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Old 03-27-2013, 04:32 PM
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The same arguments go round and round on this thread every couple of weeks. Obviously some people can never forget or forgive what Sofia (or presumably anyone) did in her younger days so she will never ever be acceptable to them. Sad really. Others are prepared to let by gones be by gones and let her move on with her life. I fall into the latter camp.
As do I. And it's not just this thread. I think you're right that some people seem inclined to hold people's mistakes or errors of judgment, or just things that are perfectly reasonable in many people's eyes but don't accord with their own moral views, against them forever, and others are prepared to look for the good in them and allow them to move on.

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Obviously his family know about her past and have not found it so repugnant that they have refused to be seen with her or associate with her. Time will tell if the relationship leads to marriage or not.
And this, to me, is what is important. If CP and his family accept Sofia, that is all that matters, for they know her and we don't.
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Old 03-27-2013, 06:49 PM
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The idea is basically that porn depicts sex, while glamour does not - the pictures taken in "glamour" shots may not be all that glamourous to you or I, but that's what it's called.

Unless Sofia has had photos taken of her engaging in an actual sex act she is not a porn model, she's a glamour model.

What's more is that I highly doubt photos taken of her at age 16 are (or were intended to be) porn. The age of consent for porn in most countries (including Sweden) is 18.
Concerning the discussion about the pictures-I just wanted to add that I have worked as a model when I was younger,however I donīt know any genre called "glamour".
We have different categories of pictures:editorial (for magazines),advertisement,fashion (like Vogue,Elle,womenīs magazins),portraits etc. We used to think in terms of fully-fashioned,semi-nude/topless,lingerie,artistic-nude (completely naked,but doesnīt focus on the sexual/erotic aspect but should be of artistic value) and nude models who pose for menīs magazines. These are some kind of labels that were used on models,but before Sofia I havenīt known the job description "glamour model"-maybe that is only used in Sweden.
!!!Again-there is nothing wrong with posing nude when that is your job and you need it to pay your rent & nobody should be ashamed of their body or afraid to show their beauty!!!

But I would say in this case:Letīs wait & see how Sofia will do in the future and how her charity organisation is going to work-hopefully it will be able to do lots of good & help many disadvantaged children,because I absolutely donīt like it when celebrities use poor people only to get some positive PR.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:05 AM
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I think it's a bit ridiculous to think you can look out for the best interest of a man you don't know because you think a woman that you also don't know isn't good enough for him. I would assume Carl Philip and his close family are more than capable of looking out for his best interests and they seem to have accepted Sofia and welcome her to family events.
Isn't this the royal forums where we talk about the royals we care to follow?? So I don't see how that's ridiculous. Just to clear it up, I don't hate Sofia. I have nothing against her. I just think she's unsuitable and her fame seeking is annoying. Of course my opinion doesn't matter in the span of things...but I'm gonna say it regardless
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:08 AM
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Isn't this the royal forums where we talk about the royals we care to follow?? So I don't see how that's ridiculous. Of course your welcome to your opinion and I'll have mine
Of course this is where we talk about royals we care to follow and of course you're entitled to your opinion. Just as I am entitled to the opinion that it's absurd to think you can "look out for someone's best interests" in regards to their love life when you don't know that person and you don't know the person they're dating.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:12 AM
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Of course this is where we talk about royals we care to follow and of course you're entitled to your opinion. Just as I am entitled to the opinion that it's absurd to think you can "look out for someone's best interests" in regards to their love life when you don't know that person and you don't know the person they're dating.
Well then you're right..I'm pretty ridiculous
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:13 AM
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!!!Again-there is nothing wrong with posing nude when that is your job and you need it to pay your rent & nobody should be ashamed of their body or afraid to show their beauty!!!
Sofia has had a normal family and she has had every opportunity to study and live a "normal" life. When she was sixteen and a minor, she didn't need to pose at the photos to pay her rent, it was her parents duty to take care if her.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:17 AM
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Sofia has had a normal family and she has had every opportunity to study and live a "normal" life. When she was sixteen and a minor, she didn't need to pose at the photos to pay her rent, it was her parents duty to take care if her.
And clearly they didn't and didn't guide her away from posing for those photos and she was obviously raised in a household that was open minded about nude photography and this lead her towards a choice that while controversial in some cultures, is also totally legal and doesn't harm anyone.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:21 AM
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And clearly they didn't and didn't guide her away from posing for those photos and she was obviously raised in a household that was open minded about nude photography and this lead her towards a choice that while controversial in some cultures, is also totally legal and doesn't harm anyone.
Love how you make excuses for Sofia. How do you even know her family was okay with the pictures? I don't care what country you're in, who would be ok with their 16 year old daughter posing nude!
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:25 AM
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Love how you make excuses for Sofia. How do you even know her family was okay with the pictures? I don't care what country you're in, who would be ok with their 16 year old daughter posing nude!
Because she was interviewed about it and quoted as saying her mother encouraged her to do the shoots.

