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Old 09-12-2013, 11:52 PM
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I still think that we here seem to have a bigger problem with it than the swedish royal family...
And their cousin recently married a model too
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6146/5...46a01d6d_z.jpg

The most recent photoshoot of Sofia is still from 2010, that's a good 3 years ago.... and again: she's not going to be a queen, is she..,?
You can't compare Gustaf Magnuson marrying Vicky Andrén with Carl Philip possibly marrying Sofia. Gustaf Magnuson is a totally private person, he isn't a member of the royal family, his mother isn't a member of the royal family although she is the king's sister. Gustaf isn't in line to the throne and a common swede doesn't even know that he exists. Vicky Andrén is one of the most known and successful models in Sweden but she isn't Miss Slitz or something like that. She is a model, not glamour model.
Some of Vicky's latest works
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...0360729&type=1
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...4937645&type=3
The most common swedes don't read tabloids or gossip magazines or watch reality shows, they don't know about Sofia's past. And it seems that not all the photos of Sofia haven't been published in Sweden so far.
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:11 AM
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I really don't understand all this concern about the modelling Sofia did in the past. She wasn't a porn star, and she didn't commit a crime; all she did was allow her very beautiful body to be photographed. And now she's with her Prince she seems to be doing her best to behave the way someone who is with a Prince should act. The criticism of her mystifies me.

I agree with angieuk. I hope there is an engagement announcement soon and then a quick marriage. Then the past can be consigned to the past and royal watchers can concentrate on her waistline.
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:24 AM
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I just have no idea how on earth this is something that the Swedes and the rest of the world should be forced to find acceptable just because CP wants it to be that way.

This is someone who ministers will have to defer to by right of rank and someone who will end up living a lot better than someone who has worked at an honest job.
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:31 AM
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Can I ask you guys something?

If you we're to attend a dinner hosted by the Swedish royal family, would you bow to Sofia?
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Old 09-13-2013, 01:29 AM
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Can I ask you guys something?

If you we're to attend a dinner hosted by the Swedish royal family, would you bow to Sofia?
I know people here are very fond of their freedom of speech, but if it is a custom with the royal family for people to bow (i don't know it is) and you are a guest to their dinner... would you really be so rude as not bow to them?
If you value your opinion more than common decency, you should not go to the dinner
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Old 09-13-2013, 01:50 AM
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I would plead diplomatic protocol; apparently US citizens are restricted from bowing to a foreign leader in a form of deference that shows inferior status in regards to rank. US citizens are citizens, not subjects and are entitled to exemption from such deference.

Since the US doesn't have a legally reinforced class system we don't follow that protocol.
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:40 AM
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I wonder of the average Swede gets as worked up about Sofia and her past as the non-Swedish posters on this thread do? After all Swedish opinion is the only opinion that really matters here.
The average Swede probably doesn't give a hoot, as they don't care all that much about the monarchy in general. But I don't see why that is relevant for this forum. If only posters from a monarchy are allowed to comment on their own royals we may as well shut down this forum.
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Old 09-13-2013, 04:28 AM
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Can I ask you guys something?

If you we're to attend a dinner hosted by the Swedish royal family, would you bow to Sofia?
I think, only when you are a Swede, you should bow (or a foreign royal with less rank). I even do not know, whether somebody from the socialist Party (who claims since years, that Sweden shall become a republic) will bow at all.
But in theory you are also bowing to Queen Silvia and Prince Daniel, who both were commoners Prior to their wedding as well. The wedding made them to members of the Royal Family, same as what WOULD happen to Sofia once they are married...
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Old 09-13-2013, 04:33 AM
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Yes, that is how it works; Daniel is a prince and has the right to the prerogatives from those of lesser rank (including foreign royals) and it's debatable from others. The royals have their own code of behavior and behave accordingly.
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Old 09-13-2013, 06:03 AM
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Let´s assume that we were invited to a dinner with a Princess Sofia H.,we would certainly leave a bad impression if we did not follow the protocol, so if it was expected to bow to her, it should be done-regardless if I (or anyone) respects her or not.
When I am working I also have to talk and work with some people that I am not very fond of, but it would be highly unproffessional if I showed my true feelings.
Apart from that I completely agree with other posters who wrote that S.H can´t be compared to Vicky Andrén, Grace Kelly or Mabel Wisse Smit - I find it insulting to compare a photomodel, Hollywood actress or an acomplished intellectual lady to a soft-porn model.
If women make that sort of pictures like S.H it does not hurt anyone, but I hate it when they are presented like a new Mother Theresa...I will respect S.H if she manages to be discreet,stops talking to the press and when she shows that her charity work is more than just a PR-stunt. Disadvantaged children in Africa should not be instrumentalised and used to buy positive media reports.
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Old 09-13-2013, 06:22 AM
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I just have no idea how on earth this is something that the Swedes and the rest of the world should be forced to find acceptable just because CP wants it to be that way.
I agree.
Nobody is imo against her marrying CP or thinks he shouldnt because of her past. I am sure he can choose for himself and this is really their personal business.
What is discussed is her becoming a Duchess or a working member of the Swedish Royal Family. I wouldnt see a problem if she accepted to remain a private citizen. She would marry the man she loves and she would have a better life than many other people. Tbh, it wouldnt be this big sacrifice on her part unless she wants the title.
I also agree that everybody makes mistakes, but if a girl/boy did photos like she had done, she/he would have problems to find a job in many firms. I am not saying it's right or wrong but I guess S' suitability to be a working memeber of a royal family could be raised.

