Press Reports about Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 1: Jan. 2010 - April 2012


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A woman sexual indiscretions are never totally forgotten. The same is true if she poses nude. Most women who pose nude do so for the money. They don't do it for their health or well-being nor do they do so for the betterment of mankind. If they weren't paid a lot of money to pose nude, they wouldn't.

If an American Presidental candidate was dating or became serious with a woman who had posed nude, it would be a major political issue and he would probably not win the election. If he was married to her, forget about even being President. When it comes to world leaders, leaders in one's country or royalty, there is a certain standard of what is acceptable. Posing nude is not one of them.
 
When it comes to world leaders, leaders in one's country or royalty, there is a certain standard of what is acceptable. Posing nude is not one of them.

Some one should tell Carla Bruni-Sarkozy.
 
The Bruni-Sarkosys are an embarrassing and narcisstic lot. The constant rumours of incorrect goings on makes it not any better and the only good thing about the situation is that it is not lifelong and not hereditary... Same goes for Italy. Both countries are degenerating politically, financally and as far as the state of the people goes. These cases show the limits of democraty.
In my opininon there is quite a bit of a difference between a nude model with a strong tendency to vertical mobility and a woman who, in an unhappy patch of her live took drugs and the wrong man, got a child and consequently over the nonsense and pulled herself together again. The first is in business, the latter just a woman with enough inner strenght to master a down phase in life.
Anyway, it is up to the swedish people how much they want to finance a band of playboys and playgirls having a jolly good time at the peoples expenses.
 
I'm confused by your post Lorette, what are you actually trying to say?
 
If an American Presidental candidate was dating or became serious with a woman who had posed nude, it would be a major political issue and he would probably not win the election. If he was married to her, forget about even being President. When it comes to world leaders, leaders in one's country or royalty, there is a certain standard of what is acceptable. Posing nude is not one of them.

You know who won Ted Kennedy seat in the senate when he died? A republican who posed nude for a magazine, and does posing nude make him a worse politician than one who didn't? The people didn't think so.

And then as some has said before me we have Bruni who apart from posing nude many times she did a tv programme which is better not to talk about if we don't want Sarko after us; Bruni can be criticised for many things but I doubt that anyone would question her suitability to be first dame because some photos.

In my opininon there is quite a bit of a difference between a nude model with a strong tendency to vertical mobility and a woman who, in an unhappy patch of her live took drugs and the wrong man, got a child and consequently over the nonsense and pulled herself together again. The first is in business, the latter just a woman with enough inner strenght to master a down phase in life.
Anyway, it is up to the swedish people how much they want to finance a band of playboys and playgirls having a jolly good time at the peoples expenses.

Do we know if the other princesses had a strong tendency to vertical mobility? Are we sure that Sophie has it? Imo that's just suppositions but I would not put my hand in the fire for any of them, and if we did know all about the royals I'm sure that we would have some unhappy surprises.

Can we be sure that Sophie past is just not a rebel patch? Wathever she did in her past she can also do also a 180 turn and be the perfect stepford wife. Imo all the princes were considered playboys until they married formed an apparently perfect family and had children. I will wait and in a couple of years if CP decides to marry her I'm sure that everyone will say that it is so brave of him to marry for love and she is so courageous to endure the media's pressure...
 
The nudity photos are one thing, but that she did the TV show and had in the docu soap the role of a hypocritical person, and that she is now in this Best&Brightest club of that business lady and studying UN children rights adds to a picture.
If this would be a Soap Opera she would be definitely the golddigger.

However this is life and she might be really a kind person and really into charity. She does deserve the benefit of a doubt, but also some critical views IMO.
 
For me as a Swede I don´t have anything againt Sofia´s nude pics that I can accept but I can´t accept that tv-show Paradise hotel where it goes out to share room with a guy too stay. I never saw that show but I have heard that she didn´t sleep with any of the guys on the show.

My concerns about Sofia is if she did that show and got some fame, she can do anything to get fame and what´s not better too get involvd with a Swedish prince. My question is does she relly love him or is she just out for the fame
 
:previous: Very valid points.

I think everyone make mistakes and we shouldn't judge too harshly.

I mean, when she did the nude photos and the television show (of which I don't have access to) did she look in her crystal ball and know that she was going to meet and date Prince Carl Phillip and maybe she shouldn't make those choices? I don't know. On the other hand, there are people you date and people you marry and unfortunately for some, sometimes they are not the same people. And I would question anyone who did a reality show because lets face it...people who do those type of shows now are looking to be famous. If you did that show when it first came out you were looking for a new adventure. People know the deal with reality shows now.....everyone is looking for their 15 minutes of fame and a little fortune. Jade Goody made 10 million pounds before she died! It can be done.

I do know that royalty should have an air of mystery, a bit of glamour, a bit of indifference but not in a snobbish way (they shouldn't be like you and me cause really if they are then what is the point), and should perform good deeds for their country.

