point, so she is considered to become "snobbish". Maybe
I don't know if she is considered snobbish, but it seems that she is a perfectionist in what the public perceives her and tries too hard and is not natrual enough.
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Old 12-29-2005, 08:58 AM
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I don't know if she is considered snobbish, but it seems that she is a perfectionist in what the public perceives her and tries too hard and is not natrual enough.
I do not see any bad point! She respects her people and she tries to honour her position. I remember when they presented their baby, first leaving the hospital and later in their home-palace entrance, after a while Frederik moved to go into the house, and Mary asked him to stay more outside because all these people came there to see them. It's really the opposite than Mette-Marit, I've read that when she gave birth to Ingrid, and she was about to leave the hospital, all press and people were awaiting to see the baby in the hospital entrance, but MM escape from the back door, and she did not present the baby, only much much later, in their home ! I think also for Sverre, she did not present out of the hospital, as Mary and Letizia did!
For me it's not considering your people , Norwegians were very angry.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:55 AM
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I do not see any bad point! She respects her people and she tries to honour her position. I remember when they presented their baby, first leaving the hospital and later in their home-palace entrance, after a while Frederik moved to go into the house, and Mary asked him to stay more outside because all these people came there to see them. It's really the opposite than Mette-Marit, I've read that when she gave birth to Ingrid, and she was about to leave the hospital, all press and people were awaiting to see the baby in the hospital entrance, but MM escape from the back door, and she did not present the baby, only much much later, in their home ! I think also for Sverre, she did not present out of the hospital, as Mary and Letizia did!
For me it's not considering your people , Norwegians were very angry.
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H'mm I see your point about MM, but from a humane and psycological point of view, someone who always tries to be perfect, just shows a lack of something, that something isn't quite right. I just looked at pictures of Felipe and Letizia driving to their Christmas vacation, Letiza was sitting in the back with not a trace of makeuo, hair obviously not done, it was so warming to see her normal. Mary even had her makeup and hairdone when leaving the hospital after birth, everything seems to be a show, you have to admit, it's abit more than just making her country a service!
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I do not see any bad point! She respects her people and she tries to honour her position. I remember when they presented their baby, first leaving the hospital and later in their home-palace entrance, after a while Frederik moved to go into the house, and Mary asked him to stay more outside because all these people came there to see them. It's really the opposite than Mette-Marit, I've read that when she gave birth to Ingrid, and she was about to leave the hospital, all press and people were awaiting to see the baby in the hospital entrance, but MM escape from the back door, and she did not present the baby, only much much later, in their home ! I think also for Sverre, she did not present out of the hospital, as Mary and Letizia did!
For me it's not considering your people , Norwegians were very angry.
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It's also the protocol of the different royal houses -- it might not have just been Mette-Marit.

The Norwegian (as does the Dutch royal house) do not have a habit of showing their newborns until a day or two afterwards. The proud new fathers attend a (formal) press conference and release a few pictures of the newborn baby. But the baby does not get presented "live" and with the new mom until a few days later, when everyone is back at home.

The Danish, Belgian, and Spanish royal courts do not release a picture of the newborn baby immediately after the birth, rather everyone gets to see the baby (and the mom) when they all leave the hospital and there is a big "informal" photosession.

So the incident with Mette-Marit might not have been her choice at all. Furthermore, even if it were, I would absolutely have sympathy for her. Mette-Marit left the hospital only a few hours after she gave birth, while Mary and Letizia left the hospital a few days after giving birth. If I had just given birth and had all sorts of things happen to my body, I would be tired and not wanting to face the country's media either, makeup person or not. Imagine having to put on a smile and wave and stare at all those flashing cameras and answer questions when all you want to do is to sleep.
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H'mm I see your point about MM, but from a humane and psycological point of view, someone who always tries to be perfect, just shows a lack of something, that something isn't quite right. I just looked at pictures of Felipe and Letizia driving to their Christmas vacation, Letiza was sitting in the back with not a trace of makeuo, hair obviously not done, it was so warming to see her normal. Mary even had her makeup and hairdone when leaving the hospital after birth, everything seems to be a show, you have to admit, it's abit more than just making her country a service!
Nevertheless, Letizia also when leaving the hospital, she had a nice makeup, hair well done, and even wearing some jewelery, this is not bad, it touching and human, every of us wishes to show our best image.
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H'mm I see your point about MM, but from a humane and psycological point of view, someone who always tries to be perfect, just shows a lack of something, that something isn't quite right. I just looked at pictures of Felipe and Letizia driving to their Christmas vacation, Letiza was sitting in the back with not a trace of makeuo, hair obviously not done, it was so warming to see her normal. Mary even had her makeup and hairdone when leaving the hospital after birth, everything seems to be a show, you have to admit, it's abit more than just making her country a service!
I don't know any women who would leave the hospital after having their baby without trying to look their very best - especially someone in the public eye. A woman's body going out of control with a bunch of strangers in the room is not an event to make a woman feel beautiful. And as noted, I don't even think Letizia braved that.

