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Does anyone know if this book covers the activities and sympathies of the Duke of Windsor?

Any truth to speculation that his abdication was also due to his Nazi sympathies?
Hi milady! :)
As far as I recall the book does not mention the Duke of Windsor.
As to speculations about his abdication, well, there are many (though not in this book) but which would be the correct thread to talk about that?
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PS. Well Lady Bluffton, if you want to discuss the reasons for the Duke's abdication, I'll meet you there, at the thread Warren pointed out.
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As far as I recall the book does not mention the Duke of Windsor.
As to speculations about his abdication, well, there are many...but which would be the correct thread to talk about that?
How about this one: Duke and Duchess of Windsor thread.
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Old 03-20-2006, 03:48 AM
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Thank you so much!
Where did you find it? It must have been quiet for some time because I never saw it!
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Old 03-20-2006, 03:59 AM
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Warren's a moderator at the British forum. Knowing where to find obscure threads is part of the skill set!
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Old 03-20-2006, 04:09 AM
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Thank you so much!
Where did you find it? It must have been quiet for some time because I never saw it! Cheers!:) Martin
On the first page of every Forum is a Threads in Forum listing. This is the table of contents where many topics lie dormant, waiting to be brought to life every so often.
As an example, here is page 1 (of 15) from the British Forums Threads in Forum list.
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:28 PM
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I got the book from Amazon.com but haven't even opened up the box yet. I've been so busy going to college basketball games. In the States its referred to as March Madness!

Anyhoo...I'm going to my last game tonight and plan to open up my box this weekend.
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Old 03-20-2006, 01:29 PM
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There is another book about a British Family and the Third Reich and a personal relationship with Hitler. All the five daughters were involved with socialism or communism. They were part of the upper class and I believe the mother was a lady. It's been so long since I read the book. I wish I could remember the name. Maybe someone else knows it. The reason I recommend it in this thread is many of you have discussed support of Nazi's and why and how. This book spends much time covering why the sisters believed the Nazi's were doing good and some of the "ideals" they had and how some were so easily sucked into that sphere. It did say in the book that in Britian in the early days of the Nazi party a lot of people supported them. Thinking they were going to do good for the masses. Then things changed and people tried to distance themselves very quickly. I will try and find the name of the book on Amazon or Barnes and Noble. I think if you like this topic it might be a good primer on why people believed or choose to believe what they did.
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Okay, found it. The family it the Mitford family. The book was called "The Sisters: The saga of the Mitford family" by Lovell. I will warn you the first 100 pages are a bit of a bore as they give the background on the family. But once the girls come of age it starts to pick up. The climatic parts are about them and the third reich, then the book picks up to follow their lives since. It's the kind of book you read and think after your done these young women were so stupid they wasted their promising lives. But I guess that is the message of the book too. These women had everything and just threw it all away. Interesting book b/c it details an intimate relationship w/ the third reich and Hitler himself. The authors talked with many people, including family and looked at correspondence etc. Worth a read if you are trying to understand the people of the time. It may help explain why some "royals" and others were so supportive of what we know was evil. It won't justify but it will explain.
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There is another book about a British Family and the Third Reich and a personal relationship with Hitler. All the five daughters were involved with socialism or communism.
Not all the Mitford daughters; one became the Duchess of Devonshire!
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Nancy Mitford did not have any extreem views as far as I know and think the "socialist" sister was actually a communist
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...232396-1290846

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"Royals and the Reich: the Princes von Hessen in Nazi Germany."
Hello everybody!
Sorry to come back to this topic but could someone who has read the book tell me more about who these two princes were? (BTW, Martin's away so he couldn't tell me :( )
The only Prince Phillipp von Hessen-Cassel I could find was born in the 16thC!!!
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Old 03-22-2006, 07:05 AM
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Hello everybody!
Sorry to come back to this topic but could someone tell me more about who these two princes were? The only Prince Phillipp von Hessen-Cassel I could find was born in the 16thC!!!
Princes Philipp and Christoph of Hesse were sons of Friedrich Karl, the Landgrave of Hesse (-Cassel) who married a daughter of Queen Victoria's daughter Vicky (Empress Frederick).

