Press Reports about Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 1: Jan. 2010 - April 2012


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:previous: Are we really going down that road?

How can CP feel mistreated, disowned, etc about something that happened when he was a child almost an infant/toddler? Its not like he was treated the same way the Princesses Elizabeth/Mary who were disowned after Henry VIII divorced their mothers called the Ladies Elizabeth/Mary and were forced to either wait on people, wear hand me down clothes, and literally lost money, palaces, places of honor, etc. He knows no difference.

Although to be honest, if this is his mindset (and there is no proof that there is just your opinion) that might show that he cares more about himself than the future of the Swedish monarchy. And let's be real, you can't even compare a gym teacher to someone who has taken nude pictures with a snake or appeared on a reality show! The past and careers of Sofia and Daniel are like Apples and Oranges.
 
Why on earth should he now still behave as if he was the one the monarchy's future is depending on? The Swedes didn't want his wife to be their future queen and his child to be heir of the crown so why bother who is his wife and who is the mother of his child? After Victoria was allowed to marry her health instructor (and I love these two love birds!) he can now really choose whoever he wants to. And if he loves an ex-stripper and she loves him, why not? Especially when Victoria's child is born and he is not longer the next in line after her.

CP still represents the country and is still is living off taxpayer's money via the King's apanage. If he gives back his title he can basically do what he wants but I doubt he will, its rather that the SRF will try to groom and whitewash Sofia instead. They may get away with it but overall but it wont make the institution more popular.
 
I´ve heard it before

Sofia is already known well by her visible actions - and the infamous snake picture is rather conservative compared to what else is circulating in the net. While MM's drug past pictures were private ones that were being digged up by "friends" for the media to publish, Sofia went PUBLIC promoting herself in quite a shameless way from day one in order to get attention and make money. That does say something about a person's character, doesnt it.

No matter if they put her into charity events, take her on holiday or will eventually fix her teeth and then claim that she was young and needed the money, the attention seeking testemony will remain there to stay forever.

Rascal - great remark :flowers:

All royals have not exactly lived a perfect life either - it should be remembered. Drug addiction and snake pictures - what could damage the most, what is most dangerous? Incredibly well done anyway to get out of an addiction to drugs. There must be a lot of support and love behind the fight. I admire anyone who fights against the wind and manage to get on. What I respond to is that in advance of any engagement announcement, judging a person hanging out with Prince Carl Philip as hard. The person who has has made no failure in their lives don´t exists not and, if there are one, he/she have not lived. And the people I look up to most are those who realize that they lived failure and is able to correct their lives and do something that got better. Those who only criticize have not come very far with themselves.

Sweden is a country where the royal family must admit to the Christian Protestant faith. In it we learn the following: "Do not judge others, and you shall not yourself be judged."
 
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Exactly!

I believe that if any prince has a right to do exactly as he pleases it is Carl Philip of Sweden. The parliament of his home country took away his birthright after he had been born to it - as much as I like CP Victoria and as much as I'M for equal opportunities, Carl Philip still has any right IMHO to feel beraved, mistreated and disowned.

Why on earth should he now still behave as if he was the one the monarchy's future is depending on? The Swedes didn't want his wife to be their future queen and his child to be heir of the crown so why bother who is his wife and who is the mother of his child? After Victoria was allowed to marry her health instructor (and I love these two love birds!) he can now really choose whoever he wants to. And if he loves an ex-stripper and she loves him, why not? Especially when Victoria's child is born and he is not longer the next in line after her.

Very vise and well written!
 
Whether people like it or not, something is telling me Sofia is here to stay and she and Carl Philip will eventually marry.
 
I believe that if any prince has a right to do exactly as he pleases it is Carl Philip of Sweden. The parliament of his home country took away his birthright after he had been born to it - as much as I like CP Victoria and as much as I'M for equal opportunities, Carl Philip still has any right IMHO to feel beraved, mistreated and disowned.

Why on earth should he now still behave as if he was the one the monarchy's future is depending on? The Swedes didn't want his wife to be their future queen and his child to be heir of the crown so why bother who is his wife and who is the mother of his child? After Victoria was allowed to marry her health instructor (and I love these two love birds!) he can now really choose whoever he wants to. And if he loves an ex-stripper and she loves him, why not? Especially when Victoria's child is born and he is not longer the next in line after her.

