Press Reports about Carl Philip and Sofia Hellqvist, Part 1: Jan. 2010 - April 2012

[Karisma]

Well written!

Maybe the members of TRF (and forums in general) should better start to discuss people and not judge them. Discussing is okay, judging is not okay. But unfortunatley most of the time Sofia is being judged here and not fairly discussed.

Well written! I just have to agree with what you wrote. It could not be said better. Some spend part, one after the other, to condemn something we do not know. First, we must emphasize that you do not have any relationship before it is published by the royal court. Secondly, there are so many examples of the now-respected royals who (allegedly) having had dirty backgrounds. Is it about nudity, there are endless examples of the now-respected royal circles. And we have even royalty has done worse things and later largely been canonized. I agree in the strongest of the many here would move its focus from finding fault, and instead take the discussion forward.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Somehow, the feeling of the majority of people who read and particiapte in these boards is bad regarding Sofia. Not that any of us know her personally, and I'm sure there is the issue of jealousy, but she was not a discreet or respectable person in general. The level of negativity is nothing in comparison to the level aimed at any other girlfriend of a royal. The reason being imho, is that we want to look up to our royals as being better people, of a higher than average standard, if not proffesionaly, then most certainly personally, and I am sorry, but the way Sofia behaves, looks etc, just doesn't seem to give that impression. Say what you want, but ask the middle class westerner, and they will all display distaste for Sofia and the likes of her.

Another brilliant post auntie...very insightful!

I know that Royals are human beings and they are the same as you and I.

But then again...they really are not. And I do not look up to reality TV stars or soft porn stars, I don't care how they have managed to "change"..and that is what Sofia Hellqvist will always be to me no matter what. I get a very, very bad feeling just looking at her photos.

I have no doubt that if the monarchy in Sweden were to be abolished, and C-P became Carl Philip Bernadotte who had to toil as a mechanic for a living, Sofia would be off and on to greener pastures.

If CP is foolish enough to marry this girl I will not hang around and snipe at SRF...I will simply lose interest in the entire lot of them, even Victoria and Daniel.

 

[KitKat2006]

And I do not look up to reality TV stars or soft porn stars, I don't care how they have managed to "change"..and that is what Sofia Hellqvist will always be to me no matter what. I get a very, very bad feeling just looking at her photos.

No offence, Moonmaiden23, but in that case YOU are the problem in this matter. Not Sofia. Because while she (hypotetically) managed to change you are not able to do the same. And that's not her fault but yours.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

No offense taken KitKat...but I am not the problem.

I am not the King of a country with a growing Republican movement and an embattled monarchy, who has a son precariously close to the Throne who is dating an indiscreet porno actress and model and may yet try to sell her to the country as it's next Princess.

A Prince who is also by the way, widely perceived as lazy and not terribly bright.

Nope...the "problem" in that sense is Carl-Philip and his dicey lover.

Why pray tell, must I "change?" And how is any of this my fault?

 

[Bine221]

Hey, hey, calm down everybody.

In the end it is CPs and Sofias solely decision. While nearly everybody on this thread (including me) is not particular fond of Sofia and her past I tend to agree with some posters (to be on the positive side) that people can change.... best example was Mette-Marit and we only can hope for CP, that the same will happen to Sofia in case he may decide to marry her.

In case they may split, we will see, whether we will hear some "inside mud" of CP and the SRF....

Time will tell
BYe Bine

 

[Karisma]

Negative attitude and sharp tongue

No offense taken KitKat...but I am not the problem.

I am not the King of a country with a growing Republican movement and an embattled monarchy, who has a son precariously close to the Throne who is dating an indiscreet porno actress and model and may yet try to sell her to the country as it's next Princess.

A Prince who is also by the way, widely perceived as lazy and not terribly bright.

Nope...the "problem" in that sense is Carl-Philip and his dicey lover.

Why pray tell, must I "change?" And how is any of this my fault?

It happens to be that the monarchy in Sweden have been among the strongest support of all Monarchies. Both government and opposition have full confidence in the monarch. The debate for and against Sofia is hardly in Sweden Abbate Ann in the worst gossip magazines. And even death is like a warm summer breeze compared to how it is allowed in other royal families in any royalty had the company of someone who gossip columns do not like. I think you should remind you how it looked in our neighborhood and that people can actually change their minds. Even people in the circuits that thrives on gossip. We'll see if there is any announcement from the court.