If she can do all that than thats great. As already pointed out....as Victoria and Daniel become more suited to their roles, and when Victoria becomes Queen and have children, the lives of Madeline and Carl Phillip will not receive as much attention. It happened in England with Andrew, Anne and Edward, it happened in the Netherlands with Beatrix's sisters, with WA's brothers, etc. it will happen here.
 
But with a body like hers, she could get all the fame she wanted without dating a prince, couldn't she?
 
What do you mean by with a body like hers???
Myself and my friends are slim with bodies like Sofia and that doesn't mean paparazzi are hounding us! Hollywood is all around me and one thing I know is that if you want to be seen and if you try really hard to be "seen" then you will be seen. Even if its only for 15 minutes.

I worry too about whether or not she really likes him or just fame. I've met reality show stars who wanted nothing else but to be famous.
 
What do you mean by with a body like hers???
Myself and my friends are slim with bodies like Sofia and that doesn't mean paparazzi are hounding us! Hollywood is all around me and one thing I know is that if you want to be seen and if you try really hard to be "seen" then you will be seen. Even if its only for 15 minutes.

Well I've never seen you and your friends, but Sofia has one hell of a body, and some very good looks. She wouldn't need CP for fame, when she could just as easily get it without him.
Royal fame, if you could call it that, comes with very heavy draw backs.
 
My concerns about Sofia is if she did that show and got some fame, she can do anything to get fame and what´s not better too get involvd with a Swedish prince. My question is does she relly love him or is she just out for the fame

You talk sense and I agree 100% with you.:flowers: Time will tell...
 
Well I've never seen you and your friends, but Sofia has one hell of a body, and some very good looks. She wouldn't need CP for fame, when she could just as easily get it without him.
Royal fame, if you could call it that, comes with very heavy draw backs.

There's a lot of slim women, with very nice bodies and features out there. Especially where I live, but that doesn't mean each and every one of them has fame because of their looks. Obviously CP has helped her fame because I, and lots of other people, have never heard of her until she started dating him. Whether we like it or not, CP has taken her fame to another level. She might have been well known because of the reality show, but now lots of people know her because of the prince. I respect your opinion, but the notion that her body will give her fame doesn't make sense to me.
 
There's a lot of slim women, with very nice bodies and features out there. Especially where I live, but that doesn't mean each and every one of them has fame because of their looks. Obviously CP has helped her fame because I, and lots of other people, have never heard of her until she started dating him. Whether we like it or not, CP has taken her fame to another level. She might have been well known because of the reality show, but now lots of people know her because of the prince. I respect your opinion, but the notion that her body will give her fame doesn't make sense to me.

I never said that she has fame because if her body, but if she had not met CP, i'm sure she'd find a way of "staying alive" and her looks would help her with that.

Well if you can call letting some royal fans know about her as fame then yeah, but I wouldn't. We just know about her, she's not famous in my eyes. She's done nothing to be famous for.
 
I don't know about all of you, but IMHO Sophia looks like a real oppurtunist, she just shouts it out loud without saying it...
 
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I never said that she has fame because if her body, but if she had not met CP, i'm sure she'd find a way of "staying alive" and her looks would help her with that.

Well if you can call letting some royal fans know about her as fame then yeah, but I wouldn't. We just know about her, she's not famous in my eyes. She's done nothing to be famous for.

I get what you're saying now.
True, being pretty does allow some advantages, which makes me wonder how far Sofia would've gone with this fame thing had she not met the prince. She's not famous to me either. Heck no! But she is somewhat known now because of PCP.

I can't stand opportunist!!
I sincerely hope she isn't because they always get whats coming to them.
 
Well if she hadn't met the Prince, she wouldn't have us and his family to worry about what she would be using her looks for now would she?
 
Well I'm sure she used her looks for PCP.
I highly doubt it was her intellect.
 
Well we don't know that for certain, she might have degress in anything from Politics to Atomical Structures.
 
lol...one ting thats on his mind when he met her was sex...i mean he wasnt looking for intectual stimulation....
 
lol...one ting thats on his mind when he met her was sex...i mean he wasnt looking for intectual stimulation....

That's rather a rude point to make, your saying that all CP was thinking about with this girl is sex, and that IMO is totally unfair on his part.
You have no idea what he was thinking when he met her. If she was just a one night stand, we wouldn't know about her would we?
 
well i meant physical attraction and nothing more......but i dont think he will marry her...he doesnt look like he is at a point to settle
 
I am curious as to where this idea that Sophia is dumb comes from?

I know she was on a reality TV show, so may I ask the Swede members: did she come off as an airhead? Is her stupidity actually documented?
Or is this just some misogynistic assumption that a woman who is sexually provocative cannot possibly have anything to offer beside her body?

