Press Reports About Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 1 (Jan '10-April '12)

[CrownPrincess5]

Originally Posted by Meraude

As a Swede I have a feeling that if Victoria was to die without an heir, it's possible that Sweden would become a republic, as I can't see neither Carl Philip (especially if married to Sofia) or Madeleine as material for a regent. With the exception of the marriage between Victoria and Daniel, much of the writings about the royal family have been negative the last year, and more people are thinking that a republic could be an alternative.

Thanks for your thoughts on that.

I would hate to see the country become a republic but they are slowly headed for that road. Their not doing anything to bring about positivity. CP and even Madeleine to a degree makes the Swedish monarchy seem slack. Thank God for Victoria, there's no telling where the monarchy would be without her.

[Iva]

Originally Posted by Meraude

As a Swede I have a feeling that if Victoria was to die without an heir, it's possible that Sweden would become a republic, as I can't see neither Carl Philip (especially if married to Sofia) or Madeleine as material for a regent. With the exception of the marriage between Victoria and Daniel, much of the writings about the royal family have been negative the last year, and more people are thinking that a republic could be an alternative.

Thank you for your input, it's always nice to hear an opinion of someone who's actually living there.
Last year when I visited Sweden I though that it was impossible for Sweden to become republic, because even if you are not following royalty, it's present everywhere and to some point it attracts tourist there, but this all is from a point of view of a tourist. After all the negative coverage that various members of SRF recieved last year I can understand why more people who are actually living there are thinking that republic could be an alternative.

[Enigma]

Originally Posted by CrownPrincess5

Thanks for your thoughts on that.

I would hate to see the country become a republic but they are slowly headed for that road. Their not doing anything to bring about positivity. CP and even Madeleine to a degree makes the Swedish monarchy seem slack. Thank God for Victoria, there's no telling where the monarchy would be without her.

why are you blaming madeleine?

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Enigma

why are you blaming madeleine?

She's a Princess of Sweden yet she's spent more time in NY than in her own country, she missed the biggest event in the Swedish calender after her sisters wedding last year. Her engagement was broken off, and IMO she's milking it for all she can.

However this is not a thread about Madeleine or why the monarchy will change to a republic.

[Meraude]

Originally Posted by Iva

Thank you for your input, it's always nice to hear an opinion of someone who's actually living there.
Last year when I visited Sweden I though that it was impossible for Sweden to become republic, because even if you are not following royalty, it's present everywhere and to some point it attracts tourist there, but this all is from a point of view of a tourist. After all the negative coverage that various members of SRF recieved last year I can understand why more people who are actually living there are thinking that republic could be an alternative.

There is much media coverage when it comes to the royal family, but you have to differentiate between what is coverage of their personal/private life and what is coverage of their public engagements. Most of what is written in the papers about Carl Philip is about his private life (for example his relationship with Sofia H. and his attempts at car racing) and there is not much about his official duties. He has four official engagements from now to mid-April, one of them together with his parents', the upcoming state visit from Estonia.

[Enigma]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

She's a Princess of Sweden yet she's spent more time in NY than in her own country, she missed the biggest event in the Swedish calender after her sisters wedding last year. Her engagement was broken off, and IMO she's milking it for all she can.

However this is not a thread about Madeleine or why the monarchy will change to a republic.

but she is working for the world childhood foundation and she has been to london, south africa as well as the usa and chose new york to heel, the heeling process differs from one person to another, royal or not it doesn't matter, she apparently wanted to escape the press in sweden. now she started dating, so perhaps she would settle down there in the future, if things went well of course. besides, she is not the first in line after cp victoria, its p carl philip, who is not and will not give up his title or right.
as for missing the biggest event in sweden, the norwegian crown princely couple missed it too!!
and you are right lumutqueen, this is not a thread about madeleine, i give my apologies to the readers

[nascarlucy]

It's only been in recent times that the private life of a royal has been general public knowledge or details about who they were dating or involved with has become public knowledge. Prior to this, this topic was off-limits or not talked about at all by the press.

The parliament basically rubber stamps approval of a wedding. If the King or Queen approved it, they approve it. The same if it is opposed. There are some exceptions to this most likely but in the majority of cases the parliament approves the marriage. This seems to be the general process in most countries where the parliament is involved.

Wouldn't you think at the very least that the parliament would want to get to know the person that the royal is marrying, even with royal approval. Perhaps some type of get together or some kind of meeting with the couple. This would be very true if taxpayer money were involved. To my knowledge this has never occurred. It's a up and down vote that is rubber stamped according to the wishes of the monarch.

