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Old 04-16-2013, 12:39 PM
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I can not really have an opinion, because I do not know Spanish mentality, around 2003, but could not be much more appreciated a Felipe asking Letizia to talk openly about her abortion (IF real) rather than lying to his Parents and to the whole nation and trying to destroy medical files?
A kind of Mette Marit confession?

Why not?? Or was this impossible to be accepted by the Spanish People???
Or the problem was the the Church would not authorise a religious wedding?
We don't know what Letizia told Felipe. We don't know what Felipe told his family. But I think it's a fair assumption that Letizia may have thought it was no one's business but hers (even if she did tell Felipe). No woman has an abortion casually, most tell almost no one, and very very few would tell a male cousin. No one can force a woman to have an abortion- it's her decision. And no one should be able to force a woman to have a child, either.
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Old 04-16-2013, 12:44 PM
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I agree with ladongas. Most women don't announce even their pregnancy till end of the first trimester as it's considered a rather intimate detail. And an abortion is even more intimate. It just seems very very peculiar that this cousin would have information about his cousin's uterus.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:54 PM
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...A kind of Mette Marit confession?...
MM didn't confess, she said she was sorry (about her wild partying and involving in drug) and didn't want to talk about her past anymore, that's about it. Do people seriously think Letizia would apologize her abortion (if it was true) in public or any other women would just because they were going to marry a prince ? Abortion (if it's true) is an intimate subject, no one should force a woman to talk about abortion in public. If church or some people didn't accept her, it's their own issue, she had no obligation to apologize to anyone.
If the abortion was indeed true, I doubt the King or the Church didn't know before the wedding. I'm not saying her cousin was 100% lying in his book, but many details probably were not true or being exaggerated to fit the agenda of the publisher.
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Old 04-16-2013, 08:33 PM
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Someone who has had an abortion doesn't usually broadcast it. A woman might tell a family member or a close friend that they had an abortion. Some don't tell anyone and hope that their secret never comes out. If they are someone who is famous or someone who is prominent, there is a risk of it being found out and reported.

If Leitizia did have an abortion (this we don't really know), it's possible that she told Prince Felipe just to come clean about it or did so because she didn't want someone else to tell him about it.

I've yet to hear of any male royal apologize for wild partying, drinking too much at a party, experimenting with marijuana in their younger days, driving too fast on the highway, or fathering a child out of wedlock. Most have done more than one of these in their life time A few have apologized for cheating on their spouses (only when caught) but that is about it. If their partner has done this, then she has to confess and apologize to the nation and to the world for her actions.

Letizia doesn't owe anyone an apology for anything in her past.
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Old 04-17-2013, 01:50 AM
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This book is not about critizising a possible abortion (that is documented by clinic bills in the book by the way) but about the hypocracy towards the public, standing for something different in public than in private, putting pressure on the commoner family to be as perfect as Letizia wanted to appear herself, Erika succombing to the pressure.

I've ridden excerpts of the book, I am sure it contains some exaggerations to spice it up but in general I believe the author has a point. Many things mentioned about the main characters make sense, the author actually praises Felipe and the Queen's attitude, says that F&L are genuinely in love. The character studies of the Ortiz/Rocasolano and Bourbon families are hilarious at times. I didnt need the author to write about Letizia being nervous, hysterical at times or controll-freakish, a perfectionist in the worst sense, easy to wind up, it's easy to see in videos or pictures, at least to me. The book is not a character assassination per se, its about giving up one's ideals for a ring and putting pressure on others to follow suit. Its about hypocricy that - at least after all the other exposures - makes completely sense when referring to the SRF.

The book would never have been published had JC not been exposed as elephant killer/having mistresses, Elena and her divorce, Inaki & Cristina alledgedly stealing public money. F&L are about more appearance than substance, I personally didnt need the book to confirm this to me.
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I did not say APOLOGISE i said just to INFORM people.
In the same way they informed that she was married and divorced. No comments, just the information.
Public apologies do fit better with American mentality less to European.
Of course abort is a painfull experience, and the average woman wants just to forget about. but when you are a royal there is another approach, as there is a constant risk to be known.
And this Felipe must know.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:57 AM
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...I've yet to hear of any male royal apologize for wild partying, drinking too much at a party, experimenting with marijuana in their younger days, driving too fast on the highway, or fathering a child out of wedlock. Most have done more than one of these in their life time A few have apologized for cheating on their spouses (only when caught) but that is about it. If their partner has done this, then she has to confess and apologize to the nation and to the world for her actions.
Letizia doesn't owe anyone an apology for anything in her past.
I fully agree with every word you wrote
Indeed,if some MALE royals had to confess their "sins",they would need a long long time and many books to do so

If any woman has anabortion, nobody else but her and the father of that child needs to know,this intimate information is neither of public interest nor anything that a woman must make known to the public....
We live in a free world, everyone must make the important decision about their life for themselves,you are only responsible for what you do and you are the one who needs to live with your own past and the consequences of your decisions...nobody else lives your life! It´s your life-your choices-your mistakes & only you need to live with it!