• Christoph (1901- killed in action 1943) was married to Princess Sophie of Greece, a sister of the current Duke of Edinburgh.

• Philipp (1896-1980) became Landgrave of Hesse and Head of All the House of Hesse. He was married to Princess Mafalda, a daughter of King Vittorio Emanuele III of Italy.

Of the two Princes, Albert Speer only mentions Philipp in his book 'Inside the Third Reich': "He was one of the few followers whom Hitler always treated with deference and respect. Philipp had often been useful to him, and especially in the early years of the Third Reich had arranged contacts with the heads of Italian Fascism. In addition he had helped Hitler purchase valuable art works [in Italy]."

In 1943 Prince Philipp was invited to Hitler's Headquarters where he was placed under house arrest, and then he and Princess Mafalda were taken to Buchenwald (where she died in 1944). Speer suggests Philipp was arrested in revenge for the fall of Mussolini, as an example to his inner circle that no-one was "safe", and because Hitler suspected Philipp was leaking information to the Italians.
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Nancy Mitford did not have any extreem views as far as I know and think the "socialist" sister was actually a communist
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...232396-1290846
Diana Mitford, married the leader of the British Union of Fascists, Oswald Mosley.
There seems to be very little mention of Pamela's political 'bent'.
Unity Mitfordwent to Nazi Germany and idolized Adolf Hitler, she attempted suicide at the start of the war.
Jessica Mitford was an Anti-Fascist activist.
Deborah was the youngest Mitford girl and she married Andrew Cavendish, who became the Duke of Devonshire.
It was reported that Nancy actually reported Diana to the authorities.
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Jessica, a vocal Communist, eloped with a notorious cousin who was also a nephew of Winston Churchill;

(from amazon.com)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/039...lance&n=283155

this is a great serie, shows haow nancy mitford modeled the characters in the radlett family on her own
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0278548/

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Diana Mitford, married the leader of the British Union of Fascists, Oswald Mosley.
There seems to be very little mention of Pamela's political 'bent'.
Unity Mitfordwent to Nazi Germany and idolized Adolf Hitler, she attempted suicide at the start of the war.
Jessica Mitford was an Anti-Fascist activist.
Deborah was the youngest Mitford girl and she married Andrew Cavendish, who became the Duke of Devonshire.
It was reported that Nancy actually reported Diana to the authorities.
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Jessica, a vocal Communist, eloped with a notorious cousin who was also a nephew of Winston Churchill;

(from amazon.com)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/039...lance&n=283155

this is a great series, shows how nancy mitford modeled the characters in the radlett family on her own
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0278548/
Esmond Romilly, was Winston Churchill's 19-year-old "red" nephew who had run away from school to join the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War. Throughout their time together, they shared a passionate commitment to communism. The anti fascists were against the nazi's whilst embracing communism.

They look like good books.:)
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Beside the books that have been mentioned here already, do any of you know of any other titles that my be out there to educate myself on this subject. As I mentioned earlier, I have chosen to remain blissfully ignorant all these years, but now this subject intrigues me, mainly because I'm finally seeing a different side of Nazi Germany than those that have been painted and told all these years. Not to mention that I never knew that any of the RF's had anything to do with it. The only thing I really know is about the Jews and how and why they got to the concentration camps and what became of them once they got there.
Any suggestions are welcome, and I'm sorry if I offend anyone by asking. Please keep in mind that I basically know nothing of this subject, so it would really need to be a basic primer so that I can understand the whom what, when, when, where, and why of things before I move on to others that have been mentioned.
Thank you in advance.
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think this thread shows that the royals were not in a specific way involved with the nazi's, not more so than other levels of society.
do not understand why anyone would be offended by your asking, I suggest you go to a library.

