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Old 03-27-2015, 09:34 AM
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For some reason the german press has been very kind...
Yes but I doubt it is because of what the court has asked for. Its a phenomenon in many countries that they don't pick up on Sofia's past.

@Tilia C.: I was referring to the german tabloid magazines. There approximately 10 different weekly magazines that focus on royals using stereotypes (Letizia anorexic, Mary overspending, pregnancy rumors even for Maxima etc etc).
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the image of the srf, beginning with the bad publicity generated by king carl gustav, has taken a real pounding in recent years. What is very badly needed here is a major dose of gravitas. And i'm sorry but friends of the controversial bride who have starred in snuff films for playboy is not going to accomplish that. All of the tiaras and fairy tale castles and churches in the world will not make up for a guest list like that!

Just take a look at how some of the italian tabloids are discussing/describing sweden's soon-to-be newly minted princess:

svezia: Il principe e l'ex pornostar - mondo - ansa.it
"the prince and the porn star" (italian mondo)

svezia: Il principe e l'ex pornostar - mondo - ansa.it
"sofia: From topless to the kingdom" (italy, la republicca)

svezia, da ex pornostar a principessa: La favola di sofia - social news - quotidianonet - notizie in tempo reale "sofia's fairytale: From porn star to princess" (italy, quotidiano)

granted these are tabloids whose business it is to come up with the catchiest headline. But if sofia is as intelligent and as sensible as she is said to be, she will disinvite certain "types" from this wedding. If for no other reason than out of a desire to shield her new in-laws from as much embarrassment as possible.

Jmho.

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Old 03-27-2015, 09:13 PM
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And even being 'traditional princess material' would not guarantee anything. Some people look perfect on paper but are less than average in practice.

For the rest I guess I agree with your post. And for some people I suppose it's good that they live abroad and not in Europe, least of all in Sweden
I agree that she is not 'traditional princess material', but you are right, it the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter because you cannot quantify people and there is certainly no guarantee that being a member of Swedish high society would ensure a happy marriage.

If, as xenobia surmises, people are already noticing that Carl Philip has a slightly higher royal profile and seems more relaxed and showing a greater degree of self-confidence in royal duties, then Sofia is certainly doing something right and she is obviously very good for him and therefore the entire SRF. Sweden itself can only benefit from a happy and more engaged Carl Philip.

People seem to like her and I have to admit, I like her smile. It seems so engaging and spontaneous and it is in the nature of people to enjoy spending time with someone who is upbeat and engaging because they make them feel good. There just isn't a lot of that going round these days.
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Old 03-28-2015, 02:26 AM
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The spanish press has been busy mocking their own queen for being a divorcee, its not a surprise they refer to Sofia as a stripper. I think the court couldn't care less, the material of Sofia's past is out there for anyone to see, they made their bed by allowing this marriage to happen so they have to lie in it.
Exactly. The best, the only solution now is for the SRF and the Court to circle the wagons and present as supportive and united a front as possible.
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Old 03-28-2015, 05:50 AM
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Exactly. The best, the only solution now is for the SRF and the Court to circle the wagons and present as supportive and united a front as possible.
I don't believe the SRF think there is a problem. Their stance has always appeared to be, "Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead"!
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Old 03-28-2015, 01:54 PM
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About 90% of the women who have married into Royal families in the last decade are not traditional princess material quite frankly, but most of them have turned out well.

However the case of SH is charting entirely new territory. She is attractive, bright, plucky. I've no doubt that she can hold her own with what lies ahead. At least I hope so...I do not want to see the image of the Bernadottes taking more of a beating than it already has.
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About 90% of the women who have married into Royal families in the last decade are not traditional princess material quite frankly, but most of them have turned out well.

