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Old 12-04-2014, 05:12 PM
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Thank you for the excellent link, LadyFinn! What Kerstin Weigl is writing is painfully, disgracefully true, and every royal, current or would-be, "visiting" Africa for "humanitarian" reasons is guilty as charged.

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... Of course a girl with Sofia's background and career needed advice from a wellknown business woman, there is nothing strange in that....
A person only needs such advice if he/she is headed for a goal of some sort.
Why would a "well-known business woman" give advice to a somebody of any sort, unless it was for a certain purpose?
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Old 12-05-2014, 07:34 AM
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Kerstin Weigl, a columnist in Aftonbladet, writes a column called "Orphanage tourism might as well be called cannibalism".
The column is very critical towards white westerners who want an "authentic" experience in a third world country. They spend a few days at an orphanage and then post about it on social media before they go home, well fed and content. And continue their lives.
Sofia Hellqvist has told about months in an orphanage in Ghana where she changed diapers and kissed babies. Lottie Knutsson sold real encounters with street children. Magdalena Graaf bought orphanage job for the whole family.
Now we have orphanage tourism. "Here you can come and help," said Lottie Knutsson in Fritidsresor's commercial for Cape Verde last year. On the film a group of poor children fiddle with toys. Another tip applies to visits to the orphanage.
Volunteer travel agencies manage brilliantly, and the most popular are the visits at children's homes. From Sofia Hellqvist's description of a working day a few years ago: "Coziness, play, changing diapers, baby formula and then pajamas and goodnight kisses. They always give me the nicest smile before I go. I'm home around 18:00 to 19:00 time. 'Showers' with a germicide called Detoil. "
There is no lack of vulnerable children in Sweden. The driving force is different. An imaginary refinement of one's own personality...
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OMG, this speaks of a person being so selfish as to use children in countries stricken with such poverty as down right arrogant selfish and ignorant.
I just don't understand anyone could do this type of volunteer work and then go home and post on social media about *hey look at me, I am doing something good, time to shower and then bed*. I don't get the hardness and coldness in a person heart when they see that others and mostly children have to live like this and face a future of very little possibilities. I am finally dumbfounded by some of the human race...
Thank you Lady Finn for posting this information...
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:45 AM
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OMG, this speaks of a person being so selfish as to use children in countries stricken with such poverty as down right arrogant selfish and ignorant.
I just don't understand anyone could do this type of volunteer work and then go home and post on social media about *hey look at me, I am doing something good, time to shower and then bed*. I don't get the hardness and coldness in a person heart when they see that others and mostly children have to live like this and face a future of very little possibilities. I am finally dumbfounded by some of the human race...
Thank you Lady Finn for posting this information...
Well, the article didn't say that everyone who works with children in third world nations are arrogant and selfish. I personally know serveral people with a honest and warm approach to their work in (mostly) Africa.

There is a fine line here. If you really care about the situation for these children, of course you want to draw attention to their situation and provide more and better help. To do that, you need to publish both text and pitcure to capture other peoples attention. But it's a fine line.
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Old 12-05-2014, 11:42 AM
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Thank you for explaining, I have very strong feelings about how the world treats children in those countries while the heads of state live a very large life while children starve.......I believe there is more then enough money in this entire world to care for children yet the powers to be are mostly selfish and arrogant and don't want to dig into their bank accounts to do so.
If just one person saved a hungry child or rescued an abused animal then there would not be these problems...yet the ways of people in power...
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Old 12-05-2014, 08:59 PM
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All of this is just very depressing somehow. I don't find any of the CP/SH story in the least bit romantic.

Perhaps as the wedding draws closer I will become more enthusiastic. I do love a good Royal wedding.
It isn't easy being upbeat or happy for CP and Sofia in the deluge of negativity.

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Perhaps she just liked her and wanted to help her get out of her old world.
That is obviously the one idea that totally escapes some people. The notion the Sofia is a warm and likeable, if not engaging, woman in her own right. Someone that people like to spend time with.

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Kerstin Weigl, a columnist in Aftonbladet, writes a column called "Orphanage tourism might as well be called cannibalism".
The column is very critical towards white westerners who want an "authentic" experience in a third world country. They spend a few days at an orphanage and then post about it on social media before they go home, well fed and content. And continue their lives.
Sofia Hellqvist has told about months in an orphanage in Ghana where she changed diapers and kissed babies. Lottie Knutsson sold real encounters with street children. Magdalena Graaf bought orphanage job for the whole family.
Now we have orphanage tourism. "Here you can come and help," said Lottie Knutsson in Fritidsresor's commercial for Cape Verde last year. On the film a group of poor children fiddle with toys. Another tip applies to visits to the orphanage.
Volunteer travel agencies manage brilliantly, and the most popular are the visits at children's homes. From Sofia Hellqvist's description of a working day a few years ago: "Coziness, play, changing diapers, baby formula and then pajamas and goodnight kisses. They always give me the nicest smile before I go. I'm home around 18:00 to 19:00 time. 'Showers' with a germicide called Detoil. "
There is no lack of vulnerable children in Sweden. The driving force is different. An imaginary refinement of one's own personality...
Barnhemsturism går lika bra att kalla kannibalism Kerstin Weigl Kolumnister Nyheter Aftonbladet
And there is absolutely no way that Sofia went to Ghana with a "pure heart"?

