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Old 09-07-2010, 09:35 PM
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An Agnostic is someone who questions the existance of God (not the same as an atheist who doesn't believe in God or a Supreme Being). An ex-boyfriend of mine was agnostic. Since we live in an area of the country that is in the Bible Belt, this is not something you would proclaim and not be challenged on it.

I have a different belief system that my ex-boyfriend does.(I believe in God, in a Supreme Being). To each his own.

Did Letizia ever say that she was agnostic? I'm sure if she said this, it would be all over the newspapers and everywhere else. Could it be that she may have questioned something in regard to religion or religious beliefs and someone took this to mean that she was agnostic? This would not make you agnostic but some people might think so.
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Old 09-07-2010, 09:49 PM
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I cant wait until she sues that Italian tv show for Slander! Then people wonder why she says she doesn't miss her job in journalism.
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Old 09-07-2010, 10:11 PM
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If this author has cobbled together, a book based on internet gossip, then HE should be ashamed. I hope Leti does sue his butt off!! It's just wrong.
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Old 09-07-2010, 11:33 PM
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Letizia's past is hers and no one else's. I'm not fond of her, but I think it is unfair to say things that are pertinent to her only. Whether she had a child, it's no one's business but hers. She took some immoral pictures? Says who? So what? Please let's be more mature and stop saying things that are not really important today. Is she a good mother to those two little girls? Is she a good wife today? Is she taking improper picture today?
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Old 09-07-2010, 11:46 PM
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As stated before there's already a thread about this book and it's nothing, but trash. None of the claims have been proven nor has there been an attempt to prove the statements. If Priest008 puts out this thread without checking the other thread, then it's just to stir up controversy and if he believes all this, then he's naive and gullible.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:12 AM
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Royal's private lives aren't necessarily protected from the media anymore. In today's world anyone can be bribed for juicy gossip/info. Anyone who works for a Royal can take the money and blab secrets.
In the case of this piece of trash book about Letizia, obviously the author didn't bother to do any serious research, but just made up outlandish lies and had it published. He gives the excuse that his info came from such sources as the Central Intelligence. That's laughable. Does he really want us to think that he walked into the Intelligence Agency and requested private info about Letizia and they handed it over? Please, this isn't my first day at the rodeo.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:58 AM
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I don't believe any of it. It's ALL rubbish.
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Old 09-08-2010, 01:34 AM
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I think you are actually 100% correct! I hope Letitzia and her husband and family sue them into extinction!

Please do not think I am one of the "Letitzia walks on water" brigade, I am not. What I am is an ordinary decent human being who believes that slander and libel need to be crushed under the heel of the law.

I am guessing that killing a child means abortion and I understand that it is a highly contentious and emotive issue, particularly within the Church, and also that Spain is still a very devout nation. All the more reason to sue the creature that created these factoids.

No-one should have to take this sort of dirt lying down. Fight back!
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Old 09-08-2010, 02:09 AM
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Thank you for the link and translation. It is eye-opening. Everything bad that could be thrown at her - she is a member of a terrorists org, is a heroin pusher, physically abuses her husband and kids with a belt (WOW, I mean WOW), prostitute etc has been thrown at her.
There has been some confusion here.

The author of the article about the book quoted by AnaC says that he doesn't want to report exactly what events the book mentions not to disclose them again, so he makes up his own exaggerated allegations (like heroin pusher, family abuser) just to critizice the way this book has been treated by some of the media. He is saying that those media are eager to mention all the allegations in the book and then saying that they are well-known, not proven or totally acceptable. The author or the article is treating the matter with irony.

About the "abortion" thing, I guess in English the proper word would be "miscarriage", the confusion arises because in Spanish there is only one word for both. The author of the book says she went to the Mexican hospital because of pregnancy complications, and there the miscarriage ("aborto") happened.
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Old 09-08-2010, 02:12 AM
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As per the Italian news channels which today revealed some shocking news and truth about Princess Letizia I am amazed as to how it was not reported here, but any way, to every one who wishe to know the real truth behind the future Queen of Spain should know the following:

She was previously married and divorced.
She fathered a child but killed the child in New York as she could not obtain an abortion in 1990 in Mexico.
She is not of the Catholic faith but agnostic (an Agnostic will one day be seating on one of the most Catholic of all thrones!)
She was involved in several sexual and immoral photographs

there is more but I will stop there, I am not making this stuff up I am simply revealing the truth. I am as much a Royalist and monarchist as the holy saints were and I am ashamed that this women will ever reign such a once Catholic country. disgusting!
These revelations about Letizia seem very similar to those in recent biography about her. So nothing really new here. Since I don't believe in this book's revelations about Leti's life in Mexico because it can be easily made up, I don't trust this recent news either.