 

[CrownPrincess5]

Somehow, the feeling of the majority of people who read and particiapte in these boards is bad regarding Sofia. Not that any of us know her personally, and I'm sure there is the issue of jealousy, but she was not a discreet or respectable person in general. The level of negativity is nothing in comparison to the level aimed at any other girlfriend of a royal. The reason being imho, is that we want to look up to our royals as being better people, of a higher than average standard, if not proffesionaly, then most certainly personally, and I am sorry, but the way Sofia behaves, looks etc, just doesn't seem to give that impression. Say what you want, but ask the middle class westerner, and they will all display distaste for Sofia and the likes of her.

I second that...this is a brilliant post.

I think it would be easy to disregard the nude photos if Sofia weren't so bent on fame. Besides posing nude...being a "fame-whore" is distasteful and a turn off to a lot of people. Like I said, this relationship doesn't strike me as genuine. I feel like both CP and Sofia are using each other.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Someone...I think it was Zonk? Posted something a few weeks ago that has stayed with me for days.

A lot of people-usually young people...think they should be able to make stupid, bad decisions about their lives and NOT face any negative consequences resulting from them. Not ever. Never.

But there are some decisions that we make in our lives that have serious and lasting consequences. For example, if you are convicted of stealing you will probably never get that job you really want in the bank.

And no one is interested in how much you have "changed" years later..that's simply the way it is.

This attitude(I can do whatever I want with no lasting damage or consequences, and I am not responsible because I CHANGED) is extremely prevalent all over the world, not just in Sweden or Europe but in America as well.

I don't know whether Sofia has "changed" or not...but I tend to believe that she is as narcissistic and opportunistic as ever.

Time will tell, but I do not think this is the type of young lady that other girls should be able to look at and possible emulate in their private lives.

She will not be my Princess, or my Queen..or a member of my Royal Family, so I agree in that sense I have no say at all.

And IF there is a groundswell of support in Sweden for Sofia and C-P to marry, then absolutely they should.

But for myself? I will lose interest. And no, that does not mean that I am the problem, or that I have the problem.

That's really it in a nutshell for me.

 

[Iva]

Someone...I think it was Zonk? Posted something a few weeks ago that has stayed with me for days.

A lot of people-usually young people...think they should be able to make stupid, bad decisions about their lives and NOT face any negative consequences resulting from them. Not ever. Never.

But there are some decisions that we make in our lives that have serious and lasting consequences. For example, if you are convicted of stealing you will probably never get that job you really want in the bank.

And no one is interested in how much you have "changed" years later..that's simply the way it is.

This attitude(I can do whatever I want with no lasting damage or consequences, and I am not responsible because I CHANGED) is extremely prevalent all over the world, not just in Sweden or Europe but in America as well.

I agree with you on this. You make your decisions, you bear the consequences, that's how it works.
I've already stated my opinion about Sofia way ago. If she was a girlfriend of my friend or my neighbour, I wouldn't most likely care about her photos or reality show appearance. But she's a girlfriend of a prince, by marriage unless he's stripped of his title etc. she will be in a position to, to some extend represent her country. I'm not swedish citizen, but I know that I wouldn't want to be represented by someone who's first 10 google hits are bikini photos and you're lucky if you get only those. You can change, but you can't erase the past and your actions, they always stay with you.

 

[Rascal]

Hello, Kettle...this is Pot...you're black!

Maybe the members of TRF (and forums in general) should better start to discuss people and not judge them. Discussing is okay, judging is not okay. But unfortunatley most of the time Sofia is being judged here and not fairly discussed.

I respect that you have a point of view, KitKat2006, and I commend you for your loyalty to Sofia (or your image of her). But your insistence that she has changed/learned from mistakes/etc. and that everyone should give her a break is, in itself, judging her. You are judging her to be a person that you consider sweet/nice/acceptable/(insert adjective). If judging is not okay, consider your own.

In addition, I find it extremely judgemental to suggest to MoonMaiden23 that she is the problem because she expresses a viewpoint opposed to yours. And MoonMaiden23 isn't even a public figure!

I second that...this is a brilliant post.

I think it would be easy to disregard the nude photos if Sofia weren't so bent on fame. Besides posing nude...being a "fame-whore" is distasteful and a turn off to a lot of people. Like I said, this relationship doesn't strike me as genuine. I feel like both CP and Sofia are using each other.

Exactly, CrownPrincess5! Almost all of the defenses of Sofia have centered around her inappropriate pictures and participation in that tacky reality show. Many have pointed out the bigger problem with Sofia is the goal of being famous. I have posted at least twice about this. And there has never been one response to this criticism....IMHO because there is not a logical defense of her behavior. The nudie pics are just a symptom. The bigger problem is her attitude and goals...which no one seems to address.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Rascal, the photos are worrisome but it's her behavior once she began dating Prince C-P that throw up real red flags.

