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Old 07-03-2014, 05:00 PM
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A secret letter from the King? Hmmmm not so sure if this likely. Anyhow does somebody have the paper issue and could post this ominous letter?
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:03 PM
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Did anyone read Se och Hör? Rumours has it CP told his parents that he would have given up his title if he could not marry Sofia... I don't have a link because I read that on another forum... Is it a reliable source?
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Old 07-03-2014, 05:50 PM
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The entire letter in a magazine??? If that is true then how did they get it? It's hard to believe that CP or the King send copies to the press. Or is this some PR trick I don't understand?
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Old 07-03-2014, 08:04 PM
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I hope someone over there is rushing out to buy a copy of that magazine. I would really love to know what that letter says.
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Old 07-03-2014, 08:08 PM
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I guess the letter isn't secret anymore if It appears in a magazine but it's not clear if this is the case.
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Old 07-04-2014, 08:53 AM
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Expressen Extra refers to the letter the king sent to the government asking for "permission" to the marriage.
Stoppa pressarna quote Expressen Extra.
The king sent the letter to the government on Wednesday 25th June (when queen Silvia was in Washington) and the prime minister gave his answer on Thursday 26th. The prince acted as quickly as he could. Since Sofia didn't knew about this he had to quickly ask the question, because the letters between the court and the government are public.
Så blåste kungen Sofia Stoppa Pressarna
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Obviously they acted differently this time, since Victoria tells at the Wedding book, that the king asked for the permission of the government after Daniel had proposed to her.
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Old 07-04-2014, 09:21 AM
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Expressen Extra refers to the letter the king sent to the government asking for "permission" to the marriage.
Stoppa pressarna quote Expressen Extra.
The king sent the letter to the government on Wednesday 25th June (when queen Silvia was in Washington) and the prime minister gave his answer on Thursday 26th. The prince acted as quickly as he could. Since Sofia didn't knew about this he had to quickly ask the question, because the letters between the court and the government are public.
Så blåste kungen Sofia Stoppa Pressarna
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Obviously they acted differently this time, since Victoria tells at the Wedding book, that the king asked for the permission of the government after Daniel had proposed to her.
IMO all this is very fishy...
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:01 AM
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So that explains how the press knew about the letter. But why ask for consent before the engagement? Were they afraid that consent would be denied? But the public would have found out about the letter anyway. It makes no sense, imo.
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:09 AM
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It feels strange because the letters between the court and government are public, and on Friday there was at the Government's website the official statement of the governtment's consent to the marriage.
http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/18524/a/243273
What if miss Hellqvist would have said no? Not very likely, but always a possibility. The press would have haunted them for weeks if there would not have come an engagement announcement.
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:19 AM
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So that explains how the press knew about the letter. But why ask for consent before the engagement? Were they afraid that consent would be denied? But the public would have found out about the letter anyway. It makes no sense, imo.
I think the King did the right thing by getting the consent in writing before any announcement of this engagement was made. I am sure informal consent of the Prime Minister had previously been got, and this was merely a process of documenting the consent. The fact is that this was no "slam dunk", so it is only fair that due process be followed.
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:24 AM
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I think the King did the right thing by getting the consent in writing before any announcement of this engagement was made. I am sure informal consent of the Prime Minister had previously been got, and this was merely a process of documenting the consent. The fact is that this was no "slam dunk", so it is only fair that due process be followed.
It is the consent of the whole government that is needed, not just the prime minister's. It feels ridiculous to ask an official consent from the government before the proposal, especially because Daniel and Chris had proposed before the king asked the consent. Victoria told at the Wedding book that The king asked the consent after Daniel was proposed, and the government gave their consent to Madeleine's and Chris' marriage on the same day the engagement was published.
What if Sofia would have got a high fever on Friday morning and wasn't in her right mind to understand any question? It seems unnecessary to take any risks in a case like this. Or maybe there is a possibility that the government wouldn't have published their consent if Carl Philip wouldn't have got a yes-answer. But normally all the normal statements of the government are public.
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:32 AM
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it sounds like they were afraid that the government didnt find her suitable, in this case CP would have refrained from popping the question without Sofia knowing about it?
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:41 AM
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I think it was probably down to scheduling.
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:48 AM
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I think it was probably down to scheduling.
What do you mean by that?
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Old 07-04-2014, 06:28 PM
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it sounds like they were afraid that the government didnt find her suitable, in this case CP would have refrained from popping the question without Sofia knowing about it?
What was he going to do if the government refused? Not marry? Wait for a new government to be elected?

It seems strange that they did things the other way around..
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Old 07-04-2014, 06:35 PM
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When Harald tried to marry Sonja the government denied him the first time, he waited 9 years, but he was the heir. CP could have just ignored the whole government thing and done what Friso did and marry the person they loved anyway.
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Old 07-04-2014, 08:55 PM
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What do you mean by that?
Governments are not often sitting and often sit less in Summer. They have other business and he might have submitted it in advance cause the end of June was a bad time to submit. The Belgian government has said it is too busy with other matters to deal with the status of Prince Amedeo's soon to be wife even though they have been engaged for months and are about to wed. The King probably did not want a legitimate scheduling delay and people speculating about them not wanting to approve her.
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:19 PM
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What was he going to do if the government refused? Not marry? Wait for a new government to be elected?

It seems strange that they did things the other way around..

Waiting for a new government wouldn't have been an option, IMHO. After all the papers would have been published either way - permission granted or permission denied. A published denial would have created quite a bit of embarrasement. In particular, if CP hadn't popped the question.

All in all Ceallach is probably right that the King probably did not want a legitimate scheduling delay and people speculating about them not wanting to approve her.

Just one thing is obvious (something positive): CP discussed the matter with his father (maybe both parents) rather than confronting him/them with accomplished facts.
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Old 07-05-2014, 04:11 AM
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Waiting for a new government wouldn't have been an option, IMHO. After all the papers would have been published either way - permission granted or permission denied. A published denial would have created quite a bit of embarrasement. In particular, if CP hadn't popped the question.

All in all Ceallach is probably right that the King probably did not want a legitimate scheduling delay and people speculating about them not wanting to approve her.

Just one thing is obvious (something positive): CP discussed the matter with his father (maybe both parents) rather than confronting him/them with accomplished facts.
If CP wanted to keep his title and secure it for his future wife, discussing was a much better strategy than confrontation. But he could still have asked the one question between discussions with the King and asking permission of the government, and then wait for the government's answer before announcing the engagement. Maybe he wanted to spare Sofia a painful wait for approval?
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Old 07-05-2014, 04:31 AM
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A good blog post
Prince Carl Philip engaged to marry Sofia Hellqvist Sofia's Blog
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