And I don't think I have to make excuses for Sofia. I don't know her, or anything about her beyond what is presented in the media. I just don't happen to believe in judging and shaming people for the rest of their lives over something they did when they were young that harmed no one and was not illegal.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:34 AM
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I just don't happen to believe in judging and shaming people for the rest of their lives over something they did when they were young that harmed no one and was not illegal.
Nicely put!
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:38 AM
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Because she was interviewed about it and quoted as saying her mother encouraged her to do the shoots.

And I don't think I have to make excuses for Sofia. I don't know her, or anything about her beyond what is presented in the media. I just don't happen to believe in judging and shaming people for the rest of their lives over something they did when they were young that harmed no one and was not illegal.
Oh really? Did her mother realize it was a nude shoot?

I'm not judging and shaming her. I have no right to do that. I could honestly overlook the photos. It's her overall desire for fame that disgusts me. I'm disgusted with people like that.

And I don't know anything about Carl Philip, but I think he should be with someone who's with him for more than the fame. That's what I mean by best interests. I don't even know you and I would want the best for you.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:49 AM
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Oh really? Did her mother realize it was a nude shoot?

I'm not judging and shaming her. I have no right to do that. I could honestly overlook the photos. It's her overall desire for fame that disgusts me. I'm disgusted with people like that.

And I don't know anything about Carl Philip, but I think he should be with someone who's with him for more than the fame. That's what I mean by best interests. I don't even know you and I would want the best for you.
You don't know that she isn't with Carl Philip for more than the fame. The thing about the various members of royal families is that they are used to people wanting to use them. Carl Philip has been raised his whole life in an environment where most of the people he meets will want something from him. It's one of the downsides of having such an extremely privileged background. Most of the people raised that way develop very good instincts about who cares about them and who doesn't.

He's lived with her for three years. If there was nothing in that relationship, he'd know by now. They must have stuff in common and truly enjoy being together or they wouldn't be able to maintain a workable relationship.

And I guess I also don't look down on people for wanting to be wealthy and famous. Yes, it's superficial, but a lot of people fantasize about attaining that at some point in their lives. She just happened to have the right looks for modeling and was the right age during a time when reality tv was really hitting its stride and making fame super accessible for people with the right look.

I think that kind of television is asinine, but I don't typically look down on the participants. If people didn't want to watch it, it wouldn't exist.
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IMHO very incorrect, as Carl Philip's last name happens to be not Svensson but Bernadotte... and incorrect also because the Swedish people finance at least part of his and his girlfriend's life.
And the Swedish people do not get to decide whom he marries or doesn't marry. And another thing, the Swedish people don't seem to give a crap; the only people who are stuck on Sofia's past are people on this board spouting the same thing year after year after year.
And I also agree it is ridiculous to say you are looking out for the interest of a man you don't know. The people who should and are looking out for him are his family and friends, not some random whose closest contact with him is in a magazine or on the Internet.
And for the record I admire Khloe an Kourtney Kardashian and feel they are leaps and bounds above Paris Hilton, as is Sofia. Just because she posed naked of pictures years ago doesn't equate her to Paris Hilton.
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Old 03-29-2013, 03:06 AM
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And for the record I admire Khloe an Kourtney Kardashian and feel they are leaps and bounds above Paris Hilton, as is Sofia. Just because she posed naked of pictures years ago doesn't equate her to Paris Hilton.
I also like Khloe and Kourtney, but nobody was talking about them. I think I made a reference to Kim. But you completely left Kim out because we both know Sofia is not leaps and bounds, as you say, above her. Sofia likes fame and the nude pics were part of the journey towards it. Why you people gloss over the fact I'll never know.