OK, that's a point of view I can support to 99%. The 1% I don't support is the word "ex-stripper". Because that's definitely not right.

And yes, he definitely did get mistreaded and disowned IMO. That has nothing to do with age. If someone steals a baby what is rightfully his it's just as bad as if this something would be stolen from a grown man. In Norway they didn't steal the birthright from Haakon because he was already old enough to know what would have been taken away from him. But it was (and still is) Haakons birthright to be king just as it was Carl Philips. And it would also be mistreating and disowing if they suddenly make a step backwards in Norway, Belgium, Netherlands, etc. Than it would be mistreating and disowning of Ingrid, Elisabeth and Amalia. Anyway, all this is completely senseless for Sweden because I remember that this special point has never been a problem between Victoria and Carl Philip. Both said it numerous times. But this not being a problem doesn't change a fact.
 
We have to remember, that Swedish government proposed the female line of succession already when Victoria was 5 months old, on December 1977 to the swedish parliament/Riksdagen.
Proposition 1977/78:71 om kvinnlig tronföljd - Riksdagen
But there had to be an election before the proposition could be accepted. The proposition was accepted and became valid 1st January 1980.
 
All royals have not exactly lived a perfect life either - it should be remembered. Drug addiction and snake pictures - what could damage the most, what is most dangerous? Incredibly well done anyway to get out of an addiction to drugs. There must be a lot of support and love behind the fight. I admire anyone who fights against the wind and manage to get on. What I respond to is that in advance of any engagement announcement, judging a person hanging out with Prince Carl Philip as hard. The person who has has made no failure in their lives don´t exists not and, if there are one, he/she have not lived. And the people I look up to most are those who realize that they lived failure and is able to correct their lives and do something that got better. Those who only criticize have not come very far with themselves.

Sweden is a country where the royal family must admit to the Christian Protestant faith. In it we learn the following: "Do not judge others, and you shall not yourself be judged."

Maybe you need to schedule a training session with your pastor - as you seem to do quite a bit of judging yourself.

But back to the issue at hand - while a few of the posters here keep "encouraging" others who post a criticism to "give Sofia a break" or "not judge" her, maybe we can talk about a different issue.

All countries have some sort of tax that pays for the president/PM/monarch. What is the expectation for that money? Different people have different opinions. AFAIK only the King receives money and then distributes that among his family. I understand that he pays taxes on the tax money which is used to fund his "salary" but must the people of Sweden then ignore anything beyond that?
Is it acceptable if the King possibly used money from taxpayers to tip dancers/waitresses in the alleged "scandal" that has still not produced any proof?
Is it acceptable for him to buy a new car?
Is it acceptable for Silvia/Victoria/Madeleine to buy a new dress or jewelry?
Is it acceptable for Sofia to live rent-free in state/royal properties?
What is the acceptable amount of "work" required before CP is earning his money?
Do the Swedes consider there to be any value in their investment in the royal family?

The fact that this type of discussion did not happen with any of the previous relationships of the siblings indicates that on some level, Emma, Jonas, and Daniel were all acceptable if not necessarily the best candidates to marry into the royal family or be involved with the royal siblings.

The fact that it is happening with Sofia means that something about her, her behavior, or her past choices are calling into question her acceptability to benefit by association, and ultimately her suitability to be a part of the family.
 
All countries have some sort of tax that pays for the president/PM/monarch. What is the expectation for that money? Different people have different opinions. AFAIK only the King receives money and then distributes that among his family. I understand that he pays taxes on the tax money which is used to fund his "salary" but must the people of Sweden then ignore anything beyond that?
Is it acceptable if the King possibly used money from taxpayers to tip dancers/waitresses in the alleged "scandal" that has still not produced any proof?
Is it acceptable for him to buy a new car?
Is it acceptable for Silvia/Victoria/Madeleine to buy a new dress or jewelry?
Is it acceptable for Sofia to live rent-free in state/royal properties?
What is the acceptable amount of "work" required before CP is earning his money?
Do the Swedes consider there to be any value in their investment in the royal family?