She let's her followers on Twitter in on the "secret" that she is "dating the Prince!" wink, wink...before someone advises her to take it down or before she has a rare bout of common sense.

She is now a hard worker for charity? And before CP where was all this interest in charity work?

She uses the opportunity afforded by being the girlfriend of CP to hawk her new line of workout clothes?

All this has happened AFTER she bragged about sticking her tongue down the throat of porn starlet Jenna Jameson, and it happened after she let herself be photographed spread eagled in a car.

I'll say it again, if the people of Sweden think she is Princess material and good fairy tale fodder for their impressionable youth I will accept their decision.

And stop posting at the SRF.

 

[KitKat2006]

I respect that you have a point of view, KitKat2006, and I commend you for your loyalty to Sofia (or your image of her). But your insistence that she has changed/learned from mistakes/etc. and that everyone should give her a break is, in itself, judging her. You are judging her to be a person that you consider sweet/nice/acceptable/(insert adjective). If judging is not okay, consider your own.

In addition, I find it extremely judgemental to suggest to MoonMaiden23 that she is the problem because she expresses a viewpoint opposed to yours. And MoonMaiden23 isn't even a public figure!

1. I'm giving her a chance because of her behaviour NOW and not her decisions in the PAST, like a lot of people do here. Someone posted an example with Sofia as a hypotetically aids cure finder and said she will always be "Sofia, former nude model, who has found a cure against aids." That may be right, but this thinking is hardly her fault and her problem. It's the problem of those who can't let go and see the hypotetical present "Sofia, aids cure finder".

Maybe all of you are right, maybe she is just a fame-whore, a low person, a user. If she proves to be one, I take everything back and start yelling with you. But NOW I just see a sympatic girl who nows what she owes her boyfriend: no scandals, no nude-/bikini-pictures, an acceptable goal in her life (charity project) and a "no comment"-policy about their relationship. Because I never ever heard her say something officially about her relationship to CP (what she tells her friends is her decision. No-one can forbit her to do that and it's the friends who gossip who are to blame if the do gossip). So if I'm judging her I judge her on recent facts and not on decisions she made when she didn't even think about dating CP or on character flaws I only THINK she may have. And that's the big difference in this case.

2. I didn't say moonmaiden23 IS the problem in this case. At least I didn't mean it. Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. I meant that it is HER problem if she can't or doesn't want to see that someone (in this example Sofia) has changed. It's not the problem of the person that hypotetically has changed. And that doesn't have something to do with moonmaiden23 (and everyone who thinks like her) being a public figure or not. The problem is in the head of those persons and not something the person in question (in this case Sofia) is able to change if moonmaiden23 (or someone else) doesn't even WANT to see the change in the person in question. So yes, it IS moonmaiden23's problem and not Sofias. I stick with that opinion.

I hope I made myself a little clearer now. I don't want to fight with anyone here and I don't want to insult someone. I just want to state my opinion and fight for giving Sofia a fair chance until she really steps over the line. Something she didn't do IMO since she openly dates CP.

And that's all I'm going to say to that matter. Because we're again going way to off topic in this thread. I really think we need a "Sofia and Carl Philip discussion thread".

 

[Penny Royalty]

I simply want to state that if Prince Carl Philip accepts Sofia as his woman it is fine by me as a supporter of the Kingdoms. She must really qualify as an inspirational persona in order to grab the attention, admiration, and backing of the Prince. With that said I look to Sofia as a marvelous character able to harness within the possible in life something that seems right to Philip. Good for her. It may give an idea or inclination that after all she has been a part of she has learned to be, may I say, breath taking. She is beautiful and she is beautiful to a Prince. That speaks for much. I simply look at it like that. Good luck to Sofia, and the Swedish Royals.

 

[Lumutqueen]

Okay, everyone has their opinions on this girl and I have always been in favour of 'giving her the benefit of the doubt'.
I don't know the woman, I don't know her life and none of us do I think. So we can sit and read all this stuff the press prints, the pictures, the stories, the antics and Sofia looks like a golddigging, sexually adventurous, 'faking it' woman. But if the Swedish people accept her, and she proves herself to add something to the SRF - we shouldn't have any objection to that.
It might not be right to compare Sofia to the likes of Letizia, MM or Camilla because today they are known for their royal behaviour. But when they became engaged to their respective husband, they had history and at the time their history was as shocking as Sofia's adventures. Question - do people think that Sofia's adventures are as bad the 3rd in line to a throne possible marrying a woman whose father has possible ties to Robert Mugabe? Granted these ties don't affect the woman directly but would you rather have naked pictures in the family album or RM?
I am not congratulating her on posing with a snake or kissing Jenna Jameson but I am saying that continually going over her exploits and re-telling how disgusting they are, or how shocked you are by them isn't doing any good to anything.