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And it seems that not all the photos of Sofia haven't been published in Sweden so far.
this is another point. They could be used later to raise another scandal and it could hurt the monarchy. I am sure the SRF could overcome the scandal again but is worth it?
Couldnt be better a situation where she remains a private citizen?
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Old 09-13-2013, 07:34 AM
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I'm Swedish. I can't say that I care too much about pictures taken of Sofia in the past. My biggest problem is her participation in Paradise Hotel. The concept of that show, for those who haven't seen it, is this:

Young men and women competes about who can remain on the hotel for the longest time. You are only allowed to stay if you find a roomate of the opposite sex every week. One person is sent home in every episode, and another one is chosen to join the game. It's not just implied that the new (and old) couples have sex -it's actually both filmed (although not always aired) and discussed more or less open on the show.

I have no idea how Sofia played the game. But just the fact that she chose to participate says something, and that something is what bothers me more than any of the pictures I've seen of her.

Does this mean that she can't marry Carl Philip? Of course not. But I would say that she has some way to go before I can take her seriously. The "Project Playground" is just ridiculous, IMO. Not the project itself, but her involvement. I would like her to step up to the plate and admit her past mistakes, not just pretend like they never happened. Mette-Marit set a good example to follow.

Like many people here, I see an engagement announcement coming up very soon. I hope she has the guts to admit her past mistakes and do something genuine and honest in the future. If she does, I would be fine with her as Carl Philips wife.
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:02 AM
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I'm Swedish. I can't say that I care too much about pictures taken of Sofia in the past. My biggest problem is her participation in Paradise Hotel. The concept of that show, for those who haven't seen it, is this:

Young men and women competes about who can remain on the hotel for the longest time. You are only allowed to stay if you find a roomate of the opposite sex every week. One person is sent home in every episode, and another one is chosen to join the game. It's not just implied that the new (and old) couples have sex -it's actually both filmed (although not always aired) and discussed more or less open on the show.

I have no idea how Sofia played the game. But just the fact that she chose to participate says something, and that something is what bothers me more than any of the pictures I've seen of her.

Does this mean that she can't marry Carl Philip? Of course not. But I would say that she has some way to go before I can take her seriously. The "Project Playground" is just ridiculous, IMO. Not the project itself, but her involvement. I would like her to step up to the plate and admit her past mistakes, not just pretend like they never happened. Mette-Marit set a good example to follow.

Like many people here, I see an engagement announcement coming up very soon. I hope she has the guts to admit her past mistakes and do something genuine and honest in the future. If she does, I would be fine with her as Carl Philips wife.
this is an appalling concept that's self-prostitution in it's purest form IMHO
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:12 AM
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Sofia's choices would not have been mine, but i believe in giving a person another chance to change
I'm going to refrain from further comment on the matter until P.Carl-Philip makes his next move, which will be either:
- end the relationship
- announce the engagement and move Sofia up in the royal family with flying colors (title etc)
- announce the engagement and with that announce the retirement out of the royal limelight
And what the response from the King and Queen and the Swedish government&people to that will be...

That is basically all that matters...
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:38 AM
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I'm Swedish. I can't say that I care too much about pictures taken of Sofia in the past. My biggest problem is her participation in Paradise Hotel. The concept of that show, for those who haven't seen it, is this:

Young men and women competes about who can remain on the hotel for the longest time. You are only allowed to stay if you find a roomate of the opposite sex every week. One person is sent home in every episode, and another one is chosen to join the game. It's not just implied that the new (and old) couples have sex -it's actually both filmed (although not always aired) and discussed more or less open on the show.

