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Old 09-05-2010, 08:43 AM
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because she is the newest adult member. she is a commoner. and she sells like crazy. while that is also a pluspoint, it also means that she is the one that everyone wants to write/read about. the crazier the better
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:49 AM
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Also because the King is very respected, nodoby would publish anything seriously negative about him, or the Queen, so regal and with so many royal dynasties in her family. Letizia is a commoner and as Black said sells much more than anyone else in that family, maybe because the press doesn't seem to have the same respect for her as she was one of them and not royal. For example, a year ago some press very lightly especulated that Iñaki Urdangarín was cheating on Cristina. Hardly any repercussion in any serious news outlet. Can you imagine what would happen if someone wrote that about Letizia, regardless of the proof they had?
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Old 09-05-2010, 03:17 PM
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Unknown publishing house, little known author, and very polemic book...

It seems that both the publishing house, and the author, as many of the digital media that are spreading the story of the book, they have ultraconservative ideas. In Spain the Monarchy is much more attacked by ultraconservative sectors, that for the own republicans. I read to writers or journalists of these ideas, to accuse the King and the prince of being socialist and republican. The most terrible critiques about the Princess have come from these sectors.

The Spanish Royal Family never denounces, and of it they take advantage to publish this type of books.

I have read several information, the author does not say anything good about the Princess, everything is negative, and really it does not contribute any information confirmed of serious form. He accuses her of several very serious things. He gathers rumors, many invented in Internet, with information of a supposed report of the National Center of Intelligence, which includes even orthographic lacks.

It is possible to criticize, even invent a gossip ... but it is incredible that wants to degenerate to a person with so much hatred.
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Old 09-05-2010, 03:48 PM
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I have not read the book and I don't think I will ever do it. I made some research about the book, read couple royal boards-this book is a piece of c...p.
It reminds me another book, forgot the author, about pss Grace of Monaco, rehashing similar nasty gossip, and interesting "revelations' about abortion were discussed in that book too.

It is so amazing that if someone wants to tarnish a popular royal in catholic country, the topic of abortion appears.
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Old 09-05-2010, 04:00 PM
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Also because the King is very respected, nodoby would publish anything seriously negative about him, or the Queen, so regal and with so many royal dynasties in her family. Letizia is a commoner and as Black said sells much more than anyone else in that family, maybe because the press doesn't seem to have the same respect for her as she was one of them and not royal. For example, a year ago some press very lightly especulated that Iñaki Urdangarín was cheating on Cristina. Hardly any repercussion in any serious news outlet. Can you imagine what would happen if someone wrote that about Letizia, regardless of the proof they had?

This is very fascinating. Differences between how Letizia and Inaki are treated. IMHO, Cristina and Inaki get the most passes of all. Even Elena gets more scrutiny.

Secondly, what do you think of the focus on Letizia's time in Mexico as a time period to generate all kinds of rumors - everything from promiscuity, affairs with married men, drug abuse, abortions, unable to have kids etc. Is it because it is a distant country and verification by fellow journalists of alleged sources is difficult ....versus... chasing the same info in Spain itself

Thridly, it is hard to believe that a person has a personality switch for 2-3 years (??) lived abroad. If Letizia had destructive tendencies in Mexico, then she must have had them in Spain too - before she left for Mexico and after she came back.

Is there any significant push back in the press and popular opinion on the rumors peddled by this book?
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Old 09-05-2010, 04:09 PM
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Secondly, what do you think of the focus on Letizia's time in Mexico as a time period to generate all kinds of rumors - everything from promiscuity, affairs with married men, drug abuse, abortions, unable to have kids etc. Is it because it is a distant country and verification by fellow journalists of alleged sources is difficult ....versus... chasing the same info in Spain itself

Thridly, it is hard to believe that a person has a personality switch for 2-3 years (??) lived abroad. If Letizia had destructive tendencies in Mexico, then she must have had them in Spain too - before she left for Mexico and after she came back.

Is there any significant push back in the press and popular opinion on the rumors peddled by this book?
Hey, you hit the nail on the head.
Yeah, anything can be made up against Letizia about her time in Mexico because it's hard to verify. And yep, people don't change overnight in foreign country and then change back in own country.
I just hope that most people have common sense and will also get that this book makes so sense whatsoever.
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Old 09-05-2010, 04:21 PM
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I actually think people can act different in one country than another. People do it often enough when they move states, start new schools, jobs, etc. A new location is a chance to start anew as no one really knows anything about you.

That being said,

I agree that it is very suspicious that a majority of Letitiza's past occurs when she is in Mexico. As previously pointed out, its harder to check out the sources. This reeks of innuendos.

People are really going to believe what they like. The uneducated (and by that I mean those who believe everything they read) and those who don't care for Letizia will grab the book like a winning lottery ticket as it confirms everything they thought about Letizia.

Those who like Letizia will say that its a slanderous and it is all lies.

I am sure like a lot of books about popular public figures, the truth lies in between. I am sure Letizia is not perfect (NOR has she pretended to be) but it will be interesting to see how this book is viewed by the general public.

So far I am getting the vibe that much of what has been written has been discredited and the Spanish public doesn't really care. I mean, written by a Catalan separatist? That right there loses some credibility. If it was a distinguished author who is known for writing credible biographies I think people might care. Its like a Kitty Kelley novel. This book might find its way to the bargain bin quite soon.
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Old 09-05-2010, 04:22 PM
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Here we go again! Clearly, Letizia hasn't ever done anything TOO terrible or there probably would have been a) a bigger push against the wedding from the RF, and b) a lot of evidence that certainly would have been discovered by now.

