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Old 06-28-2014, 05:39 PM
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She did many tacky things, but she *wasn't* a 'porn-star' (getting a deja-vu of many similar discussions on the 'CP and girlfriend Sofia' thread)
I agree that she was not a "star" but she did indeed do soft porn. Anyone who believes it was ONLY a matter of Sofia simply appearing with a python have not seen the shots of her nude and handcuffed on a beach, or worse, with her legs splayed across the front seat of a convertible. The reality that this same young woman might soon be hopping around in the Connaught tiara tempts me to believe I am dreaming this entire thing. It's had to have crossed Carl-Philip's mind that these are images that his sons and daughters and their friends will see one day.

That said, I am interested in seeing if Sofia will adjust her public demeanor going forward. Her appearance yesterday does not give me cause for optimism.
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I never said she was a porn star....she certainly was in that group though. Making out with Jenna Jameson, if you remember. If it was a matter of cheesecake or bikini photo's whatever but she was fairly explicit, basically soft core. She liked the fast life and a gate way to harder material IMO.
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Old 06-28-2014, 05:50 PM
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The great thing about Sofia is that she was perfectly honest about it from the beginning...she wanted to be famous and she said so. And she has succeeded beyond her wildest dreams.

Her honesty, her persistence, and her lovely figure are three things to admire about her, imo.
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My opinion is a bit of a contradiction because I don't believe in royalty full stop. They are just ordinary people born into a bizarre existence funded by outsiders; there is nothing special about royals. But now I think that the new bride-to-be is simply not "good enough; to marry anyone high-ranking, whether the "high-ranking" was achieved through achieving something extraordinary, or "high-ranking" achieved though being born e.g. as a royal.

It may be that Sofia was only 16 with the nude photos, but how many of us have/had nude photos in high heels from when we were 16? I understand pictures like that when the woman in question has perhaps no other means of earning her money, but I think that was not the case with Sofia.

And that leaves the option that she posed nude in pictures that were published. And that is very cheap and trashy.
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I agree that she was not a "star" but she did indeed do soft porn. Anyone who believes it was ONLY a matter of Sofia simply appearing with a python have not seen the shots of her nude and handcuffed on a beach, or worse, with her legs splayed across the front seat of a convertible. The reality that this same young woman might soon be hopping around in the Connaught tiara tempts me to believe I am dreaming this entire thing. It's had to have crossed Carl-Philip's mind that these are images that his sons and daughters and their friends will see one day.

That said, I am interested in seeing if Sofia will adjust her public demeanor going forward. Her appearance yesterday does
not give me cause for optimism.
This just keeps getting more and more
I agree about TPIR comparison, and future daughters.
I have to say all this does not make Sweden look good. I don't want to offend anybody- Sweden is your country and you have the right to live wherever you want, but I am glad my grandfather immigrated from Sweden.
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Old 06-28-2014, 06:17 PM
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My opinion is a bit of a contradiction because I don't believe in royalty full stop. They are just ordinary people born into a bizarre existence funded by outsiders; there is nothing special about royals. But now I think that the new bride-to-be is simply not "good enough; to marry anyone high-ranking, whether the "high-ranking" was achieved through achieving something extraordinary, or "high-ranking" achieved though being born e.g. as a royal.

It may be that Sofia was only 16 with the nude photos, but how many of us have/had nude photos in high heels from when we were 16? I understand pictures like that when the woman in question has perhaps no other means of earning her money, but I think that was not the case with Sofia.

And that leaves the option that she posed nude in pictures that were published. And that is very cheap and trashy.
Where does this idea that "she was only 16" come from? Her career STARTED at 16 with the blessing of her parents. If it was a matter of one or two photos that she agreed to when she was only a teenager, nobody would fault her for that. I certainly wouldn't.

