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Discussion about Sofia Hellqvist's Past & Future Role in the Royal Family

Discussion about Sofia Hellqvist's Past & Future Role in the Royal Family


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Old 06-27-2014, 12:01 PM
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I can't believe my eyes, the king and queen come to the group photo with them. Why? They made the awkward video with Victoria and Daniel, and nothing with Madeleine and Chris.
And now the king and queen are talking and babbling with the press and praising Sofia? Why they are treating Carl Philip and Sofia so differently than Victoria and Daniel? Because the king wanted Carl Philip to be the heir...
Given today's announcement, the Swedish people need to be lighting candles and thanking whomever they pray to that he is NOT the heir.

Now I completely understand why Victoria and Madeleine seemed to go over the top(in some eyes) with their children's christenings, as if to emphasize that the Bernadottes are indeed still a Royal family.

More and more the only things that appear Royal about this family are their beautiful palaces and chapels.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:21 PM
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She will always be the Princess people snigger at, it's just the way of the world. He must really love her because a lot of men (and not just royal ones) couldn't bear to marry a woman whom anyone could look at naked at the click of a button. Some of her pictures were actually soft porn and I bet she regrets it now but those jibes are just something that she and any children of theirs will have to live with.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:59 PM
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Has Carl dated women in the past which the public did not approve of? I'm still trying to understand why the public reaction is so negative. All I see is pictures of a woman in a swimsuit.
Obviously, I don't know the whole story.
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:00 PM
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The word "commoner" just got a completely new meaning, but it was clear this was coming sooner or later. Congrats to the couple I guess, hope they will be happy. I'd rather say no more at this point than, the press conference was a complete disaster.

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Has Carl dated women in the past which the public did not approve of? I'm still trying to understand why the public reaction is so negative. All I see is pictures of a woman in a swimsuit.
Obviously, I don't know the whole story.
Try to google her, you'll find more then pictures in swimsuit...
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:02 PM
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Has Carl dated women in the past which the public did not approve of? I'm still trying to understand why the public reaction is so negative. All I see is pictures of a woman in a swimsuit.
Obviously, I don't know the whole story.
The DailyMail actually only posted her most "soft" pictures there.
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Has Carl dated women in the past which the public did not approve of? I'm still trying to understand why the public reaction is so negative. All I see is pictures of a woman in a swimsuit.
Obviously, I don't know the whole story.
There are also many pictures without swimsuit
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:04 PM
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Has Carl dated women in the past which the public did not approve of? I'm still trying to understand why the public reaction is so negative. All I see is pictures of a woman in a swimsuit.
Obviously, I don't know the whole story.
Carl Philip dated Emma Pernald for 10 years, and she has a faultless past and she was working full-time. Sofia has posed naked and with a snake and taken part at a racy reality-show "Paradise Hotel". And she was chosen as Miss Slitz of men's magazine Slitz.
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Has Carl dated women in the past which the public did not approve of? I'm still trying to understand why the public reaction is so negative. All I see is pictures of a woman in a swimsuit.
Obviously, I don't know the whole story.
His previously long-term GF, Emma, was well-liked. I doubt there would have been any real objections if they had gotten engaged.

If you google Sofia you will see there are more risque pictures than what the DM published.
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Carl Philip dated Emma Pernald for 10 years, and she has a faultless past and she was working full-time. Sofia has posed naked and with a snake and taken part at a racy reality-show "Paradise Hotel". And she was chosen as Miss Slitz of men's magazine Slitz.
And this woman is going to be a princess?!
Didn't know about Emma- like I say don't follow this family- you should marry who you love, but if I was Carl, I would've stuck with Emma.
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I just keep trying to put myself in Carl's shoes. No matter how I loved someone, if they told me they had done those types of pictures, I would show them the door. Can't imagine any parent being thrilled either. My parents would have cows, but like I said so would I . Throw in being a Princess. Disaster waiting to happen. What was Carl thinking? Did he expect us all to jump for joy? I wonder what Emma must think?
Flawless girl, who gets passed over for a girl with a past?
I know there is nothing illegal about posing for such photos, but it is so dirty and immoral.
I see someone mentioned Prince Harry. There is no way that would ever happen because of the Queen. Case in point Koo Stark.
Agree with K-.man.
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:57 PM
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I just keep trying to put myself in Carl's shoes. No matter how I loved someone, if they told me they had done those types of pictures, I would show them the door. Can't imagine any parent being thrilled either. My parents would have cows, but like I said so would I . Throw in being a Princess. Disaster waiting to happen. What was Carl thinking? Did he expect us all to jump for joy? I wonder what Emma must think?
Flawless girl, who gets passed over for a girl with a past?
I know there is nothing illegal about posing for such photos, but it is so dirty and immoral.
The royals are out looking for love and sometimes the love of their lives have a little past. Everyone pretty much have something in their past that may not look so good. The royals aren't going to find the most perfect people to date and marry because there aren't any perfect people out there.

