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Mary and Frederik come under fire

PRINCESS Mary's family has hit back at claims she left her personality in Australia and that her husband, Prince Frederik, is a lazy, reluctant heir.

Mary and Frederik come under fire | Herald Sun
Whatever happened to maintaining a dignified silence?
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I would think it would be better if her family did not respond to gossip about Mary and her family. Dignified silence is much much better.

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Whatever happened to maintaining a dignified silence?
I agree, Little_star. I think it only complicates matters now that her sister has said something about it. If it were me, I would have stayed quiet.
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One of the things that makes TRF's incredibly successful is the vast array of opinions one can find here. With that being said, may I please ask members to refrain from belittling others whose opinion is the extreme opposite of yours. There is no reason to knock down your fellow TRF's member for it now is there? If you cannot control yourself, and refuse to hear an opposite opinion, I suggest that you do not post in this topic.

Furthermore, please stop this childish name calling when referring to Trine and her husband. Why? Because like you they are active members of this board. Second, I'm assuming more than half of you are adults... so act like it please.

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I don't think the book should be completely written off as gibberish. I would have loved to see more of Mary the sporty australian women from the early days. Perhaps a look at Maxima and how she is still Maxima of old but princess trained could be a comparison. Frederik does not seem to have the same interest in hard work on behalf of his country as Felipe and Victoria. His preparation for taking over from the Queen seem to lack enthusiasm. Perhaps the book is too harsh but the next generation of royal regents will have a much harder time in making the monarchy relevant and it will take hard work and a very good relation to "your" people to be able to pass the crown on to the next generation. I don't think sailing and looking good in designer clothes will be a plus.
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I don't think the book should be completely written off as gibberish. I would have loved to see more of Mary the sporty australian women from the early days. Perhaps a look at Maxima and how she is still Maxima of old but princess trained could be a comparison. Frederik does not seem to have the same interest in hard work on behalf of his country as Felipe and Victoria. His preparation for taking over from the Queen seem to lack enthusiasm. Perhaps the book is too harsh but the next generation of royal regents will have a much harder time in making the monarchy relevant and it will take hard work and a very good relation to "your" people to be able to pass the crown on to the next generation.
You really don't actually know that Frederik lacks enthusiasm -- it could be just his personality and what he WANTS to show the public. Unless you know him personally, you really can't expertly judge. I personally don't want to see "Mary the sporty Australian" at this stage of her evolution. She is a CP of another country which does and should come first to her now. She made this choice in her life, and although I wouldn't want it for all the tea in China, she does and seems to be doing an excellent job. Plus her husband approves and that is all that matters.
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You really don't actually know that Frederik lacks enthusiasm -- it could be just his personality and what he WANTS to show the public. Unless you know him personally, you really can't expertly judge. I personally don't want to see "Mary the sporty Australian" at this stage of her evolution. She is a CP of another country which does and should come first to her now. She made this choice in her life, and although I wouldn't want it for all the tea in China, she does and seems to be doing an excellent job. Plus her husband approves and that is all that matters.
I don't think this book is telling anything about either Frederik or Mary. It is only telling, that some amount of people outthere, is more occupied by tittle-tattle and intrigues then they are occupied by reality. And becauce of that, some people are trying to make money (which is okey for me) on that - for instance paparazzia photographers or in this case - the authors.
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I wonder why this biased comparison Frederik / Philip is always used (eg in the herald article) as a justification to call Frederik lazy. It's grossly unfair to compair a CP to the consort of the most high profile monarch on this planet. The peer of the Duke of Edinburgh is Prince Henrik and not CP Frederik. It's ok to compare Frederik to Felipe or WA and come to own conclusions but there is no point in comparing number or quality of engagements of Prince Philip and CP Frederik (or even CP Mary and QE II). If a comparison is chosen to back up an opinion than a fair one, please.
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I don't think the book should be completely written off as gibberish.
It is not completely gibberish. I wouldn't necessarily say it is my favourite book, but it is interesting to have read. The first parts of it gives an okay, if at times very gossip-journalist and exaggerated, overview of the Danish royal family. It reads a bit like an longish article if Billedbladet and Ekstrabladet decided to merge.