However the case of SH is charting entirely new territory. She is attractive, bright, plucky. I've no doubt that she can hold her own with what lies ahead. At least I hope so...I do not want to see the image of the Bernadottes taking more of a beating than it already has.
It's interesting that they gave such a long lead-in time to the wedding, say I who would have liked to see a winter wedding (for once ). The result of such a long wait has not been a gaggle of public events where Sofia has shined. Instead, it's been pretty pokey imo. After all, it really is about the actual members of the royal family, particularly the King and Victoria.

Anyway, I've seen enough to know it's a bit rocky, not as clear sailing as would be good to see. Less and less am I interested. The SRF did what they did because of reasons only they know. Good luck to them. Hope it all goes well. I'm sure it will. But I think people will watch out of less desirable motives. There will always be a titter in the audience, as the saying goes. Too bad. If Carl Philip really loves his sister, I know what he should do, but I doubt he will, or that Sofia will allow it. Yet, maybe it will happen. We'll see, and if it does, then Sofia does love him. I'll be convinced.
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I completely agree. About everything, especially the last sentiment.

But horses will sing opera first.
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Old 03-29-2015, 10:48 PM
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Wow, the amount of vitriol heaped on Sofia truly makes me sad. I had hoped that in this day and age people would be able to look beyond a person's past career. Nothing Sofia did was illegal and therefore in my book it should be a non issue. I'm sure many a person has made questionable choices in their youth but it does not mean we must be defined by them and/or can't move past them.
I have no doubt that Sofia will make Carl Philip an excellent wife and will prove in time to be an asset to the Royal family. I personally look forward to seeing her grow in her new role.
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Old 03-30-2015, 12:40 AM
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It's interesting that they gave such a long lead-in time to the wedding, say I who would have liked to see a winter wedding (for once ). The result of such a long wait has not been a gaggle of public events where Sofia has shined. Instead, it's been pretty pokey imo. After all, it really is about the actual members of the royal family, particularly the King and Victoria.

Anyway, I've seen enough to know it's a bit rocky, not as clear sailing as would be good to see. Less and less am I interested. The SRF did what they did because of reasons only they know. Good luck to them. Hope it all goes well. I'm sure it will. But I think people will watch out of less desirable motives. There will always be a titter in the audience, as the saying goes. Too bad. If Carl Philip really loves his sister, I know what he should do, but I doubt he will, or that Sofia will allow it. Yet, maybe it will happen. We'll see, and if it does, then Sofia does love him. I'll be convinced.
Wow, okay, so in your opinion Sofia hasn't "shined in a gaggle of public events" over the Winter and it's been "pretty pokey". Exactly what was pokey and in what did Sofia not shine?

You now believe "it's a bit rocky", but what exactly is "it" that is rocky?

"But people will watch out of less desirable motives?" Erm, watch what?

"If Carl Philip really loves his sister you know what he should do". I'm sorry, but this confuses me. What is it the Carl Philip should be doing?
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Wow, okay, so in your opinion Sofia hasn't "shined in a gaggle of public events" over the Winter and it's been "pretty pokey". Exactly what was pokey and in what did Sofia not shine?



You now believe "it's a bit rocky", but what exactly is "it" that is rocky?



"But people will watch out of less desirable motives?" Erm, watch what?



"If Carl Philip really loves his sister you know what he should do". I'm sorry, but this confuses me. What is it the Carl Philip should be doing?

Call it a guess, but I have a feeling she means removing himself from the Line of Succession.

Why, I have no idea, but I don't understand all the venom people have been posting about Sofia either, so... One thing I do know, and IMO also believe, is that it's just plain sad.


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I've noticed for a long time, people have a lot of built up frustration from everyday life and they have to take it out on somebody. I guess it's easier to vent about public figures on the net.
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It is a paradox that the less interested a person is in something, the more they will show an apparent interest.

For my part, Sofia's past is becoming less and less important as time goes on. I am by no means enthralled about some of the things that she has done on TV or in magazines, but as it's got nothing to do with me and one cannot erase the past, the only option is to concentrate on the present and the future.