I have no idea how Sofia played the game. But just the fact that she chose to participate says something, and that something is what bothers me more than any of the pictures I've seen of her.

Does this mean that she can't marry Carl Philip? Of course not. But I would say that she has some way to go before I can take her seriously. The "Project Playground" is just ridiculous, IMO. Not the project itself, but her involvement. I would like her to step up to the plate and admit her past mistakes, not just pretend like they never happened. Mette-Marit set a good example to follow.

Like many people here, I see an engagement announcement coming up very soon. I hope she has the guts to admit her past mistakes and do something genuine and honest in the future. If she does, I would be fine with her as Carl Philips wife.
Wow, sounds seedy.
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:13 PM
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I would like her to step up to the plate and admit her past mistakes, not just pretend like they never happened. Mette-Marit set a good example to follow.

Like many people here, I see an engagement announcement coming up very soon. I hope she has the guts to admit her past mistakes and do something genuine and honest in the future. If she does, I would be fine with her as Carl Philips wife.
While comparing Mette-Marit and her apology and the possible one Sofia makes, there is one difference. Sofia has spoken to the press before of these "mistakes" she has made: her posing in provocative photos. being Miss Slitz and kissing with Jenna Jameson, which she thought was cool and a very memorable moment, Jenna Jameson wasn't bad.
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:16 PM
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While comparing Mette-Marit and her apology and the possible one Sofia makes, there is one difference. Sofia has spoken to the press before of these "mistakes" she has made: her posing in provocative photos and kissing with Jenna Jameson, which she thought was cool and a very memorable moment, Jenna Jameson wasn't bad.
She said kissing a porn star is cool??? In public and bragging about it? Yuck. I could care less if she does that, but she doesn't need to announce it.
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She said kissing a porn star is cool??? In public and bragging about it? Yuck. I could care less if she does that, but she doesn't need to announce it.
I can't believe she said that! How can she expect people to take her seriously? (Clutches pearls)

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Let´s assume that we were invited to a dinner with a Princess Sofia H.,we would certainly leave a bad impression if we did not follow the protocol, so if it was expected to bow to her, it should be done-regardless if I (or anyone) respects her or not.
When I am working I also have to talk and work with some people that I am not very fond of, but it would be highly unproffessional if I showed my true feelings.
Apart from that I completely agree with other posters who wrote that S.H can´t be compared to Vicky Andrén, Grace Kelly or Mabel Wisse Smit - I find it insulting to compare a photomodel, Hollywood actress or an acomplished intellectual lady to a soft-porn model.
If women make that sort of pictures like S.H it does not hurt anyone, but I hate it when they are presented like a new Mother Theresa...I will respect S.H if she manages to be discreet,stops talking to the press and when she shows that her charity work is more than just a PR-stunt. Disadvantaged children in Africa should not be instrumentalised and used to buy positive media reports.
I totally agree with that last part. Starving children in Africa will go on hungry after she leaves.

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I personally think that given her past, the title should be morganatic, like a countess or baroness, nothing at or above the title of Duchess. There HAVE to be limits and it should be that or CP step down. Sooner or later her photos will be all over the place and I am sure that it will create a lot of ugliness.
Your idea is very sound: )
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I actually believe people grow and learn over the years. A great deal of people out there have done or said things that they shouldn't have and have been on some very interesting journey's and experiences but I think there's more to Sofia than her past.

I think Carl Philip and his family have gotten to know her more personally and see her for who she is now and not hold her past against her as some have done through the tabloids and the internet. I think it really makes a difference to get to know someone personally and in an intimate way. I think if Sofia & Carl Philip became engaged officially and get married, the media and royal watchers on the net will get a chance to meet and get to know the real person and opinions will change.

If it happened to Camilla or Mette-Marit, it can happen for Sofia.
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The difference is, neither Mette nor Camilla made out with porn stars and I don't see this as going down well with even the liberal minded Swedes.

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Originally Posted by AristoCat I personally think that given her past, the title should be morganatic, like a countess or baroness, nothing at or above the title of Duchess. There HAVE to be limits and it should be that or CP step down. Sooner or later her photos will be all over the place and I am sure that it will create a lot of ugliness.
Your idea is very sound: )
Thank you; we'll find out if it is love or not once she finds out that she won't be making it to the title of princess.
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