Earlier in this thread I posted my account of it.
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Old 07-04-2008, 09:27 PM
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It is not completely gibberish. I wouldn't necessarily say it is my favourite book, but it is interesting to have read. The first parts of it gives an okay, if at times very gossip-journalist and exaggerated, overview of the Danish royal family. It reads a bit like an longish article if Billedbladet and Ekstrabladet decided to merge.

Earlier in this thread I posted my account of it.
Well, I have been in close e-mail contact with Trine's husband, who is a BBC Reporter and he does not strike me as being supportive of someone who is going to go off on a limb, and write a book rife with gibberish, either.
He's sane, sound, knows what he is doing and what he and his wife are up against. Trine seems quite nice as well. She's more guarded in communicating with strangers, such as myself, than her husband is but I truly have enjoyed getting to know the two of them.
I agree with you, Norwegianne, that this book should not be entirely written off. You know, I think Trine's had a really tough row to how in writing it, being that she's come under so much fire, of late. And, her sources, while they may well be entirely credible and trustworthy, aren't daring to come forward lest they be retaliated against, by members of The Royal Household.
Trine's truly caught between a rock and a hard place, I think.
I have seen many a video interview conducted with her, and I can tell you, she does not strike me as being totally sensationalistic, nor "out for blood", and eager to air dirty laundry. I think of her as being someone very daring, bold who wants to set the record straight, about a family whose life, habits etc. are still quite shrouded in mystery.
She wants to let a little daylight in upon the magic, if you will.
I am going to send away for the book in English, that Trine and her husband tell me is ready to be shipped and ordered from its Printer in Greece.

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You really don't actually know that Frederik lacks enthusiasm -- it could be just his personality and what he WANTS to show the public. Unless you know him personally, you really can't expertly judge. I personally don't want to see "Mary the sporty Australian" at this stage of her evolution. She is a CP of another country which does and should come first to her now. She made this choice in her life, and although I wouldn't want it for all the tea in China, she does and seems to be doing an excellent job. Plus her husband approves and that is all that matters.
It is actually irrelevant if one knows Frederik personally. The future of the monarchy is not going to be decided by personal friends but by the Danish population. If one that follows the royal families activities out of interest for the future of the various monarchies can not find a lot of activities that would make one believe that Frederik is very active, one can only guess what anyone who may have the privilege to be part of the decision in the future may know about his work on behalf of his country. It is the current crown princes and princess that will make or break the monarchies - simply because the monarchies are part or a country's tradition and culture but otherwise rather irrelevant. Therefore the activities and attitudes of the current heirs to the thrones are much more important than for any of the previous generations. High visability and a genuine interest in their countries place in the global environment is important. I believe Frederik can be more involved that he has been so far.
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As a newcomer I better tell my compatriots (first and foremost) that I
am a royalist and that the blessings of a Republic of Denmark are yet
to dawn on me!

That said, I do have my reservations about the present state of the
Danish Royal Family and I'll try to explain why, with a detour.

Towards the end of the 1980s, when the political tide of the 1970s
socialism receded, out RF arose to revived popularity. It
happened at a time when the first of many anniversaries arrived in
a steady flow. There were never ending celebrations, galas and
parties, all carried out with up-ritualized pomp. Then Prince Joachim
married Alexandra Manley, and the RF hype soared to new heights.

The public demand for royal events & news seemed insatiable. Our
two public service TV channels were carpet-bombing us with live
coverage of any RF event from morning til evening. The media -
with one or two republican exceptions - were all in deference,
asking no questions. The RF on its part revelled in the public adulation
and carried on as usual, en route to the next celebration. They stuck
to the party-cum-cutting ribbons groove without looking for news paths
to explore. .

Suffering from royalty constipation I first welcomed Villemann's idea
of a DRF reality check! The result however, is disappointing.
The style is uneven, the research is so-so, parts are written in
tabloid-sensationalist-Danish, mainly based on hear-say, sometimes
from as far as third hand sources! The most interesting chapter IMO
is on the events leading up to the 1953-change of the succession
law and about the sidelined Prince Knud branch of the family.

While Villemann's views on CP Mary are grossly unfair, I agree
that CP Frederik should reconsider his public role, taking a closer
look at esp. his Swedish and British counterparts in the process.

However expecting him to elaborate on his visions for his
reign is inappropriate as long as his mother is alive - also IMO!
And while he could indeed benefit from a communications coach,
Villemann's ongoing witch-hunt is not exactly doing him any
favours; on the contrary!