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OMG, this speaks of a person being so selfish as to use children in countries stricken with such poverty as down right arrogant selfish and ignorant.
I just don't understand anyone could do this type of volunteer work and then go home and post on social media about *hey look at me, I am doing something good, time to shower and then bed*. I don't get the hardness and coldness in a person heart when they see that others and mostly children have to live like this and face a future of very little possibilities. I am finally dumbfounded by some of the human race...
Thank you Lady Finn for posting this information...
And of course Sofia has to be that sort of person. Through this lens Sofia's reasons for being there more than suspect, they are evil. I say this since this article is referenced to Sofia's trip and you are expounding on the evils of such people.

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Well, the article didn't say that everyone who works with children in third world nations are arrogant and selfish. I personally know serveral people with a honest and warm approach to their work in (mostly) Africa.

There is a fine line here. If you really care about the situation for these children, of course you want to draw attention to their situation and provide more and better help. To do that, you need to publish both text and pitcure to capture other peoples attention. But it's a fine line.
No indeed. Not everyone is ignorant, arrogant and selfish. But since this has been used as an "expose" on this thread the message is very clear.

Please understand that the incessant bottom-trawling on this thread in a bid to find something, anything, to use against Sofia is not just old but it sucks the life out of the anyone posting poitively and is just downright depressing.
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Old 12-06-2014, 04:52 AM
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^^^^^ i agree with you Marg, but as this is the discussion thread, this is the one place were these opinions should be posted (and obviously people feel the need to reitterate their opinion)
What is interesting to me is the longetivity of this topic, and lack of willingness by some people to consider the possibility that a person can change throughout their life.

This could be a big hurdle for P.C-P and Sofia to overcome in their joint future; even though the average opinion in Sweden itself seems to be different from the opinion outside Sweden, there still will be added difficulty for them.

imo it will be interesting to see how things will evolve in the future and where their path will lead them..
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Old 12-06-2014, 05:07 AM
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MARG:And of course Sofia has to be that sort of person. Through this lens Sofia's reasons for being there more than suspect, they are evil. I say this since this article is referenced to Sofia's trip and you are expounding on the evils of such people.

I was responding to the article in general and I did not mention anyone's name....there are many people of this world that exploit the misery of the poor and helpless to gain profit/name/power whatever for themselves. I truly would like to think that no member of a royal family would do such a thing when they have just about everything at their finger tips and few worries in the world. Have I been hard on SH, yes and I would love to see her do something positive and in a huge way to be a member of this royal family. I also believe in second chances and yet have seen so many girls with a past like hers using people to get what they want, I truly hope this isn't her way and yet we all just have to wait and see as time will tell. And I am not afraid to *eat my words* or admit my mistakes as I know that mistakes only make a person grow and learn and hopefully she will grow and learn for now she surly does have the great opportunities to help the poor and helpless in life as does Queen Silvia, someone she could look up to, her future mother-in-law.
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Old 12-06-2014, 05:22 AM
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she surly does have the great opportunities to help the poor and helpless in life as does Queen Silvia, someone she could look up to, her future mother-in-law.
I agree it's great they have joint interests and Sofia can learn a lot from Queen Silvia's experience over the years.
And who knows maybe Sofia can help Queen Silvia to improve her swedish
(little joke here people, i do realise that Q.Silvia's swedish will probably not improve anymore; but at least that's something that Sofia doesn't have to work on; she does speak the language )
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Old 12-06-2014, 08:15 AM
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People like Babro mentor young people with goals, education who wan't to improve themselves and who wan't to make a diffrence in the world.

Sofia hasn't done anything educationwise, nor workwise in her last years; and her charity-work is very minimal - a week in Africa and some events - nothing what would anyone with goals in life keep apart from studies or work.

So, yes - as Sofia doesn't fit the profil for any 'mentoring programm' one does ask, how comes, she calls Babro her Mentor. At least now mentoring programm I know of would ever consider her as worthwhile the effort.

Beeing nice, warm, intelligent, charming or whatever softskills isn't just enough in the real world.
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Old 12-06-2014, 05:35 PM
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MARG: And of course Sofia has to be that sort of person. Through this lens Sofia's reasons for being there [are] more than suspect, they are evil. I say this since this article is referenced to Sofia's trip and you are expounding on the evils of such people.
Too extreme, dear SElizabeth. (I understand why you said it). Even with what the world considers the worst of intentions very often enormous good is done in the world. The starving hands who desperately grasp the food care not if the food is there because of noble or ignoble reasons. Food is food. Care is care.

Frankly, I think there's some cause to question the motives of the article.