I'm not quite sure I understand why this is here? :ermm:

The fact that this type of discussion did not happen with any of the previous relationships of the siblings indicates that on some level, Emma, Jonas, and Daniel were all acceptable if not necessarily the best candidates to marry into the royal family or be involved with the royal siblings.

The fact that it is happening with Sofia means that something about her, her behavior, or her past choices are calling into question her acceptability to benefit by association, and ultimately her suitability to be a part of the family.

Weren't both Daniel and Jonas question marks for the royal family at one stage? Not because they posed with a snake or snogged a porn star but for other reasons?

Her past is less than good, she's a questionable person, whose motives will always be questioned - but can't that be said for any commoner who's married a royal? Even in the slightest way, every commoner has something wrong with them big or small and please please please don't take this as me comparing Sofia to other people, it's a generalisation. I doubt this relationship would have lasted this long without a royal 'fuss' if it had not been discussed and partially approved by Silvia and CG.

If the swedes are happy, then I see no problem in Sofia marrying CP.
 
:previous:I totally agree, Lumutqueen, and I'll admit I am a bit of a prude (but only for myself --- try my darndest not to judge others.) I'm sure neither the King nor the Queen would dare object to Sofia's past; what with all the King's scandals and the Queen not saying anything about it.
 
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All countries have some sort of tax that pays for the president/PM/monarch. What is the expectation for that money? Different people have different opinions. AFAIK only the King receives money and then distributes that among his family. I understand that he pays taxes on the tax money which is used to fund his "salary" but must the people of Sweden then ignore anything beyond that?
Is it acceptable if the King possibly used money from taxpayers to tip dancers/waitresses in the alleged "scandal" that has still not produced any proof?
Is it acceptable for him to buy a new car?
Is it acceptable for Silvia/Victoria/Madeleine to buy a new dress or jewelry?
Is it acceptable for Sofia to live rent-free in state/royal properties?
What is the acceptable amount of "work" required before CP is earning his money?
Do the Swedes consider there to be any value in their investment in the royal family?


I'm not quite sure I understand why this is here? :ermm:

@Lumutqueen:

This is here because there isn't a thread called "Royals and tax money". If there would be a thread like this this issue wouldn't always pop up in other threads.

@Rascal:

Have you ever seen a bill or why are you so sure they bought these things from tax money? Jewelry and clothes to look good on official duty shouldn't be held against them. A car and tip money could very well be paid from private money. Because the swedish tax system is not their only money scource. They have proberty and money through centurys of inherence that have nothing to do with tax money. And what makes you think that Sofia lives rent free (in a house that is not state or royal proberty as far as I know)? Was there a statement to that somewhere? How do we know that she doesn't pay her share for the house she and CP rented? And even if she doesn't do it how do we know if CP doesn't pay the rent from proberty money or inherence money? Because if this is the case no-one has a right to object. And Sofia paying or not paying her share is just an issue between those two. I'm not saying it is like I wrote. Because I don't know more than you do. I just wrote this to show you (and others) that there's always more than one possibility. Tax money is just one of them. It's not the only one.
 
Very good Rascal! :flowers:

I´m torn between laughing and feel pity for the SRF.
Monarchies are losing more and more their exclusivity. And with the possible marriage of CP and Sofia it´s also a laughingstock.
No wonder that old nobility looks down on the RF.
 
:previous: I can just sit here and shake my head at this. Really, what are you all expecting from the royal families? A cinderella-, snowwhite-, sleeping beauty-way of life? Royalty has never been like that. It has always been a a lifestyle of being the biggest fish in a pond full of sharks. And it also always has been about getting the own pond bigger by stealing the water from other ponds. Royalty was always a political war ful of people who were greedy for power, money and proberty. And IMO it's a very good thing that they're losing more and more of their exclusivity and start to live more with their subjects and not above them. That they start to see that they're just human too and not gods in human form.

And why are we always getting into debates of principles in this thread? It's really getting annoying lately.
 
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Royalty was always a political war ful of people who were greedy for power, money and proberty.

Well, then Sofia fits in :D

And why are we always getting into debates of principles in this thread? It's really getting annoying lately.

Sofia provocates this, sorry.
 