I must have missed the 'show' Mary gave after the birth though I watched all the videos. She kept walking to the exit and looking at her baby while she was talking to reporters. It was a pretty low key event - as low key as you could be with that crowd of reporters. A birth of an heir is never going to be that low profile.

But after only getting a few shots of den nye lille prins after the birth and one Christmas card before the christening in January, I was glad we were treated to what we got when the baby left the hospital. If Mary had snuck out the back door, I would have been upset.
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And one thing about perfectionism. Of all the Crown Princesses, Letizia seems to me to be the most perfectionist. Since her marriage, she has been very careful not to make a mistake and I respect that. She married into perhaps the most tradition-bound monarchy outside of Britain and the care she took showed respect for the position and her country. She also was a star reporter for CNN where if you make a mistake on-air you don't last long. She made the appropriate choice for being a member of the SRF.

Mary comes from a PR background where image is important and she married into the DRF which IMHO has the most elegant and theatrical image of all the royal houses. Queen Margrethe certainly knows how to exude a very regal presence. Although in some ways they are down-to-earth, creating a certain image seems to be important to them. And as a royal watcher who only gets to see the images, I appreciate the care they take to give that certain image. I'm not a fan of royalty who tries to look like the girl next door.

Mary with her unusual looks and presence seems to fit right in with the DRF.
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And one thing about perfectionism. Of all the Crown Princesses, Letizia seems to me to be the most perfectionist. Since her marriage, she has been very careful not to make a mistake and I respect that. She married into perhaps the most tradition-bound monarchy outside of Britain and the care she took showed respect for the position and her country. She also was a star reporter for CNN where if you make a mistake on-air you don't last long. She made the appropriate choice for being a member of the SRF.
Yes. We should not forget that Letizia's wedding announcement surprized EVERYONE, even IMO her family. Have a look to the relative thread at this time. http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ment-1161.html
After the first shock, the whole world was awaiting her to watch her and to blame any mistake she could do.

But she managed everything perfectly, it means that she is able and perfectionnist, and this is honour of her. She took a task very very heavy towards the people and also towards Felipe who trusted her and brought her in this position against all. Thanks to Letizia's behavior Felipe showed to everybody that he was right to choose her. For a girl coming from a completely other "planet" that Felipe's environnement this result can be obtained only by being extremely carefull and restless and she managed it:)

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Mary comes from a PR background where image is important and she married into the DRF which IMHO has the most elegant and theatrical image of all the royal houses. Queen Margrethe certainly knows how to exude a very regal presence. Although in some ways they are down-to-earth, creating a certain image seems to be important to them. And as a royal watcher who only gets to see the images, I appreciate the care they take to give that certain image. I'm not a fan of royalty who tries to look like the girl next door.

Mary with her unusual looks and presence seems to fit right in with the DRF.
Mary arrived already quite accepted by people and the DRF, her task was quite easier, but she still keep's trying hardly. IMO she is more sure of her charm, she looks like being at the stage when she knows that she is already the DIVA

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I'm not a fan of royalty who tries to look like the girl next door.
Very right, people need to dream with their royals, not to see them looking worst than them.
Both Mary and Letizia seems to realize people's wishes and they "play the game" very gracefull:)
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I hear what all of you are saying, but I still feel, and have read many quotes in TRF that people feel that she isn't natrual or friednsly enough and people complain that she is too model like with the designer clothes etc. I feel that she looks fantastic, and after all this time it is evident that she and Freddie are in love,but should loosen up a bit, esp. as the DRF are known for being friendly and humane to us common folks.
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The one thing I've learned by reading all of these internet message boards about the various crown princesses...is that regardless of what they do..they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The crown princesses are developing their own roles to suit their individual personalities and their respective monarchies and IMO, they are all assets to their husbands and monarchies!
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The one thing I've learned by reading all of these internet message boards about the various crown princesses...is that regardless of what they do..they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The crown princesses are developing their own roles to suit their individual personalities and their respective monarchies and IMO, they are all assets to their husbands and monarchies!

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