Villemann claims to be a constructive critic of the DRF. As it happens
she is fuelling the fire of the Danish republicans, and she is doing it fast!

And while we're at it: "1015-K" was published by the republican tabloid
Ekstrabladet.

think about it!

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Old 07-05-2008, 05:26 AM
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Well, I have been in close e-mail contact with Trine's husband, who is a BBC Reporter and he does not strike me as being supportive of someone who is going to go off on a limb, and write a book rife with gibberish, either.
He's sane, sound, knows what he is doing and what he and his wife are up against. Trine seems quite nice as well. She's more guarded in communicating with strangers, such as myself, than her husband is but I truly have enjoyed getting to know the two of them.
I agree with you, Norwegianne, that this book should not be entirely written off. You know, I think Trine's had a really tough row to how in writing it, being that she's come under so much fire, of late. And, her sources, while they may well be entirely credible and trustworthy, aren't daring to come forward lest they be retaliated against, by members of The Royal Household.
Trine's truly caught between a rock and a hard place, I think.
Oh - Poor Trine. I do think she can fight her own battles. If not - she shouldn't start one. When she decided to publish that book, she must have known, that she put herself in a line of fire. Lucky for her, it is only very few people who has shown any interest. She has used her right to freedom of speach in an book hardly anybody has read. It is only in this forum the book has managed to make any interest - in Denmark the book was overlooked and forgotten.

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Villemann claims to be a constructive critic of the DRF. As it happens she is fuelling the fire of the Danish republicans, and she is doing it fast!
As the book never had any real impact in Denmark, I can't se how Villemann can be fuelling the fire of anything. And when it comes to the very small amount of republicans i Denmark. They would be so no matter whether this book was publised or not. The book was nothing but a one-day wonder.

Now it has come in english - hopefully for Trine Villemann the sales in Australia (Which IMO must be the only country outside Denmark, where anybody would think about bying a book about the DRF) will be bette then they were i Denmark - elsehow she would have been doing a lot of work for hardly nothing.
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As the book never had any real impact in Denmark, I can't se how Villemann can be fuelling the fire of anything.
Maybe not, Lilla! However the problem is that innuendo and gossip
is instrumental is you want to ruin the reputation of someone or
something. It has an undermining effect, if you keep going long enough!

I don't know the numbers of copies sold in DK, but 1015-K was on
the charts for about 4 weeks. There was an audience and there is
reason to believe that at least some of its readers "bought" the
gossip along with it.

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Now it has come in english - hopefully for Trine Villemann the sales in Australia (Which IMO must be the only country outside Denmark, where anybody would think about bying a book about the DRF) will be bette then they were i Denmark - elsehow she would have been doing a lot of work for hardly nothing.
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As a newcomer I better tell my compatriots (first and foremost) that I
am a royalist and that the blessings of a Republic of Denmark are yet
to dawn on me!

That said, I do have my reservations about the present state of the
Danish Royal Family and I'll try to explain why, with a detour.

Towards the end of the 1980s, when the political tide of the 1970s
socialism receded, out RF arose to revived popularity. It
happened at a time when the first of many anniversaries arrived in
a steady flow. There were never ending celebrations, galas and
parties, all carried out with up-ritualized pomp. Then Prince Joachim
married Alexandra Manley, and the RF hype soared to new heights.

The public demand for royal events & news seemed insatiable. Our
two public service TV channels were carpet-bombing us with live
coverage of any RF event from morning til evening. The media -
with one or two republican exceptions - were all in deference,
asking no questions. The RF on its part revelled in the public adulation
and carried on as usual, en route to the next celebration. They stuck
to the party-cum-cutting ribbons groove without looking for news paths
to explore. .

Suffering from royalty constipation I first welcomed Villemann's idea
of a DRF reality check! The result however, is disappointing.
The style is uneven, the research is so-so, parts are written in
tabloid-sensationalist-Danish, mainly based on hear-say, sometimes
from as far as third hand sources! The most interesting chapter IMO
is on the events leading up to the 1953-change of the succession
law and about the sidelined Prince Knud branch of the family.

While Villemann's views on CP Mary are grossly unfair, I agree
that CP Frederik should reconsider his public role, taking a closer
look at esp. his Swedish and British counterparts in the process.