Now, while many people are looking at Sofia, looking at those pictures and judging her based on all of that, Prince Carl Philip dated and getting ready to marry a woman that he know way beyond those pictures. Most likely his family aren't going to accept a person that's bad for Carl Philip and he most likely wouldn't have asked a bad person to marry him.

I remember there was another young lady that a great deal of people online were against marrying into the British royal family because they thought she loved the media too much, didn't have a job that they would've preferred she had and that her family was very low class. Her name is HRH The Duchess of Cambridge.
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It used to be that if a girl lost her virginity before marriage, she was considered unmarriageable by any decent man (no matter what his past might have been).

So Sofia made some tacky but ultimately minor mistakes in her youth- so what?
Would we deem her unmarriageable? Surely she can marry the man she loves- he's only a man, not a superhuman being despite being a prince.

If people- men and women- are unable to stop thinking about those things, then they are the ones with the problem. CP loves her, the family has accepted her, and the wedding will occur sooner or later . It's pointless and uninteresting and somewhat dubious to continue to fume and stew over a young woman's past errors.

No doubt the wedding and surrounding events will be lovely, babies will come along, and the couple's chances for happiness seem no less good than those of CP's siblings.
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[Would we deem her unmarriageable]// quote

My very middle class parents would have had a complete meltdown if my younger brother had introduced a Sofia Hellqvist into our family.
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It used to be that if a girl lost her virginity before marriage, she was considered unmarriageable by any decent man (no matter what his past might have been).

So Sofia made some tacky but ultimately minor mistakes in her youth- so what?
Would we deem her unmarriageable? Surely she can marry the man she loves- he's only a man, not a superhuman being despite being a prince.

If people- men and women- are unable to stop thinking about those things, then they are the ones with the problem. CP loves her, the family has accepted her, and the wedding will occur sooner or later . It's pointless and uninteresting and somewhat dubious to continue to fume and stew over a young woman's past errors.

No doubt the wedding and surrounding events will be lovely, babies will come along, and the couple's chances for happiness seem no less good than those of CP's siblings.
I disagree with you, Ladongas.

The main issue in my eyes is not the nude photos themselves. Royals get photographed in the buff from time to time themselves.
The main issue in my eyes is that she has very little to offer that outweighs her past.
Has she a university degree? Has she done some serious volunteer work? Has she served in Afghanistan? Has she worked in a refugee camp? Has she worked with handicapped children?
Something that signals that she is more than nude breasts and a reality show.

Being royal today is about representing your country. Wherever she and CP will go on public visits abroad, the nude photos will be published and there is very little else to write about.
In other words: diplomatically speaking she has very little weight.
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I would think the press would have better things to do than keep dragging her past up . What is done is done she can't change it. The family have accepted her and given their blessing that is really what matters. She can learn what ever she needs to know.
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I'm not sure how the Swedish government system works, so if there is someone out there who can clarify, I would appreciate it. I do wonder, if the Swedes really do not like her, and if their taxes are being used to pay for an elaborate royal wedding, could this have an over-all negative outcome on the the future of the monarchy in Sweden? Just asking the question as I'm curious.
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I would think the press would have better things to do than keep dragging her past up . What is done is done she can't change it. The family have accepted her and given their blessing that is really what matters. She can learn what ever she needs to know.
The press loves her because she loves them. It is simple. A photographer turns up and she smiles and poses. A reporter asks something and she answers. The press are bound to love someone who gives them good headlines and beautiful pictures.

Daniel and Chris both were discreet and avoided the press as good as they could. The press had to delve on negative stuff or they wouldn't have had headlines to sell.

... isn't it a crazy world?
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The press loves her because she loves them. It is simple. A photographer turns up and she smiles and poses. A reporter asks something and she answers. The press are bound to love someone who gives them good headlines and beautiful pictures.

Daniel and Chris both were discreet and avoided the press as good as they could. The press had to delve on negative stuff or they wouldn't have had headlines to sell.

... isn't it a crazy world?
Daniel was discreet because he was told to be. He wasn't allowed to talk about Victoria before the engagement. We have all seen that he isn't shy at all and is the most interviewed person in the royal family. Chris isn't in Sweden very much so he doesn't meet the press very much. Obviously no one has said to Sofia that she has to be discreet.
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I'm not sure how the Swedish government system works, so if there is someone out there who can clarify, I would appreciate it. I do wonder, if the Swedes really do not like her, and if their taxes are being used to pay for an elaborate royal wedding, could this have an over-all negative outcome on the the future of the monarchy in Sweden? Just asking the question as I'm curious.
well, Princess Madeleine's wedding was paid privately. About the outcome, i wouldn't know
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