Royal Roles & Titles for the Future Spouses of Victoria, Carl Philip & Madeleine

[annieblack]

A man marrying a princess doesn't automatically recieve a title but a woman marrying a prince would automatically recieve her husbands titles.

[Boris]

No. In the Bernadotte's case, this is not correct.
The question of titles for future spouses of the King's children is totally undecided as of now. It's the first time in Swedish history that all his children all remain dynasts regardless of whom they choose to marry, so this will create a new precedent under the new constitutional laws.
In this age of equal rights, it's not a given at all that a future wife of Prince Carl Phillip will become a Princess while a future husband will not become Prince.
It's very possible that titles will be given (or withheld) regardless of the sex, stressing the point of equality. It's going to be an interesting decision, completely up in the air right now.

[HRHofNothing]

Originally Posted by Boris

No. In the Bernadotte's case, this is not correct.
The question of titles for future spouses of the King's children is totally undecided as of now. It's the first time in Swedish history that all his children all remain dynasts regardless of whom they choose to marry, so this will create a new precedent under the new constitutional laws.
In this age of equal rights, it's not a given at all that a future wife of Prince Carl Phillip will become a Princess while a future husband will not become Prince.
It's very possible that titles will be given (or withheld) regardless of the sex, stressing the point of equality. It's going to be an interesting decision, completely up in the air right now.

I cannot imagine a female spouse of Carl Philip not becoming a Princess. After all, any children they might have will be Princes and Princesses and it would be wierd if their Mother was not.

Madeline's husband will get a count of possibly a duke title but there is no way that in this day and age of downsizing of Royal families will he become a Prince...

I am sure Victoria's husband will be a Prince as heir consort but I don't think he will have his own Dukedom- probably courtesy style of Dukes of Vestergotland.

[Next Star]

Yes I still think Carl-Philp and Madeleine will help their older sister with the royal duites and support her in her future role as queen.Now about this title situation the king is the only one who can give out titles to members of the royal family upon his
decesion to do so or not.

[lyndaW]

Well if nothing else it should be interesting to see what the King does in the future

[HRHofNothing]

Originally Posted by lyndaW

Well if nothing else it should be interesting to see what the King does in the future

You did not have to wait long for your answer

With Daniel sharing Victoria's title and it not being clear if he is going to be a HRH, there is no way a future hubby of Madde is going to get anything. He will have to be content to be a Mr.

I would still be surprised if Carl Philip's wife did not get a HRH Princess.

[linneatherose]

I dont know. I dont think Emma would get any special title if jonas didn't. I think they'll both get small titles- but you never know.. Isnt the king's sister's husband a Mr.??

[Kotroman]

Yes, but The King's sisters' marriages were not considered equal.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Kotroman

Yes, but The King's sisters' marriages were not considered equal.

Princess Birgitta married equal as she married a german Prince.

[Kotroman]

I didn't say all of the King's sisters. I meant only those whose husbands are merely misters.

Right, but Jonas, Emma and Daniel are not equals to Victoria, CP and Madeleine either, are they?

As you can see, equal marriages are no longer recquired in Sweden (and most of the other European countries). The Queen of Sweden herself was not equal to her husband... until they married

Anyway, wife of The Duke of Värmland will surely be Duchess of Värmland (and possibly Princess of Sweden). Husband of The Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland will probably be Duke of Hälsingland and Gästrikland (since it was announced that husband of The Duchess of Västergötland will be Duke of Västergötland). I also suppose that the future Duke of Hälsingland and Gästrikland will also be a Prince of Sweden if the future Duchess of Värmland gets the title of Princess of Sweden. I think that the future Duchess of Värmland and Duke of Hälsingland and Gästrikland should both get the Swedish princely titles because wives of princes are naturally princesses and husbands of princesses should become princes because of equal primogeniture.

[linneatherose]

Right, but Jonas, Emma and Daniel are not equals to Victoria, CP and Madeleine either, are they?

[HRHofNothing]

With the addition of a Prince to the Swedish Royal Family soon, I was thinking about Royal engagements that the family performs.

The Swedish Monarch seems to have no political role beyond giving a speech at the opening of parliament every year, so all of his and the Queen Slyiva's engagement are of a social-ceremonial nature. They keep a pretty decent schedule- not overloaded by any means. Crown Princess Victoria has her own schedule of duties which although of a significant number do not consume all of her time either. Carl Philip and Madeline also have some royal engagements but no where near a full schedule. Princess Lilian because of her advanced age barely performs any duties. There are no other HRH members of the Royal family.

Keeping this in mind I wans wondering what Royal Duties would be left for the new spouses to perform.

HRH Prince Daniel: Accompany CP Victoria on her various engagements, pick up a few patronages (possibly fitness related) and take over some duties from Carl-Philip. Enough for a relatively light full time schedule.

HRH Princess Carl-Philip: She will also take part in the somewhat reduced schedule of duties that her husband will be performing. A few patronages of her own. I just don't see a scenario where she won't become a HRH, so she will have to peform some duties.

Princess Madeline's Husband: None. I really dont think that after the entry of the above two there will be many royal engagements left for Madeline to perform- let alone her husband.

What does everyone think of my analysis- agree or disagree?