Some stuff here are not really new. Everyone knows Letizia was already divorced before marriage.
Being agnostic is not a crime. I know many people that are agnostics. Maybe Leti changed after marrying Felipe, maybe not, but she shows respect to religion in public, so what she thinks about religion should be her private matter. I have seen agnostics marrying Catholics in religious ceremony, not a big deal.
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Old 09-08-2010, 02:57 AM
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Letizia needs to be left alone, she has been penalized for her past and she was accepted by the King and Queen of Spain, so surely everyone else can accept that Felipe loves her for whatever her past is.
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:15 AM
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Had there been anything in Letizia's past that was unacceptable to the Spanish Government, the Royal Family and/or the Catholic Church, then she and Felipe would not have been allowed to marry.

If the Catholic Church was happy to marry them, then I would suggest that Priest008 be content with that and accept the Church's authority over the situation.
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Old 09-08-2010, 04:51 AM
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Had there been anything in Letizia's past that was unacceptable to the Spanish Government, the Royal Family and/or the Catholic Church, then she and Felipe would not have been allowed to marry.

If the Catholic Church was happy to marry them, then I would suggest that Priest008 be content with that and accept the Church's authority over the situation.
And she also met the Pope a few years ago & did not burst into flames,Priest 008 should be ashamed of himself for posting such rubbish .
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Old 09-08-2010, 07:38 AM
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How indecent to start a thread like this. It is mean and cruel.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:06 AM
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Letizia needs to be left alone, she has been penalized for her past and she was accepted by the King and Queen of Spain, so surely everyone else can accept that Felipe loves her for whatever her past is.
Agree, but what is Letizia`s past? Is there really something Letizia should be ashamed of? Someone spreads a rumour about an abortion and about Letizia`s wild life in Mexico and other terrible things without giving any proofs. Why should it be discussed here? Why should we say that she was accepted "whatever her past is"? I don`t say that she is pure and innocent like a lilium, cause nobody is. But all those terrible things are speculation and I thought speculation is forbidden here
I`m sorry but it drives me crazy that the Princess is blemished and fouled in this way. People are free to not like her, but this is too much.
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As per the Italian news channels which today revealed some shocking news and truth about Princess Letizia I !
I do not want to be unpolite towards Italy, but some kind of Italian Press is not well known for its absolute truth!

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to every one who wishe to know the real truth behind the future Queen of Spain should know the following:

She was previously married and divorced.
This was already known!! By every one !!!!

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She fathered a child but killed the child in New York as she could not obtain an abortion in 1990 in Mexico.!
This is just called "an abortion" and discussion about it does not concern this thread. But even if it is true, she won't be the first woman in the world to have done it. Where is the scandal?

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We also know it. It has been said since the beginning!

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She was involved in several sexual and immoral photographs!
And they have waited SEVEN years to make it public? Where are these famous pictures??

Generally speaking, all this story for me is just a repetition of some old discussions, in form of book! It is meaningless! Her behavior now is perfect, and this is the point.
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physically abuses her husband and kids with a belt (WOW, I mean WOW)
Ermm , really this sounds....well. I maen how could a woman Letizia's size actually abuse a man like Felipe? Honestly if she ever raised her hand holding a belt, I am sure that Felipe has the power to catch and stop her in the air. About the kids, although stricly from a physical point of view she could actually hurt them, I don't believe that she would ever be that kind of mother. And besides the author didn't seem to take into account that they are not a family living in an appartment , thery are surrounded by a lot of staff who, if there was the danger that some kind of abuse ever occured (and this only is a theoretical hypothesis by me) , would be instructed by thei kids' father and grandfather to remove them from her sight immediatelyand protect them from an outburst.
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Snowflower, the author doesn't claim anything close to that belt thing, that was just a mocking allegation made up by another writer that was commenting on the book (see my previous post above).

The most important claim by the author appears to be that Felipe knew about several potentially controversial facts from Letizia's past and he decided to marry her no matter what. He foresaw his father's opposition, so planned to come out with an ultimatum: either he was allowed to marry her or he would renounce his Crown rights.

So Felipe's parents were forced to accept Letizia, and the House of the King hid all information about her past, made people destroy pictures of her first marriage, etc. in order to present her as some sort of girl next door with just a brilliant career in journalism.
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oh I get it now (English is not my first language and I got confused readng the topic a little fast ). Well , I too believe that Felipe's parents were far from concidering her as an ideal bride - however, it doens't seem to me that she has so many hidden secrets behind her as this book claims. Afterall , before marrying Felipe she had lived in this world for more than 30 years as a common person , so how could she have hidden so many controversial facts before her marriage? I believe that someone would have known and would have speak.
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I do not want to be unpolite towards Italy, but some kind of Italian Press is not well known for its absolute truth!
It's very sad, but you're right...

Btw, what the Italian press (I've checked several newspapers and websites) just reported is that this biography will be published, and revealed some of the containts of the book: that Letizia, accorting to the author, was arrested for being in possession of drug, that in 1995 she moved to Mexico where she became close friend of painter Saavedra who portrayed her half-naked, in the same period she had an abortion, and that, talking to friends and colleagues, she often remarked to be republican and socialist and that she didn't like both the King and Prince Felipe.
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