I'm sure I've said it before, but it is what Sofia does now and in the future that counts and, if people allow, things she did in the past will remain there.
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I've noticed for a long time, people have a lot of built up frustration from everyday life and they have to take it out on somebody. I guess it's easier to vent about public figures on the net.
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It is a paradox that the less interested a person is in something, the more they will show an apparent interest . . . . .
Hmm, so Sofia has become a kind of surrogate "whipping boy" to allow people to vent their frustrations in what is essentially a mean and ugly way. Worse, some posters have no actual interest in Sofia or this thread but are here just for the argument?

But isn't that the exact description of a Troll! Defined in the Urban Dictionary as;
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I'd give the best description of trolling as well but it's too rude to post on this board.
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Hmm, so Sofia has become a kind of surrogate "whipping boy" to allow people to vent their frustrations in what is essentially a mean and ugly way. Worse, some posters have no actual interest in Sofia or this thread but are here just for the argument.

But isn't that the exact description of a Troll! Defined in the the Urban Dictionary as;
I'd give the best description of trolling as well but it's too rude to post on this board.
Perfectly well said, Marg! As usual.

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Hmm, so Sofia has become a kind of surrogate "whipping boy" to allow people to vent their frustrations in what is essentially a mean and ugly way. Worse, some posters have no actual interest in Sofia or this thread but are here just for the argument.

But isn't that the exact description of a Troll! Defined in the the Urban Dictionary as;
I'd give the best description of trolling as well but it's too rude to post on this board.
That is the textbook definition of trolling. And frankly, with all the tediously repetitive posts in this thread, I'm beginning to think that some posters post here just to stir up an argument. It's just sad that Sofia must be the target of this nonsensical and immature hatred.

(And I strongly agree with Cris M, great posts as usual Marg! You put into words what I would like to say but ten times more eloquently and sensibly than I ever could've managed to do )
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Whew! Did one ever walk into a briar patch! I've read and re-read my post and the posts of others and can't figure out what precipitated this descent into spamming. Posting on this board is something of a hobby that gives me some pleasure, but not when I find that one is bearing into a head wind. I really don't get it, but here I go.....

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Wow, okay, so in your opinion Sofia hasn't "shined in a gaggle of public events" over the Winter and it's been "pretty pokey". Exactly what was pokey and in what did Sofia not shine?
It's an opinion, Marg. I've been losing interest in her. (I personally think it's due to the long engagement, but there are other factors). Is that offensive to you on some level? I really don't get it. I posted on this thread some time back and so still get it's feed. I saw the posts pertaining to the Italian tabloids (pretty much accentuating the problem) and thought I'd chime in. My view is pertinent to Sofia's future role in the SRF, which is the topic of the thread. It may be an uncomfortable view for you to hear, and for that I'm sorry, but should I not say my view because it makes you uncomfortable? An honest question.

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You now believe "it's a bit rocky", but what exactly is "it" that is rocky?
The whole scenario. There may be tough times ahead. Sofia may be out of her depth. Just a hunch.

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"But people will watch out of less desirable motives?" Erm, watch what?
The wedding.

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"If Carl Philip really loves his sister you know what he should do". I'm sorry, but this confuses me. What is it the Carl Philip should be doing?
Retire to the country. I think he potentially creates a problem for his sister, that's all. It's a point of view. I have my reasons.

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Call it a guess, but I have a feeling she means removing himself from the Line of Succession.
As you can see that is not what I meant, but thank you for trying to interpret me (I guess).

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Why, I have no idea, but I don't understand all the venom people have been posting about Sofia either, so... One thing I do know, and IMO also believe, is that it's just plain sad.
In fact, the reaction to pretty simple posts has more venom than was ever in the original posts, imo. Just saying.

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I've noticed for a long time, people have a lot of built up frustration from everyday life and they have to take it out on somebody. I guess it's easier to vent about public figures on the net.
You know that much about people from brief posts on a chat site? That you can make such personal comments? You're far more insightful than I am, then. For myself, I would never dream of making personal comments about other posters.