One day I was talking to a friend who has teenage daughters. He was saying how it was difficult nowadays to tell his daughters that they have to study hard, go to good universities and find interesting and rewarding jobs (itellectually and financially) when young girls half naked in reality shows, singing sexy groups, models and so on make sooooo much money. If he lived in Sweden he would have to worry a bit more. It seems a "glamour" model mieven be able to turn to be a princess!
Anyway, Prince Carl Philip (the SRF and the Swedes) could care less about my opinion on whom he should marry or any matter at all. But I can still think to myself what a disappointment to me he is because of his choices in life.
If he marries this young woman and her image is improved enough, there will even be a thread here about Princess Sofia's fashion choices and the world will go on as always.
And I am sure there are plenty of people thinking right now how wonderful Prince Carl Philip has fallen in love with a beautiful girl, what a beautiful fairy tale is their romance and how bitter and full of prejudice the world can be.... The good thing is his marriage won't affect my life a little bit in spite of the annoyance eventual prospects may have provoked !
 
And IMO it's a very good thing that they're losing more and more of their exclusivity and start to live more with their subjects and not above them. That they start to see that they're just human too and not gods in human form.

In the moment a royal family becomes equal with their subjects but still keeping their huge privileges at the same time its time to call it a day on "monarchy".
 
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Duke of Marmalade, you are exactly right.

Why bother with the cost of a monarchy, when you can have Kim Kardashian wearing a tiara as your "princess?"

The line between realty TV/Hollywood and certain Royalties becomes more blurred by the minute.

With these standards, I honestly do not see the point of monarchy any more.
 
:previous: If you are a citizen of the US, not a lot. But if, like me, your head of state is royal, then it's a whole different ballgame.

Right or wrong, I love my Royal Family and I am sure the same can be said for a very large percentage of Swedes for their Royal Family!

The point or pointlessness of any Royal Family will always be the concern of it's people and everyone else is irrelevant.
 
CP still represents the country and is still is living off taxpayer's money via the King's apanage. If he gives back his title he can basically do what he wants but I doubt he will, its rather that the SRF will try to groom and whitewash Sofia instead. They may get away with it but overall but it wont make the institution more popular.

This is what I don't understand; Sofia will just create more work for palace staff if she marries CP, but a nice girl with no skeevy background would actually make things a lot easier. Surely there are more than enough princesses out there that he might fall in love with . Second, I wonder how enthusiastic CP would be about Sofia if he had to make his own way in the world. He has the taxpayers to catch him, so it's not like he has to be careful lest he choose wrong and then have a horrible divorce, or end up unable to be taken seriously as a professional because of his choice of wife. American politicians apparently are a lot more careful about who they get involved with than European royalties.
 
Duke of Marmalade, you are exactly right.

Why bother with the cost of a monarchy, when you can have Kim Kardashian wearing a tiara as your "princess?"

The line between realty TV/Hollywood and certain Royalties becomes more blurred by the minute.

With these standards, I honestly do not see the point of monarchy any more.

It is a difficult question. But once you reflect that 200 years ago a former peasant from Pau in Gascony became first soldier, then marechal, then prince, finally Crown Prince and in the end King of Sweden, that 100 years ago so many monarchies were abolished at the end of WWI -then surely there is time and place for another change in the history of monarchies?

The Netherlands with prince Johan Friso have shown that it is absolutely possible for a prince to wed an unsuitable bride with a past, to loose his place in the succession and in the Royal House but to stay a prince of the Royal Family and to go on working in a foreign country without any throwback at his mother and brother, the heir. Why should this not be possible in Sweden?

It makes IMHO a lot of sense to reduce the Royal House to the souverain and the heir plus the heir's eldest child (okay, with their spouses) while the rest of the Royal family is just that: Royal Family. Born with public interest in them because of their family's past and present, with journalists at their back all the time, but in the end
private citizens. Not any sister wants to be the Danii to her Kylie. So to grant the younger children of the souverain and their families the right to be private is something IMHO of granting them human rights.
 
It is a difficult question. But once you reflect that 200 years ago a former peasant from Pau in Gascony became first soldier, then marechal, then prince, finally Crown Prince and in the end King of Sweden, that 100 years ago so many monarchies were abolished at the end of WWI -then surely there is time and place for another change in the history of monarchies?