The only aspect of charity work that I know from personal experience is the salaries (or honorariums) people get for high-profile work, especially if it's one's 'own' charity, founded by oneself. Inevitably one does pay oneself a salary. This is not 'bad' just the nature of the beast. IMO anyone who questions that arrangement is not being reasonable, but I do think it's a factor that is often glossed over. Charity work is work and there is a paycheck usually at the end of it, which I have no problem with myself.

Also, too, who are we to judge anyone's motives? I mean that honestly. A very famous royal, very much admired for their charitable work, once honestly mused to a friend that it wasn't that they liked the charity work (or were really interested in the various charities) but that 'what else is there to do?' Yet even with such a distant relationship to the task, I think it can be said that that person did good.

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Being nice, warm, intelligent, charming or whatever soft skills isn't just enough in the real world.
Though I understand your global point and agree in principle, I see every day people getting a gig because they are known to be pleasant on long shoots in the jungles of Malaysia, for example. They have to be proficient, of course (fools are not suffered gladly), but amiability ranks high among the social oils.

Sofia coming to Babro's attention is significant. I have long maintained that Sofia has to be a delight (but she's not a cream puff, either, she also has to have drive and ambition, goes with the territory). I think they are friends. JMO. That the friendship is formalized publicly as a mentorship I find interesting, for exactly the reasons most people would pick up on: Sofia does not fit the profile of the kind of person Barbro usually mentors, at least through her formal mentoring program. That isn't to say she doesn't help anyone she meets in her social whirl (which appears to be considerable) that she comes to like and be impressed by. She may mentor many who simply are not part of her formal mentoring program. So in the end, Sofia (and Carl Philip) describing Barbro as Sofia's mentor may be very much stating the way the relationship has gone. JMO.
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Old 12-20-2014, 08:45 AM
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Sofia has obviously sung or hummed "Bjällerklang" (Jingle Bells) at the Slitz Christmas Record 2004.
"10 Christmas Classics, 10 hot Slitz-models"
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This one?

I'm not that familiar with Sofia's voice, so could this be her?
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:12 AM
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This one?

I'm not that familiar with Sofia's voice, so could this be her?
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Old 12-30-2014, 03:17 AM
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Sofia with swedish soft porn star Elita Löfblad (she used name Elita Sanders in films) in 2005 and 2006. Elita took part at Big Brother in 2005. Elita has posed for Slitz like Sofia, and also for Playboy.
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Buhu. They are nice to Sofia. That's horrible! Or is it? I'm soooo tired of everyone trying to find something negative to say about her.
I have no comment to make about Sofia appearing on the photo, bearing in mind the current developments!!

However about negative comments about Sofia, I think she simply provided the grounds herself. A friend of mine recently told me "When I see her, I wonder about her snake".
Looking objectively at her background, the following aspects come to my mind:
- her education/studies : (hardly) nothing known, which de facto tends to mean "low level"
- career : inexistant, or unappropriate for a future princess/member of the RF
- current improvements underway : not any known
- achievements : apart from a controversial model/actress career, the Sth Afrcia project, doubious it could be significant. An involvement so far away can hardly be substantial
- personality : little known, or controversial

That sort of assessment would normally place her quite low on an evaluation scale for contemporary young Swedish women. Did I miss something important?

This leads to a few comments about Carl-Philip. I think that changing the rules for succession to the throne towards equal gender rules was quite a good thing. Unless he would have had a totally different education, and would have been motivated for that, I am doubioud about the popularity scores he could achieve (his current one is very low).
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This leads to a few comments about Carl-Philip. I think that changing the rules for succession to the throne towards equal gender rules was quite a good thing. Unless he would have had a totally different education, and would have been motivated for that, I am dubious about the popularity scores he could achieve (his current one is very low).
Dead right there. We will never know if being the direct heir would have created another kind of personality in CP, but in terms of over-all intelligence and sheer ambition for the task, Victoria has been a win-win for the SRF and Sweden in general imo. In this case the oldest born truly did have all the right qualities to be sovereign. JMO.
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what will be sofia's title after the wedding? will she be addressed as Princess Sofia, Duchess of Värmland? do you think she may refuse a title to avoid controversy, just like chris did (although in his case for business purposes)?
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what will be sofia's title after the wedding? will she be addressed as Princess Sofia, Duchess of Värmland? do you think she may refuse a title to avoid controversy, just like chris did (although in his case for business purposes)?
She'll become HRH Princess Sofia of Sweden, Duchess of Värmland indeed. As the wife of a prince, she's automatically a princess by courtesy, very different situation than with the husband of a princess.
She'll become a member of the 'official' Royal Family, unlike Chris.
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About Sofia's title, the director of the press department, Margareta Thorgren, told to the press that the decision about the possible title will be made in the autumn.
Any updates? Autumn is long over.

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As the wife of a prince, she's automatically a princess by courtesy, very different situation than with the husband of a princess.
She'll become a member of the 'official' Royal Family, unlike Chris.
It is highly probable, but not automatic. The king of Sweden has full discretion over the titles and membership of the royal house.
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