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Beside the books that have been mentioned here already, do any of you know of any other titles that my be out there to educate myself on this subject. As I mentioned earlier, I have chosen to remain blissfully ignorant all these years, but now this subject intrigues me, mainly because I'm finally seeing a different side of Nazi Germany than those that have been painted and told all these years. Not to mention that I never knew that any of the RF's had anything to do with it. The only thing I really know is about the Jews and how and why they got to the concentration camps and what became of them once they got there.
Any suggestions are welcome, and I'm sorry if I offend anyone by asking. Please keep in mind that I basically know nothing of this subject, so it would really need to be a basic primer so that I can understand the whom what, when, when, where, and why of things before I move on to others that have been mentioned.
Thank you in advance.
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Princes Philipp and Christoph of Hesse were sons of Friedrich Karl, the Landgrave of Hesse (-Cassel) who married a daughter of Queen Victoria's daughter Vicky (Empress Frederick).

Christoph (1901- killed in action 1943) was married to Princess Sophie of Greece, a sister of the current Duke of Edinburgh.

Philipp (1896-1980) became Landgrave of Hesse and Head of All the House of Hesse. He was married to Princess Mafalda, a daughter of King Vittorio Emanuele III of Italy.

Of the two Princes, Albert Speer only mentions Philipp in his book 'Inside the Third Reich': "He was one of the few followers whom Hitler always treated with deference and respect. Philipp had often been useful to him, and especially in the early years of the Third Reich had arranged contacts with the heads of Italian Fascism. In addition he had helped Hitler purchase valuable art works [in Italy]."

In 1943 Prince Philipp was invited to Hitler's Headquarters where he was placed under house arrest, and then he and Princess Mafalda were taken to Buchenwald (where she died in 1944). Speer suggests Philipp was arrested in revenge for the fall of Mussolini, as an example to his inner circle that no-one was "safe", and because Hitler suspected Philipp was leaking information to the Italians.
Hi Warren!
Thank you for the info. I think there was more in the title than in the book. Maybe the writer was trying to achieve rapid fame.
Have you read the book? What do you think about it? Is it objective, fair, etc.?
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Beside the books that have been mentioned here already, do any of you know of any other titles that my be out there to educate myself on this subject. As I mentioned earlier, I have chosen to remain blissfully ignorant all these years, but now this subject intrigues me, mainly because I'm finally seeing a different side of Nazi Germany than those that have been painted and told all these years. Not to mention that I never knew that any of the RF's had anything to do with it. The only thing I really know is about the Jews and how and why they got to the concentration camps and what became of them once they got there.
Any suggestions are welcome, and I'm sorry if I offend anyone by asking. Please keep in mind that I basically know nothing of this subject, so it would really need to be a basic primer so that I can understand the whom what, when, when, where, and why of things before I move on to others that have been mentioned.
Thank you in advance.
Hi sesa!
I learnt a lot from plain History books we read at school, for example. They give you a lot of background knowledge which then you can enlarge reading more specific books. I think that when someone promises a "new documented version of 'so and so' and the Reich", for example, there's nothing new in it and as for 'documented', hmmmm ... And probably the 'so and so' is either unknown or of little or no importance.
One book I recommend to you is Churchill's biography published by his personal doctor, Lord Moran. I found it very interesting.
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Beside the books that have been mentioned here already, do any of you know of any other titles that my be out there to educate myself on this subject. As I mentioned earlier, I have chosen to remain blissfully ignorant all these years, but now this subject intrigues me, mainly because I'm finally seeing a different side of Nazi Germany than those that have been painted and told all these years. Not to mention that I never knew that any of the RF's had anything to do with it. The only thing I really know is about the Jews and how and why they got to the concentration camps and what became of them once they got there.
Any suggestions are welcome, and I'm sorry if I offend anyone by asking. Please keep in mind that I basically know nothing of this subject, so it would really need to be a basic primer so that I can understand the whom what, when, when, where, and why of things before I move on to others that have been mentioned.
Thank you in advance.
I've found the Berlin Diary to be a fascinating book of the day-to-day life of an aristocrat in Nazi Germany. It was written by Missie Vassiltchikova, a Russian who was working in the German Foreign Office and was associated with many who were in the plot to assassinate Hitler. Since this is her actual diary from the time, its a pretty accurate portrayal of at least what one person was thinking during the war.
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