The Netherlands with prince Johan Friso have shown that it is absolutely possible for a prince to wed an unsuitable bride with a past, to loose his place in the succession and in the Royal House but to stay a prince of the Royal Family and to go on working in a foreign country without any throwback at his mother and brother, the heir. Why should this not be possible in Sweden?

It makes IMHO a lot of sense to reduce the Royal House to the souverain and the heir plus the heir's eldest child (okay, with their spouses) while the rest of the Royal family is just that: Royal Family. Born with public interest in them because of their family's past and present, with journalists at their back all the time, but in the end
private citizens. Not any sister wants to be the Danii to her Kylie. So to grant the younger children of the souverain and their families the right to be private is something IMHO of granting them human rights.

This is what I and other posters were suggesting, for CP to forgo his position and marry Sofia if he wants.
 
Yesterday I read a German glossy in which he was called "the artistic prince" because he has studied graphic design and he created a cutlery design-her´s a link
CPB 9021 cutlery from Gense by Carl Philip Bernadotte
Maybe he is a free spirit and he does whatever he wants to do but he´s not as stupid or lazy as some posters describe him...
 
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This is what I and other posters were suggesting, for CP to forgo his position and marry Sofia if he wants.

Exactly - Friso gave up his right to succession, his title as Prince of the Netherlands but of course remains a member of the Royal Family. The difference to CP, who lives off his father's apanage and does a bit of car racing, is that Friso has always worked for a living (he currently lives in the UK working for an uranium enrichment company as CFO). I seriously doubt that CP would be ready to make this sacrifice but wants to have both, the carefree life on taxpayer's expense and the unsuitable bride, hence the start of Sofia's whitewash campaign.
 
Exactly - Friso gave up his right to succession, his title as Prince of the Netherlands but of course remains a member of the Royal Family. The difference to CP, who lives off his father's apanage and does a bit of car racing, is that Friso has always worked for a living (he currently lives in the UK working for an uranium enrichment company as CFO). I seriously doubt that CP would be ready to make this sacrifice but wants to have both, the carefree life on taxpayer's expense and the unsuitable bride, hence the start of Sofia's whitewash campaign.

I agree that CP is a lightweight when it comes to workload and yet "inherits" more than some in Sweden and the rest of the world...:whistling: My point has been, since the beginning, that CP and Madeleine marry who they want but lose rank, title, and money. It's archaic and unfair to me to say "you can't marry [this person]" but there is a reason why the parliament's approval is required. It's not to discriminate but to ensure those who represent the royal family and thus Sweden are the best representatives.
Friso BTW has a bachelors in mechanical engineering and a masters in economics, so he has rightly earned his career and, thankfully for the Dutch, doesn't leech off mommy. Has CP earned a degree yet? It'll be hard to support yourself and a wife (plus children) at a minimum education job... and his dyslexia shouldn't be used as an excuse. His sister overcame it, my brother (who is a physician) overcame it, and others will too.

OK rant finished now
 
If he wants to go about this 'his way' and live his own life on his own terms, then put frankly he should be stripped of his title and standing and made to make his own way in life; then we'll find out just how much Sofia loves him.
 
I totally agree-if he wants to marry a girl who is generally not accepted by the public he should try to find a way to make his own money! After all everyone of us has to work and pay their own bills as soon as we turn 18 (some even worked before that) and I´m sure he will find something to do.
 
AFAIK the Swedish Royal Family is nearly as rich as the Dutch, thus Carl Philip should be well able to afford a good lifestyle even if he doesn't marry. I'm not sure if the private estate of the Bernadottes is entailed and in which way - can the king decide who gets what or does the majority goes to the heir of the throne or to the eldest son (who in former times always was the heir as well) - anyway: Carl Gustaf is known to have been unhappy about the disownment of his only son when it came to the succession, so I highly doubt he would disinherit him as well when it comes to his private inheritance. So in the end I'm quite convinced we need not worry about how CP would be able to finance his life even if he decides to marry his current girlfriend.
 
Sofia provocates this, sorry.