[Meraude]

Originally Posted by nascarlucy

The parliament basically rubber stamps approval of a wedding. If the King or Queen approved it, they approve it. The same if it is opposed. There are some exceptions to this most likely but in the majority of cases the parliament approves the marriage. This seems to be the general process in most countries where the parliament is involved.

When it comes to Sweden, neither the parliament, nor the government have any say in whom a member of the royal family marries, the only person who have to accept a royal spouse is the monarch, and then s/he informes the government about the upcoming marriage. The parliament and/or the government can be against a marriage but they have no way to stop it (well, with the exception to decide to abolish the whole monarchy, of course.)

[Moonmaiden23]

Originally Posted by Meraude

As a Swede I have a feeling that if Victoria was to die without an heir, it's possible that Sweden would become a republic, as I can't see neither Carl Philip (especially if married to Sofia) or Madeleine as material for a regent. With the exception of the marriage between Victoria and Daniel, much of the writings about the royal family have been negative the last year, and more people are thinking that a republic could be an alternative.

I am not a Swede, but I agree with you 200%. The idea of Carl-Philip and his ghastly lover anywhere near the throne would make ME yearn for a republic!

Enough really is enough.

[Esmerelda]

Originally Posted by Meraude

When it comes to Sweden, neither the parliament, nor the government have any say in whom a member of the royal family marries, the only person who have to accept a royal spouse is the monarch, and then s/he informes the government about the upcoming marriage. The parliament and/or the government can be against a marriage but they have no way to stop it (well, with the exception to decide to abolish the whole monarchy, of course.)

Well, parliament can remove said Royal and their children from the line of succession.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Meraude

When it comes to Sweden, neither the parliament, nor the government have any say in whom a member of the royal family marries, the only person who have to accept a royal spouse is the monarch, and then s/he informes the government about the upcoming marriage. The parliament and/or the government can be against a marriage but they have no way to stop it (well, with the exception to decide to abolish the whole monarchy, of course.)

Sorry that's wrong. According to the succession law Article 5 (see here) a Prince/Princess of the Royal House may not marry until the Government has given it's Consent upon Application from the King. Should a Prince/Princess marry without such consent, he/she forgfeights the right of succession for himself, his children and their descendants.

[Iva]

Originally Posted by Meraude

There is much media coverage when it comes to the royal family, but you have to differentiate between what is coverage of their personal/private life and what is coverage of their public engagements. Most of what is written in the papers about Carl Philip is about his private life (for example his relationship with Sofia H. and his attempts at car racing) and there is not much about his official duties. He has four official engagements from now to mid-April, one of them together with his parents', the upcoming state visit from Estonia.

I agree that one should diferentiate his private and public life. But as you said there is nearly no coverage of his official duties in media and that together with all the coverage of his private life may result in him being viewed in negative light. If one does not follow it closely it may seem that he does absolutely nothing, spends time with racing and his questionable girlfriend.

[SpeedDial]

I haven't been on here in awhile - so CP is STILL seeing that trash Sofia, huh? Well, at the rate the monarchy is going (CP dating trash, Madeline spending her time in the US instead of her own country), I would not be surprised if the monarchy was abolished within this decade. What's the point if they have nothing to offer?

[Stefanie]

I believe he will marry Sofia as soon as Victoria´s first baby has been born.

[ilovemonaco]

^ i have seen weirder things happen....

[ortiz]

So are most people here thinking that Prince Carl Philip will marry before Princess Madeleine?

[Lenora]

Originally Posted by ortiz

So are most people here thinking that Prince Carl Philip will marry before Princess Madeleine?

No,I think Madeleine will be the first to get married.Prince Carl-Phillip won't announce any engagement until Victoria announces her pregnancy,I guess.Otherwise,his role is more important than Madeleine's

[nascarlucy]

Depends on a lot of different things of whether who will get married first. The way things currently are, it's more likely that Prince Carl Phillip will marry before Madeleine. In a couple of years, it will be interesting to see if I'm right. Haven't heard much news lately about Prince Carl Phillip and Sofia Hellqvist lately.

[Esmerelda]

Both relationships are relatively 'young' compared to how long they both dated Emma and Jonas. I think it will be at least a couple of years before either Carl Philip or Madeleine marry.

[Biri]

Are you sure? They are getting older not younger. (Madeleine - late twenties, Carl-Phillip - early thirties) - already in that age they would probably want to have children. From they earlier experience they both know that a long "loose" relationship doesn't need to end in marriage.
Of course they and their current partners need to give themselves time to get to know each other, to make sure if this concrete person is the only one, but...without exaggeration.