 

[HRHofNothing]

With all the negative press that the SRF have had they need members who are willing to go on about their job without causing scandals or seeking unfavourable attention. IMO, this is not Sofia.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

HRHofNothing...BINGO.

They need an inspirational young woman who is going to lift the profile of this embattled dynasty...not someone who is going to provide even more ink for tabloid fodder.

In other words...they need someone like Catherine Middleton, but unfortunately there are not too many like her around these days...

Sofia would probably have been run out of Britain by now if she had even had her photo taken with Princes William or Harry.

 

[Lumutqueen]

If Harry dated a girl like Sofia, the press would love her. And if she proved herself - she'd probably be accepted. They loved Chelsy, and look at that girls background.
You think Catherine Middleton is an inspirational young woman? She's a quiet, conservative and keeps her mouth shut. Completely inspirational.

If Sofia has only added to the problems of this monarchy, then who's saying some 'inspiration women' would fix the existing problems?

 

[ilovemonaco]

yep catherine isnt inspirational but neither is sofia....they both havent proved themselves...

 

[Karisma]

She could´nt

Someone...I think it was Zonk? Posted something a few weeks ago that has stayed with me for days.

A lot of people-usually young people...think they should be able to make stupid, bad decisions about their lives and NOT face any negative consequences resulting from them. Not ever. Never.

But there are some decisions that we make in our lives that have serious and lasting consequences. For example, if you are convicted of stealing you will probably never get that job you really want in the bank.

And no one is interested in how much you have "changed" years later..that's simply the way it is.

This attitude(I can do whatever I want with no lasting damage or consequences, and I am not responsible because I CHANGED) is extremely prevalent all over the world, not just in Sweden or Europe but in America as well.

I don't know whether Sofia has "changed" or not...but I tend to believe that she is as narcissistic and opportunistic as ever.

Time will tell, but I do not think this is the type of young lady that other girls should be able to look at and possible emulate in their private lives.

She will not be my Princess, or my Queen..or a member of my Royal Family, so I agree in that sense I have no say at all.

And IF there is a groundswell of support in Sweden for Sofia and C-P to marry, then absolutely they should.

But for myself? I will lose interest. And no, that does not mean that I am the problem, or that I have the problem.

That's really it in a nutshell for me.

Clear that Sofia does not get a royalty for you in USA! She is not royal in any way officially, but an excellent peeve for those who need to further sharpen their tongues.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

If Harry dated a girl like Sofia, the press would love her. And if she proved herself - she'd probably be accepted. They loved Chelsy, and look at that girls background.
You think Catherine Middleton is an inspirational young woman? She's a quiet, conservative and keeps her mouth shut. Completely inspirational.

If Sofia has only added to the problems of this monarchy, then who's saying some 'inspiration women' would fix the existing problems?

I guess by "inspirational" I meant someone who would capture the fancy of the British public the way Kate does.

She graduated with honors from an elite University. She never made out with porn stars, or bragged about herself online. She is openly close and loving with her birth family. I can almost guarantee she will never embarrass her husband's family or send their minions scrambling to make excuses for her. Sure she's a bit boring but consider the alternative.

After looking at the debacle of the late Diana Princess of Wales and the continuing Fergie freak show, I would think someone "quiet, conservative who keeps her mouth shut" is like manna from heaven for the BRF and maybe even the public.

 

[Lumutqueen]

I guess by "inspirational" I meant someone who would capture the fancy of the British public the way Kate does.

I honestly don't think she captures anyones fancy except those who watch the royals, like the people on this forum. The engagement, the wedding, the future baby etc will be blips for this country. Her everyday 'cutting ribbon' life will be nothing to capture IMO.

She graduated with honors from an elite University. She never made out with porn stars, or bragged about herself online. She is openly close and loving with her birth family. I can almost guarantee she will never embarrass her husband's family or send their minions scrambling to make excuses for her. Sure she's a bit boring but consider the alternative.

Anyone could graduate from St Andrews if they put the work in to get there, and while they are there. It's nothing out of the ordinary IMO.
She's had her fair share of scandals, but compared to Diana and Fergie she looks like a saint because people want her to be a saint. Everyone has the ability to embarass if something goes wrong.

I would think someone "quiet, conservative who keeps her mouth shut" is like manna from heaven for the BRF and maybe even the public.

We've got off topic from my original point - problems existed in the SRF long before Sofia may have added to them. So an 'inspirational' virgin bride blah blah isn't going to solve the SRF.