I disagree. It's not Sofia who provokates here IMO. Because aside from this widely discussed "Guess what. I'm dating the prince"-comment she's done an absolutely great job so far at the side of the PRIVATE Carl Philip.

With these standards, I honestly do not see the point of monarchy any more.

So what's the difference then? Having a president (inluding wife and children) to represent your country? A president who (including family) is still going to be paid even after his working period is over? As long as he lives? No matter how many other presidents including family will follow him on this job? Just tell me, Moonmaiden (or anyone else of your fellow citizens), how many presidents a of your country are currently still alive? How many of them are still being paid for a job they don't do anymore? Wo are still being guarded by the Secret Service? And then tell me from what money they live? And from what money the Secret Service Agents guarding them are being paid? I tell you. It's tax money - YOUR tax money - for which all the former presidents (including family) have to do absolutely nothing for. They just get it and don't have to give anything in return anymore, just because they once were the big fish in the big pond. Do you thing this is a better system? More fair to the citizens of the country?

It's the same with our system over here in Germany. There are plenty of former presidents whom we have to pay for doing absolutely nothing. Do you think that's a better system? After all, what more do they do (when they actually work) besides waving to people and representing the country? It's a little different over in the US because you have two positions joined into one (the representer and the ruler). But from my point of view it's no big difference if there is a ruling prime minister or Bundeskanzler or whatever on one page and having a representing president or a king on the other page. In my eyes it would even be better having a royal family. Because they get educated their whole life to do the representing job and would be the faces of their country in a way no short time president (incl. family) ever could.

Because honestly, could you tell me who (aka which president and wife) represented Germany since say 1990? Not even I can remember all of them. I have to think for a while to get them all. And their wifes or even kids are a complete mystery for me. The same goes for the representers of Ireland, France, Portugal, Brazil, Argentina, Singapore, Vietnam, South Corea, etc and yes, also the US. But I have absolutely no problems naming the representers of Sweden, Norway, Spain, UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark. I'm sure you can and can't name the names of the same countries than I. Now ask again what the point of having a monarchy is nowadays and I'm sure you could give yourself a really good answer.

The point of having a monarchy nowadays is to have a special group of people who represents the country. To have known faces who get combined with the country they represent no matter where they are and what they do. No one can do this job better than a royal family who grow into this job from their day of birth until their death. I would love to still have a royal family in Germany. Not for ruling, but for plain representing. Tax money goes to the representer nontheless no matter who they are. We don't safe anything here (and you don't either). And in my eyes it's way better to give it to someone who really is/are the face/faces of my country than to someone who is just one of many faces who get forgotten as soon as they leave the spotlight but does still get paid from my tax money. But if you like it better the other way around, ...

Has CP earned a degree yet?

If you would bother to read his biography you would know that he trained/worked in the swedish navy for a few years right after finishing high school and also for a while a few years later. He left with the rank of a lieutenant.
He also finished a two-year course of graphic design at Forsbergs School in Stockholm. After that he made an internship with National Geographic, won a design competition (under a pseudonym. It wasn't his name or title that got him the award), design a cutlery series and had his own photo exhibition.
Currently he's studying agriculture which I think he does mainly so he'll be able to manage this farm proberty of his which he inherited a while ago.

If I count all this together than in my eyes he's absolutely able to support wife and children. Because he's got trained in 2 jobs and will be trained in 3 right after he finishes his studies at Alnarp. There are a lot of ways and a lot of open doors for him with all this knowledge. So why everyone always calles him lazy and not educated enough is completely beyond me.

I totally agree-if he wants to marry a girl who is generally not accepted by the public he should try to find a way to make his own money!

As far as I know the majority of people who have something against Sofia and don't accept her are people who're not from Sweden. What I hear from inside of Sweden is that there's noo big fuss about Sofia. Most of them don't care enough about her to have something against her. After all she's just a girl who Carl Philip socializes with. She's not the official woman at his side (yet). So why should they bother? I think this is a very good way of handling things. Why crossing bridges if you haven't even reached them yet?
 