If so, good to see that chauvinistic prejudices are alive and well.
 
i dont think she is dumb...i dont know where you got that from....but i was saying i doubtt hat when he met her ....he was thinking of conjuring up and intellectual conversation with her
 
Well Sophia herself said when she's at a bar, club or whatever, she knows how to "pick up" a guy or girl. She obviously knows how to use seduction. She met the prince at a club, so I'm sure she knew how to pick up him up too and I doubt they were talking about astrophysics at the time;).

Oh and by the way, who said Sophia is dumb??
I don't recall anyone saying that;).
 
i dont think she is dumb...i dont know where you got that from....but i was saying i doubtt hat when he met her ....he was thinking of conjuring up and intellectual conversation with her

What your saying implies that Sophia can't strike up an intellectual conversation, which in turn means she's dumb or not clever if you want to be PC about it.
 
^thank you Lumutqueen.

These posters have made posts clearly implying that the only reason Carl is with this girl is for sex than act all surprised when I ask them why they think she's dumb.

Did her good looks get her the Prince's attention? Duh!
The first thing anybody is judged on is appearances. I would not flirt with anybody I didn't find attractive. But good looks only carry you through the first five minutes. After that, personality and conversation start to matter.
I have never got the vibe from Carl that he is a man who objectify women and would be happy to be with someone that has nothing to offer but sex so I would assume he is still with her because he likes her company and her personality. If not, then he's as much an 'intellectual' as she is.

My point: It's a given they were first attracted to each other based on looks, but now that they are actually a couple I think we can drop the lewd insinuations and stop the gratuitous digs against Sofia.
 
These posters have made posts clearly implying that the only reason Carl is with this girl is for sex than act all surprised when I ask them why they think she's dumb.

Did her good looks get her the Prince's attention? Duh!
The first thing anybody is judged on is appearances. I would not flirt with anybody I didn't find attractive. But good looks only carry you through the first five minutes. After that, personality and conversation start to matter.
I have never got the vibe from Carl that he is a man who objectify women and would be happy to be with someone that has nothing to offer but sex so I would assume he is still with her because he likes her company and her personality. If not, then he's as much an 'intellectual' as she is.

My point: It's a given they were first attracted to each other based on looks, but now that they are actually a couple I think we can drop the lewd insinuations and stop the gratuitous digs against Sofia.

Speak for yourself, because you cannot speak for other posters.
Is he with her solely for sex? I don't know. Please do not take what I'm saying and twist it around. If you don't understand something I said, just ask me. I'll gladly tell you.

You said exactly what I was saying. That her looks is what got CP. That is what everyone sees first. I am surprised that you used dumb because no one said she was dumb. Use another word because I would never call someone dumb. It's rude and unnecessary. If you read the previous posts you would see that the whole topic of Sophia's intelligence stemmed from the fact that lumutqueen said she would use her looks to survive. Which is true...I don't blame a pretty girl for using her looks to get somewhere in life. As long as she's not hurting anyone in the process. What I said was that I'm sure her looks had lots to with snagging the prince. Whether we like it or not, he obviously liked the way she looked at first. I'm sure the stimulating conversation came next, but at first it was the looks. At least that's how it is on Planet Earth. No ones bashing her, at least I'm not, but whether anyone agrees with me or not, I will state my opinions about CP's love life (in accordance with the TRF rules). I mean this is the Royal Forums after all.
 
Speak for yourself, because you cannot speak for other posters.
Is he with her solely for sex? I don't know. Please do not take what I'm saying and twist it around. If you don't understand something I said, just ask me. I'll gladly tell you.

You said exactly what I was saying. That her looks is what got CP. That is what everyone sees first. I am surprised that you used dumb because no one said she was dumb. Use another word because I would never call someone dumb. It's rude and unnecessary. If you read the previous posts you would see that the whole topic of Sophia's intelligence stemmed from the fact that lumutqueen said she would use her looks to survive. Which is true...I don't blame a pretty girl for using her looks to get somewhere in life. As long as she's not hurting anyone in the process. What I said was that I'm sure her looks had lots to with snagging the prince. Whether we like it or not, he obviously liked the way she looked at first. I'm sure the stimulating conversation came next, but at first it was the looks. At least that's how it is on Planet Earth. No ones bashing her, at least I'm not, but whether anyone agrees with me or not, I will state my opinions about CP's love life (in accordance with the TRF rules). I mean this is the Royal Forums after all.

Unfortunately, a lot of members on this site get carried away and twist words around and read way too much into some things.

As far as Sophia goes, I think she's questionable to say the least. I found it tacky when late last year she wrote on Twitter, "Here's a secret - I'm dating the prince!" This was before it was revealed in the papers. It came off as someone who wanted to brag to the world that she was with a prince. I also remember reading when she bragged about kissing pornstar Jenna Jameson - classy. She just really comes off as someone who likes to name-drop. And then of course there was the reality show. Let's be honest - people only go on reality shows to get a little fame.

In any case, CP can be with whomever he chooses and if he thinks this is the best he can do, then so be it.
 
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