 

[LadyFinn]

Carl Philip and Sofia walking near their new home in Djurgården on 6th June, Sweden´s National Day.
ANP Beeldbank
ANP Beeldbank

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Lumutqueen, I don't want her to be a "saint" and frankly I don't know what you are reading that suggests anyone wants that.

Saints do not belong in modern European Royal families, and no one wants to hear about them outside of Church.

I also mentioned nothing about wanting her to be a "virgin" inspirational bride...her 10 year history with Prince William pretty much takes care of that point anyway.

C-P's dating a respectable woman obviously will not solve the SRF's problem...but it wouldn't drag them further into the muck either...unless as you say...something in her past pops up or she does something inexplicable and embarrassing...say....pose naked with a snake.

 

[Karisma]

Hypotheses ...

Lumutqueen, I don't want her to be a "saint" and frankly I don't know what you are reading that suggests anyone wants that.

Saints do not belong in modern European Royal families, and no one wants to hear about them outside of Church.

I also mentioned nothing about wanting her to be a "virgin" inspirational bride...her 10 year history with Prince William pretty much takes care of that point anyway.

C-P's dating a respectable woman obviously will not solve the SRF's problem...but it wouldn't drag them further into the muck either...unless as you say...something in her past pops up or she does something inexplicable and embarrassing...say....pose naked with a snake.

Hearsay! It would be really nice to discuss without prejudice with only facts and not just have to turn on the juicy gossip. Is not the Christian word "Do not judge people and you will not yourself be damned "?

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Karisma, I would love to respond to you but as is almost always the case, I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

What exactly did I state that was "hearsay??"

What are you suggesting that I am "discussing with prejudice?" What am I, in you opinion "judging??"

Instead of dispensing lofty advice to other posters, you might want to apply it to yourself first.

 

[janb]

One thing is for sure, if the monarchy is abolished Sofia will be out of the relationship like a whirlwind...

You make the same faulty assumtion as the republicans. That if the Monarchy is abolished the royal house and interest for them will someway just dissapper, the epublicans claiming the Monarchy must be abolished since the royals have to much power (in building opinon). Monarchy or not, tabloids and weekly press in Sweden will still have them as the no1 target (of Swedish Celebrities anyway), and the same following ('friends') they have now will still hang on to them. For while a x-king isn't as good as an actual king it is still a lot more preigious title than anyone else in the county has (and pretty much the same for prince/princess).
So while abolishing the Monarchy will hurt Bernadottes purse it will hardly touch their powerbase and neither their media exposure (at least not in the country). So Sofia will stay, since she is either with the prince because she love him or the media exposure and neitehr will change much.

 

[Karisma]

Karisma, I would love to respond to you but as is almost always the case, I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

What exactly did I state that was "hearsay??"

What are you suggesting that I am "discussing with prejudice?" What am I, in you opinion "judging??"

Instead of dispensing lofty advice to other posters, you might want to apply it to yourself first.

You may have to live in Sweden to understand that part of what is written is used by those who are against Monarchy as arguments. All those who use the arguments (newspapers and TV media in Sweden and in other countries) have not understood how the system works. There is only so that an officially engagement between a Swedish prince or princess must be published before they even exist. In the case of succession marriage rules are not bound by the monarch but can marry whomever he or she wants. A prince or princess must however have the monarch's approval and even the government's approval to marry without losing their entitlement to the throne. There is no obstacle to a prince or princess to marry whoever they want - but the succession to the throne will be lost if not the monarch and the government has given its permission. Why worry so much about something that, officially speaking, does not exist or exists. We are fascinated by the mystery surrounding royal persons. These things are part of this mystery, as I see it.

 

[Renata4711]

How likely is the abolition of the monarchy in Sweden ??

 

[KitKat2006]

Not very likely. If I remember right, Sweden is among the strongest monarchys in europe.

 

[LadyFinn]

SvenskDam writes that now that Carl Philip and Sofia moving together is official, the couple can be more openly together. And the countdown to engagement begins.
- Carl Philip and Sofia will become engaged after the summer, a source told to Damtidning.
SDT writes that there is no doubt that they will change rings sometime. In the years that CP lived together with Emma Pernald, the court said nothing. Bertil Ternert, the director of the information and press department of the court, would never acknowledge the fact that prince is living with his girlfriend - without being either engaged or married - if it wasn´t serious.
- Sofia and Lippi are so in love. She is so sweet, a cuter girl is hard to find, says someone who knows them.
Carl Philip och Sofia nu sambor – officiellt | Svensk Damtidning
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