Typical "yellow journalism" as we call it in the USA- just making a fuss to sell papers/books and make a lot of money off an easy target.
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Old 09-05-2010, 09:37 PM
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Typical "yellow journalism" as we call it in the USA- just making a fuss to sell papers/books and make a lot of money off an easy target.
I agree. All they do to sell and ruin someone's image. I for one don't believe it since it comes from an "separatist" author.
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Old 09-05-2010, 10:21 PM
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There is a political motivation since the author is a Catalan separtist. They don't like the Spainish royal family so they will do or say anything to discredit them. A lot of stuff is difficult to prove. Stuff that's difficult to prove is often used to discredit someone.
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Are there any legal steps that she or the SRf can take regarding this book? Will they?
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The El Mundo article posted by franks mentioned that the book had a part of the so called CNI report, with many spelling mistakes, the most obvious one is that 'y' (Spanish) was written to 'i' (Catalan). Obviously the report was written by the native Catalan speakers. I can't believe a formal CNI report on the future queen could't get the most basic Spanish right, if that's the real one, Spain is really in trouble .
I think the Catalan separatists made up of the CNI report.

Inaki is not married to the heir to the throne, plus he is a male, thus less interesting for the press. An upper class man cheating on his wife ? Unless someone can provide pictures or videos, it's not that interesting.
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The author is a Catalan, yes, but not a separatist. On the contrary, he seems to be close to the far right.

One of his previous books was a report about the atrocities that allegedly were committed by "republicans" against priests just before the Spanish Civil War.
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While I believe that the book is trashy and consists of unfounded theories or rumors, it was clear to me that at some point something like this would come up and probably will come up again, this time hopefully more serious and founded.

We must not forget that Letizia was basically thrown at Spanish people as fiancee, there was no public courtship, understandably, because she wouldnt have survived the public courtship as a divorced person etc. Felipe had been there before with Eva Sannum and wanted to be more clever this time.

The problem is that Letizia was being presented as fiancee already "cleaned up" by Zarzuela, some rumours about the time in Mexico or her divorce were brushed aside because the King had approved of the engagement and nobody would have dared to stand against the King at that time, the media is supposed to be free but only supposed to. In the meantime people have understood that anything about Letizia will sell and make them money.

I am not saying that she should have done a walk to Canossa (in case there are indeed some black episodes in her past a la Mette Marit) but I believe that at some point there will be the need for some clarifications because since her engagement Letizia's past has more or less been erased. She wasnt sent from heaven to become the future Queen of Spain after all.

Unless there will be a book that is kind of authorized (like Pilar Urbano for Queen Sofia) and will reflect a balanced truth, there will always be rumours about the Mexico time or divorce that will not go away and will finally harm the Royal House. Some people will now say that past is private, but how can the future Queen be private? Its only natural that people are interested and they do deserve some kind of information, but it should come from Zarzuela and not leave it to the gossip to start digging and bring up unfounded dirt.
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The author is a Catalan, yes, but not a separatist. On the contrary, he seems to be close to the far right.

One of his previous books was a report about the atrocities that allegedly were committed by "republicans" against priests just before the Spanish Civil War.
I agree, he is not a separatist but to the far right movement.

And I also agree with DOM there is a demand for this kind of book about Letizia, it has been sold out in some places, and supposedly it came out today!
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Un libro desvela oscuros episodios del pasado de la princesa Letizia

The book went on sale today. It remains to be seen whether it makes big enough waves and Zarzuela feels the need to comment on it. I would be surprised.

The accusations are not nice incl a supposed abortion in Mexico and a republican state of mind. If its true, Zarzuela will indeed have an image problem but as long as the author doesnt come up with proven facts it is gossip and reputation damage of the worst kind.
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This things are not good to say for Letizia becase she didn't hurt nobody. Every person has a past and people must respect all personalities, not hurt the other individuals. I will never read this book.
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Duke, it doesn't matter the courtship of Felipe and Leti is public known or not, it doesn't matter what she said and what she didn't say (Diana obviously had said enough), as long as she remains an enourmous interest for the press and public, some will continue throwing rumors and lies on her. Look at Princess Grace and Diana, even after their death, the rumors and lies have never stopped.
The author is a little known journalist, with the economic crisis, it's good to have little fame and cash too even at the expense of trying to damage the other person. I doubt it will damange Zarzuela or Letizia that much unless he has any proven evidence other than a fake CNI report (called by the El Mundo article). The CNI report looked like a product of some young and ignorant Catalan separatists who couldn't write basic Spanish properly, didn't know how the world worked. US is not Spain, foreigners can't get the free medical treatment by some good doctors/specialists. The price for the treatment by a specialist in US is extremely high, definitely not a middle class or even an upper middle class Spaniard could afford.
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Being catalan doesn't make you a separatist, probably he is a republican but it's not the same thing. He is linked to the far right, how can he be a separatist?
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Being catalan doesn't make you a separatist, probably he is a republican but it's not the same thing. He is linked to the far right, how can he be a separatist?
I haven't said the author is a separatist. I think whether he is right or left, he is as the article said 'few journalist knew him, belong to the night life, near the yellow press'. It doesn't prevent a far right person from using a report by anyone (including the separatists) as long as it serves the purpose. Recently there were quite a movement from the far right going against the monarchy too (articles on Jaime/Elena and Letizia from Epoca, also a far right magazine).
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