Overall, if Carl Philip wants to be with Sofia then fine, but she shouldn't be given the Princess title. Not that my opinion matters, but that's just how I feel.
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And clearly they didn't and didn't guide her away from posing for those photos and she was obviously raised in a household that was open minded about nude photography and this lead her towards a choice that while controversial in some cultures, is also totally legal and doesn't harm anyone.
There are nude photos for art like famous models have done (Naomi Campbell or Carla Bruni) and there are sexually provocative photos for the trash or glamour market, that Sofia has done, as a minor.

I dont mind nudity, but what I do mind what Sofia has done in the past, with only one aim: being famous.

In England there is a saying that you can take a girl out of chav town but you can't take chav town out of a girl, and this is what I think every time I see Sofia out and about the royal family, I am having a laugh every time I see her try so hard but in the end to no avail.
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[QUOTE=Duke of Marmalade;1533449]There are nude photos for art like famous models have done (Naomi Campbell or Carla Bruni) and there are sexually provocative photos for the trash or glamour market, that Sofia has done, as a minor.

I dont mind nudity, but what I do mind what Sofia has done in the past, with only one aim: being famous.
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This is what you call artistic nude,it is a special genre of photography and I must say that I like that kind of images,for instance Man Rayīs nudes are a wonderful example.I also enjoy Egon Schiele or other expressive paintings that are depicting the human body in an aestethic way,but Playboy and Penthouse or similiar magazines are not my taste because I am a woman and I donīt like women being shown off as only sexual objects. With Carla Bruni oder Naomiīs shots you can see that they are strong,independent women and the pictures are interesting to look at.They and the photographers who took the images can be proud of their work, because it is an image that is unconventional and beautiful.I like photographs to be beautiful and inspiring,I despise that page 3-girl look,but I am not a man so that kind of images was not made for me.
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Because she was interviewed about it and quoted as saying her mother encouraged her to do the shoots.
As a mother, I can NOT imagine a situation, where I would/could encourage my 17-year old daughter to pose in nude photos....
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As a mother, I can NOT imagine a situation, where I would/could encourage my 17-year old daughter to pose in nude photos....
Certainly not!

I was quite a 'wild' child, when I was young in the 70th and 80th, but I took great care that there where NO photos of me in any dubious situation ... and that was WAY before the Internet, Mobile phone (without camera) and so on...

I miss any amount of common sense in those publicity searching people.
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Well,maybe her mother was not the best person to raise a girl-just look at some celebrity mothers and what they do with their child,it drives me mad.Like buying them all the designer stuff and never telling them "enough is enough","there are less fortunate people than you-keep that in mind", or "I love you,but you are not the center of the universe!"
A nude model from UK said in an interview that she would encourage her daughter to get a breast surgery when she is 16 or do plastic surgery...so mothers obviously donīt always know best ;-)
Sofia listened to her mother and tried hard to be a succesful erotic model, and from a neutral point of view,her pictures are good (meaning:they sell well and they are what is expected in Slitz & such magazines!).So in that way she was doing her job well...
But I hope- no matter what she will do in her future-that she will get her advice from other women,maybe Victoria or Silvia,because I think they are better role models for young girls/women! They are studying hard,working for the society and do a wonderful job as mothers and royals, so if Sofia decides to emulate their behaviour & working ethos, she canīt do much wrong:-)
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That's very true. In some cases mother isn't always right. Some celeb moms and others act more like their friend or big sister than their parent. Because of this, their children have often run into problems because of this. Not good.

In the case of Sofia, what is done has been done and you can't change the past.
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