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If you would bother to read his biography you would know that he trained/worked in the swedish navy for a few years right after finishing high school and also for a while a few years later. He left with the rank of a lieutenant.
He also finished a two-year course of graphic design at Forsbergs School in Stockholm. After that he made an internship with National Geographic, won a design competition (under a pseudonym. It wasn't his name or title that got him the award), design a cutlery series and had his own photo exhibition.
Currently he's studying agriculture which I think he does mainly so he'll be able to manage this farm proberty of his which he inherited a while ago.

If I count all this together than in my eyes he's absolutely able to support wife and children. Because he's got trained in 2 jobs and will be trained in 3 right after he finishes his studies at Alnarp. There are a lot of ways and a lot of open doors for him with all this knowledge. So why everyone always calles him lazy and not educated enough is completely beyond me.


Thanks but I did read his biography, so please do not belittle my opinion about his future. He's been studying agriculture for longing than necessary for other students. Why? Why did the court feel the need to remind the press and the public that he's still there and will obtain a diploma SOON? There's a difference between attending schools and graduating from them. If you feel the military experience he had was enough, why didn't he continue?
Surely he would be able to be placed in a position like Prince William where he is serving in the military, saving his countrymen's lives, and coming home to Sofia in an isolated area after 24 hour shifts. That could be a career that he -- unlike William -- can continue for ages. Let's say he found out after a few years the military wasn't for him and he only completed training because all Swedish men at the time had to and he added a few years to that. Fine. Why doesn't he continue with the graphic design which he, I agree, has a talent at and which he earned prizes based on effort alone? He could make a good living out of that and it's possibly something Sofia can get involved in as well. Perfect, right? But he didn't continue that, fine ok he has inherited a farm and wants to run it. Great! This is similar to Prince Joachim who inherited Schackenborg Castle in 1978 (and which he moved to after his first marriage) and graduated with a degree in agrarian economics after two years. Since then he has done several royal engagements a year and holds the occupation of farmer otherwise.
I don't think Sofia provokes any negative comments but her past is a problem for some. All I'm saying is that Carl Philip needs to settle down, decide where he wants to have a career (since even if he was marrying a princess he would still become less and less important as Victoria's children get older), work towards that, and then marry Sofia. As I said before, I have no grudge towards her as I'm not in the position to have one, and as you are listed as being in Germany perhaps you might not be either.
Let me just say that I am completely on your side regarding monarchy vs. presidential system and hope to God that Sweden stays a monarchy. However, lesser things have caused the downfall of monarchies and the Swedish RF needs to constantly review their actions in the eyes of the Swedish population -- their employers.
 
Just tell me, Moonmaiden (or anyone else of your fellow citizens), how many presidents a of your country are currently still alive? How many of them are still being paid for a job they don't do anymore? Wo are still being guarded by the Secret Service? And then tell me from what money they live? And from what money the Secret Service Agents guarding them are being paid?

Put frankly, the reason for the lifetime protection is because during their Presidency, they were in full knowledge of our state secrets and top secret information. If they were unguarded and kidnapped, they could be tortured and information extracted. Sounds melodramatic, but it is entirely possible that such things happen. They might not work, but they have a treasure trove of information that is valuable to a demented terrorist or foreign head of state that would LOVE to be able to gain information that would be of immense value to foreign intelligence agencies. Royalty (to my knowledge) is not privy to these things and they are not at all included in these operations. They are ornamental representatives.

Most of them don't care enough about her to have something against her. After all she's just a girl who Carl Philip socializes with. She's not the official woman at his side (yet). So why should they bother?

Frankly, it's because of the potential chance of a marriage that has people worked up. I'm sure that just a relationship isn't the only thing that Sofia is hankering for; she wants more than a roll in bed with Carl, I am sure of that much. Do you really think that she sees herself as unworthy of becoming the wife of a prince? She's not official, but what if she does become his wife? Then what? What about his kids? How is he supposed to teach them about morals, hard work, virtue, self respect, and high standards of behavior that is expected if in fact, he marries a woman who embodies none of these things? How is taking off your clothes hard work and how is it something to look up to? No matter how bad things are in society, it's all the more reason for royalties to end up marrying the 'right' woman or man.

If Carl does end up marrying her after up to two years, then Victoria is owed a major apology for Daniel being forced to wait ten years and being subjected to all sorts of nasty innuendo about his motives for marriage to Victoria.
 
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