But Sofia's "career" continued basically right up to her meeting Carl-Philip-allegedly outside of a nightclub-and then overnight she became the philanthropist she promotes herself as today.
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I don't want to offend anybody- Sweden is your country and you have the right to live wherever you want, but I am glad my grandfather immigrated from Sweden.
Only because a Prince is marrying a girl that might not be suitable to be a Princess? Of course everyone is entitled to have an own opinion, but that's quite harsh, imo. Personally I don't understand it at all.
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Maybe it is harsh. I don't want to come off as closed minded. It is probably good that a country is so accepting. But I don't know- I can't wrap my mind around it.
There again, maybe I should visit Sweden before making such judgements.
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Just curious, how do you think Margrethe or Beatrix would have reacted if one of their boy's had brought Ms. Hellqvist to them for approval. Really, not being snarky here. Many mothers would have misgiving's royal or not so I wonder about The queen in this case.
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Where does this idea that "she was only 16" come from? Her career STARTED at 16 with the blessing of her parents. If it was a matter of one or two photos that she agreed to when she was only a teenager, nobody would fault her for that. I certainly wouldn't.

But Sofia's "career" continued basically right up to her meeting Carl-Philip-allegedly outside of a nightclub-and then overnight she became the philanthropist she promotes herself as today.
Nope. I can assure you that I've seen pics of her amost fully naked at the age of 16 unfortunately... So IMO Wich parent allow an underaged daughter to pose naked?
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Just curious, how do you think Margrethe or Beatrix would have reacted if one of their boy's had brought Ms. Hellqvist to them for approval. Really, not being snarky here. Many mothers would have misgiving's royal or not so I wonder about The queen in this case.
We will never know for certain, but for Beatrix & Claus: I gather that never in a million years would a woman with Sofia's resume be accepted, not even for the van Vollenhovens. Apart from the pictures, the general lack of an education, carreer and purpose in life wouldn't have won her any credits. Much more suitable candidates have been sidelined for less and a former prime minister once said that Beatrix had very high standards for her potential daughter-in-laws and disapproved ofmost girlfriends. The standards mostly related to intellect, carreer, politics, thoughts about life and such.

WA's last girlfriend before Maxima was Emily Bremers, who majored in Law, she was considered too 'light' for the job. I believe that in the beginning of the relationship B&C introduced Máxima to Prince Claus' friend Avi Primor, the former Israeli ambassador to Germany, and asked him about his impressions. However, it is not assumed that she ever forced her sons to break up with somebody (perhaps there are other ways).

In the end the monarch isn't only a mother or father, but also a head of a state and responsible for representing the country in a dignified way and for keeping the family relevant (or on the throne). But of course Carl Gustav is no Beatrix. He once said in an interview that Beatrix was 'very ambitious', to which Queen Silvia hastily added that he meant that in a positive way (where would he be without her ).
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I read that Beatrix was very strict with Maxima.
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Max may dress quirkily but she seems a very good person, queen,wife and mother. If Silvia was the type to be as exacting it might be a good thing.
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All the harshness directed towards Sofia will die down after while. Trust me, they'll get over it. The palace PR team is behind her now. Prince Carl Philip and Sofia are moving on to bigger and brighter things while others are stuck in the past.

I'm looking forward to the royal couple conducting official engagements in the days and months to come.
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that is,If you think soft porn princesses are great representatives of a country....
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that is,If you think soft porn princesses are great representatives of a country....
Well, you can't find perfect people to marry into royal families who aren't perfect themselves.
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No, but you can look for people who have not sold photo's of their hoo ha's and party with porn stars. Crazy talk I know, but a middle ground is reasonable.
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As I just have read here Sofia was only 16 when she posed naked?? Wow! Where on earth were her parents? She was very young and I' m not surprised that she fell for a promise of a great career and popularity. Her parents should have protect her and sa.y no. I'm shocked
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Great, let's blame the parents now. Though they may be responsible to a point, that's giving little credit to thousands of 16-year olds in the world who are so much more underprivileged but managed to make it in the world without resorting to selling soft porn photos of themselves.
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I don't blame the parents, but I do wonder what kind of people they are.
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