However expecting him to elaborate on his visions for his
reign is inappropriate as long as his mother is alive - also IMO!
And while he could indeed benefit from a communications coach,
Villemann's ongoing witch-hunt is not exactly doing him any
favours; on the contrary!

Villemann claims to be a constructive critic of the DRF. As it happens
she is fuelling the fire of the Danish republicans, and she is doing it fast!

And while we're at it: "1015-K" was published by the republican tabloid
Ekstrabladet.

think about it!

Viv
Viv thank you very much! I think some one like you could write a much much better book. I think you've addressed the real problems very short and in a much more convincing way then this book has done. As you Viv, I don't believe to repeat gossips and rumours again and again, to be endlessly involved in innuendos of the nasty kind, won't make the DRF better in any way. After all, this is what the author want's peole to believe is her goal.

I agree with you the DRF has to search for something with substance and I think CP Mary has done allready a rather good job regarding this issue and where she herself is involved. Very true Frederik still has to develope a more public role. He also needs urgently to get some public speaking training.

Nonetheless the book in question isn't the right instrument to address the real problems, nor to do anything to make them better.

It's sad that a so called critical book has to be based on an endless stream of gossip and rumours. The conclusions and how the alleged problems should be solved aren't usefull. Especiall it's beyond me why Mary should be the guilty one if the DRF failes. Though I think the worst part isn't the book it's the interviews the author has given and partly has drawn a total different story then in the book. I also think it's not approbriate for an journalist who wants to be taken at least somewhat seriously to sign up at certain message boards and here I don't think so much about this one. Beeing involved in discussions with the only goal to tarnish the reputation of the royals doesn't add to the credability of the author and her husband in question too, at least in my opinion.

No wonder that besides of Frederik Mary is the target of this Author at least in her interviews, her blog and discussions she is involved. After all at her blog she admits that Frederik should have married at least a noble woman. One reason is, this kind of woman would be more able to cope with certain marriage problems. Wonder if she has missed Princess Dianas (whome she so admires) way to cope with marriage problems. Or where she was when the huge marriage problems occurred between the then still Princess Paola and her husband.
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Binz and Viv, I'm intrigued... could you give us your review of the book (hence similar as to what Norwegianne did) besides what the author's motivation may or may not be? Assuming the two of you read it...

Second, what did you think of her analysis of the former Princess Alexandra? Do you believe it was a fair treatment?

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Lilla, dear, Trine has and continues to "fight her own battles", minus her husband, on this board.


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Lucky for her, it is only very few people who has shown any interest. She has used her right to freedom of speach in an book hardly anybody has read. It is only in this forum the book has managed to make any interest - in Denmark the book was overlooked and forgotten.

Are you sure about that? Because I've seen on other forums and blogs (both pro and anti) discussing this book until the cows come home. As for interest in the book I'm not surprised. However, I am curious, do a lot of people in Denmark rush out to buy books about their royals? If I recall correctly the two books about Crown Princess Mary way back in late 2004-2005 didn't do all that well and what about the book Frederik at 40... what are the current numbers?

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Could someone tell me exactly what actual responsibility the CP has and also his wife Mary. Has the Queen (or their government) let him have public "say" on all subjects political or is he just permitted to do exactly what they are doing at the moment? In other words, is Fred permitted to give his opinion on (say) the war, other countries, Africa's problems (like Holland's Prince can now) or must he just smile until his government gives him permission? Is he permitted to champion any cause that he wants (even if politically incorrect)? Is he allowed to be his own person or must he wait until he is sitting as king. Every European country seems to have their own restrictions -- some MUCH easier than others. Holland seems to be the most liberal and less restrictive.
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It is going to be up to the current crown princess and princes to give the monarchies another generation on the throne. Is Frederik interested and if so - what is he doing about it? That is eventually the the deciding issue - and the danish people will get only one chance at deciding. If monarchy looses there is only a very remote chance that the decision will be reversed at a later time. Whether we like it or not - the impression is that Frederik is not overly interested in doing everything in his might to let his people know that we will be a great king for his country.
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However, I am curious, do a lot of people in Denmark rush out to buy books about their royals? If I recall correctly the two books about Crown Princess Mary way back in late 2004-2005 didn't do all that well and what about the book Frederik at 40... what are the current numbers?
If I wanted to make a fortune on the danish marked - writing books -I would not choose the DRF as subject.
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You didn't answer my question, Lilla.
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