IMO What people do in their private life is their own business as long as they don´t put anyone in danger or violate a law or do something that hurts the interest of their country! (Like telling secrets that are only for very certain people to get known and could be used against the country,avoiding to pay taxes or leaving a car accident without calling the ambulance for the other involved person who is hurt...etc.)
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:10 AM
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Duke, how are F&L about more appearance than substance ? Wanting family members to dress appropriately for the big day (wedding) or behave properly (ex. her maternal grandpa) is pretty much a minimum requirement, I doubt most of her family members had any issue with it. There were bad things for the family (ex. media harassment) after Letizia married Felipe, there were also many good things too, ex. Antonio Vigor became employed. In the book David R mentioned several parties he went with Felipe and Letizia, he seemed to enjoy them too.

I think it's very low to blame Erika's death on Letizia. Erika had a depression after her relation was over with Carla's father. The main reason according to David R was that Antonio Vigor got a fellowship in South America, Erika didn't want to follow him since she had a good job in Madrid. Was Letizia's fault that Erika was lonely ? Perhaps Letizia had more time for Erika when she was single, then she got married, had a new role, a young daughter, a difficult pregnancy, not as much time for Erika. If David was so close to Erika, why didn't he help her ? Or at least told her parents to watch over her ?
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:20 AM
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I do not believe for a minute that F & L are only "accessoires" to the Spanish royal family,they are working very hard...but obviously they get a lot of bad press only for their private life (which is nobody else´s business IMO).
In Spain Letizia sometimes gets such nasty,rude and impolite press and comments,that I feel so sorry for her that she needs to endure so much hatred!
If people don´t like her for whatever reasons,it is up to them-but the way that she has been vilified is below any standards of decent behavior and manners...really,I feel absolutely sorry for Letizia,I would not like to live in her skin for a single day,she needs to suffer from so much hatred and bullying :-(

Blaming her for Erika´s death is the deepest,lowest part of the book-how dare he?
She already feels sad and depressed for this tragic loss and now she also gets the blame for something that is out of her reach to help...
If someone is deeply depressed, only a professional and sound medical advice can help-Letizia is neither a doctor nor a psychology specialist,so all she could do was trying to assist her with her love & mental support.She has no blame for the decision of her sister,what a tragic and sad thing...
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:47 AM
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...There were bad things for the family (ex. media harassment) after Letizia married Felipe, there were also many good things too...
Perfectly said.
I think the whole L. family had more positive than negative effect frm thir wedding, so they should not complain (as Telma did.,)
As for Erica it is absolutely disgusting to blame Letizia or anyone else.
And if we have to blame someone, why we should not blame Antonio Vigo, who as soon as he started having succes, thanks to Erica's Princess sister, he let Erica dowm!
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:57 AM
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I do not believe for a minute that F & L are only "accessoires" to the Spanish royal family...
Thanks, Blauerengel, I see this exactly the same.
Letizia-bashing has been a common practise for many people during the last years and I feel really sorry for her, as - whatever she does - she never will do it right. I think she is working harder than any other CP. Lack of substance? What does this mean? Other CPs are also taking care of various social problems and may give the impression of being everywhere but taking care about nothing in particular. Letizia´s prios are Media and rare deseases - no issue with that.

Regarding the book: I still believe, this is a NO NO NO NO NO Go from a cousin who claimed to be a "favorite cousin" in the past to write a book and blaming her this way just to make money. Shame on him! There are simply NO excuses for an action like this. Fullstop.
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Old 04-17-2013, 05:29 AM
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copy of the divorce papers of letizia and alonso:

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Old 04-17-2013, 05:35 AM
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Do we ever saw at least one picture of Letizia's first wedding??
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:58 PM
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I never saw pictures of her first wedding.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:11 AM
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...I´m sure he isn´t. I laugh when people says that Rouco and the CC will excommuniate anybody from the royal family.
Letizia's life prior to marrying into the SRF is both irrelevant and none of our business. What she did or did not do is between her and her God (if one believes in such a thing). Judge her on how she has fulfilled her responsibilities as Princess of Asturias, full stop.

The lives of previously private citizens prior to their taking on a public role should be off-limits, except where there is an overwhelming public interest in its being assessed. The British PM, David Cameron, has consistently refused to answer questions about his life before he went into politics, namely whether he took drugs as a student. As he said, most people don't live their lives thinking 'oh, I better not do anything even slightly controversial in case I marry a public figure some day'.
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I completely agree with everything you have said.
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How can it be credible?

He claimed it is not personal, but he said he felt betrayed by the palace and the book is titled against her. He might be written off as an unhappy relative, except it could have done a disservice to shedding light on the monarchy, because his methods are quite irredeemable.

It is a character assassination (not that it can't be more than that, but that's what it is). He's relying on making her look bad to sell his story. Trying to qualify it by saying she 'changed to fit her circumstances' is a weak defense, because it still works off the assumption that she changed for the worst and feeds back into the negative image he's building (or capitalizing on).
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my book have arrived last tuesday and it has inside some private pictures of letizia and felipe too.
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letizia's cousin, david Rocasolano, publish 3 photos on twitter that are in the book "adios, princesa". All are from 2004.



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2 more from the book:

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