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It is a paradox that the less interested a person is in something, the more they will show an apparent interest.
Hmmm......is there a finger being pointed here? Why? Sofia's past will always be an issue. In fact, it's likely why there was such a long lead-in time to the wedding: for the uproar to die down. They knew they had a 'situation'.

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For my part, Sofia's past is becoming less and less important as time goes on. I am by no means enthralled about some of the things that she has done on TV or in magazines, but as it's got nothing to do with me and one cannot erase the past, the only option is to concentrate on the present and the future.
Sounds reasonable. But one will concentrate on the present and future if the said person proves interesting.

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I'm sure I've said it before, but it is what Sofia does now and in the future that counts and, if people allow, things she did in the past will remain there.
A good perspective to take imo. I just think they waited wayyyyy too long for the wedding. I would have been much happier with a winter wedding.

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Hmm, so Sofia has become a kind of surrogate "whipping boy" to allow people to vent their frustrations in what is essentially a mean and ugly way. Worse, some posters have no actual interest in Sofia or this thread but are here just for the argument.
This is ott, imo. You make it impossible for anyone to voice a less than adulatory pov. Why?

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But isn't that the exact description of a Troll! Defined in the the Urban Dictionary as; I'd give the best description of trolling as well but it's too rude to post on this board.
I think it's clear who is being really nasty and venomous now, unfortunately, and who may be venting frustration. Differences of opinion regarding public personages shouldn't be taken so personally, imo. They have nothing whatever to do with our lives.

My view of Sofia has always been clear since I've been acquainted with free spirits like herself. I much prefer to pal around with such than anyone else, in fact (without going down the same path, of course). But there are free spirits and there are free spirits. I don't know Sofia to know what calibre she is. I think it will come clear in time. The indications are there.

My affection for the SRF goes deep. I want them to be well and happy, and be around in a few decades. Let's hope for the best. I think they will survive because of Victoria.

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Perfectly well said, Marg! As usual. Haters gonna hate, but I couldn't care less about them.
There's no reason to hate her, and I don't hear hate in anyone who has posted a cautionary view. But the kick-back for posting a view you do not like, that's 'hating'.
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Can someone explain to me in very basic terms how expressing doubt/concern about the suitability of SH as a Royal princess ="hate and trolling"? My grasp of English is fairly decent, and I am pretty certain that the Board guidelines describe The Royal Forums as a discussion board where differences of opinion are welcome. Attacks on other posters, even sneaky ones, are not.

If I have gotten it wrong, and this is a Fan Page thread where only praise is welcome, the rest of us need to be given full disclosure.

I have carefully gone over my remarks and Lady Nimue's.

There was no hate, no vitriol, and there was most certainly no trolling. Anyone who cares to see a TRUE example of hatred and trolling of Carl-Philip's fiancée need only pm me...I have no problem with providing links to show you examples of the difference.
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I have my doubts for Sofia and she has done nothing to prove them wrong so far. The person's past tells a lot of her.
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To me it is really rude to laugh to someone's disability and even more rude to write about it to a blog. And gross to speak about your undergarments in a magazine.

Has Sofia really changed, or is the old Sofia under her more classier clothes?

About Carl Philip's "higher profile", I see three reasons to that.
Firstly, after the scandal and big headlines with his designs (which weren't his), he or the court hired talented PR-woman Christina Saliba, who knew that Carl Philip needed positive publicity and remembered that Carl Philip had dyslexia and made out that Carl Philip went to a TV-show to talk about that.
Secondly, Sofia has sought for fame and media attention ever since she was sixteen, she didn't want a life with a prince who was hardly seen and noticed. Thirdly, Carl Philip has been seen as lazy and he needed good publicity before the wedding. So he has been working a little more lately.

I find it good that Carl Philip talks about his dyslexia, but he has been of age for 18 years, he could have talked about it long before he was 35. Now it is too transparent.
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