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Old 11-19-2014, 04:49 PM
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- This is with reference to post no 704! :)


I beg to differ, unless they've changed it in the last 10 months. I say this because I have posted a lot on Wikipedia, and nobody has questioned my sources.


The problem with schools is that national systems differ widely in different countries. E.g. Vansbro Utbildningscenter is not a high school as in "gymnasium" but a secondary school. Secondary school, on the other hand, is not secondary school known in the UK, Germany or Oz. Swedish "hogskola" is not "high school" but education in higher education establishments such as universities. The Oz equivalent to "gymnasieskola" seems to be Tafe, which can, as is the case with gymnasieskola, lead to university but does not have to; it depends what you choose to do. - This is not in reference to SH, but in general.


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I find the discussion about Sofia's education quite interesting. A lot of famous personalities, including royals, are known of have 'attended' so and so institution according to their profiles and CVs. That is a rather common way of putting these things when a person did not graduate with a degree. If a person actually has a degree, there is no need to be so vague, the fact will be stated simply and clearly on their resume/profile. I always get suspicious when the word "attended" appears anywhere in such a context. I have never used the word myself when describing my educational background. I explicitly mention my degrees.
BRILLIANT! This is exactly what it is! If you did it you did it and you can say it. Anything else is fluff of some sort from somewhere, but does not address what actually is the case!
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I find the discussion about Sofia's education quite interesting. A lot of famous personalities, including royals, are known to have 'attended' so and so institution according to their profiles and CVs. That is a rather common way of putting these things when a person did not graduate with a degree. If a person actually has a degree, there is no need to be so vague, the fact will be stated simply and clearly on their resume/profile. I always get suspicious when the word "attended" appears anywhere in such a context. I have never used the word myself when describing my educational background. I explicitly mention my degrees.
Exactly. "Attended" could mean anything from "I registered for a knitting class, but never actually went to any" onwards!
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Old 11-20-2014, 04:31 AM
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I still can't find any where that she has actually graduated from any school with a diploma or certificate and if anyone has info please inform. And just because she *attended* does not mean she graduated. I went to the University of Chicago and Rice University in Houston for classes in Ancient Egyptian history and that does not mean I graduated with a 2/4 year degree, as they where just adult continuing education classes of my interest. She really needs to get her act together beside wearing pretty clothes and standing beside PC looking like she is interested in what is going on...I would think to be in her position that you would have to be more educated, worldly/up on current events/speak another language/develop interests to support the people and the royal family/learning who the other royal families in Europe are(that should be a must)/and looking to other royal women who take strong active roles in their positions.......she has lots to learn now if she want to be more then a pretty face.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:10 AM
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hey guys new here!!i ain't from sweden but i heard a little about sofia how people in sweden doesn't accept her as a future princess but i read that the royal family adore her but everyone has a past and she seems like a ginuwine person.
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Old 11-21-2014, 09:23 AM
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None of us know what Sofia is learning or studying. I don't think because she didn't graduate with a degree she is a stupid girl. I think she will learn all she needs to know and learn through all her new experiences as a royal princess.
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None of us know what Sofia is learning or studying. I don't think because she didn't graduate with a degree she is a stupid girl. I think she will learn all she needs to know and learn through all her new experiences as a royal princess.
The British Royal Family has/had several members without degrees, e.g. Princess Anne, Prince Andrew, Princess Diana, and Prince Harry just to name a few. In Sweden itself, I don't think Prince Daniel holds any degree.
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None of us know what Sofia is learning or studying. I don't think because she didn't graduate with a degree she is a stupid girl. I think she will learn all she needs to know and learn through all her new experiences as a royal princess.
Thank you Princess Carmen, I was beginning to think I was as thick as two short planks considering I haven't got a degree (I do know my numbers and can even write my own name!)
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:37 AM
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Welcome to the club, Jacknch. I didn't even go to high school.
So you and I (and Sophia Hellqvist) must therefore be "practically minded".

That doesn't mean one can't attend courses and go to school later on in life though...
Do we know anything about Sofia Hellqvist having done that?
Do we even know anything about how Sofia did back in school?
And this is for Swedes in particular: Judging from Sofia's Swedish, how will you label her? Will you take a guess at her level of education based on how she express herself and choice of words and her vocabulary?

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Old 11-21-2014, 11:24 AM
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I still can't find any where that she has actually graduated from any school with a diploma or certificate and if anyone has info please inform. And just because she *attended* does not mean she graduated. I went to the University of Chicago and Rice University in Houston for classes in Ancient Egyptian history and that does not mean I graduated with a 2/4 year degree, as they where just adult continuing education classes of my interest. She really needs to get her act together beside wearing pretty clothes and standing beside PC looking like she is interested in what is going on...I would think to be in her position that you would have to be more educated, worldly/up on current events/speak another language/develop interests to support the people and the royal family/learning who the other royal families in Europe are(that should be a must)/and looking to other royal women who take strong active roles in their positions.......she has lots to learn now if she want to be more then a pretty face.
Perhaps Sofia is not interested in anything other than being CP's wife and mother of his children. Nothing wrong with that. You are so hard on her.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:34 AM
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Sincerely, I don't like many things about Sofia, but maybe in her future role she will positively surprise us.

From other side, it amazes me how some accept only rich and/or noble women as appropriate potential spouses for that kind of royal/noble men.
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Old 11-21-2014, 12:00 PM
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Sofia has said at an interview that they would like to expand the Project Playground, maybe even to Sweden. So that would mean more work, at least I think so. Her PR-team has worked so hard to make her look like a seriously working woman.
I am not writing here a lot, but I have been reading your posts for years. You have clearly very much something against this young woman Sofia Helqvist. Why? Every young person make their mistakes, but does Sofia have to serve a life sentence for her youngth stupidity. You compare her all the time to princess Madeline. Maybe there is just a little possibility that Sophie is a real person of these two not that Madeline you want to believe to. I think Sophie loves Carl Philip and wants really to suppost him. Maybe she is still a little lost, but she will learn what to do and how to beheave. Just give her a little mercy.
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Old 11-21-2014, 01:40 PM
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For future role, i'd really like it if she would promote modern jewelry by swedish designers, i think could really wear modern design well.
The SRF ofcourse has a huge collection of jewelry and i love to see P.Victoria and Q.Silvia in those fabulous pieces; but i really hope Sofia will use more modern stuff.
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Old 11-21-2014, 03:18 PM
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I still can't find any where that she has actually graduated from any school with a diploma or certificate and if anyone has info please inform. And just because she *attended* does not mean she graduated.
You're just determined to find fault in her, aren't you?

No one has said she's graduated from anything. The Palace has said that she studied "accounting with computer application, specializing in business development" at the Institute of English and Business in New York. The way that's phrased makes me think she might have gotten some kind of certificate there, but that's just me - and the phrasing could just be a translation thing. The Palace isn't saying it.

They then say that she studied "various courses" at Stockholm University, but again don't say that she graduated - making me think that she just took some courses. Nothing wrong with that; she may not have enjoyed it enough to do a full program, or she may have felt that she didn't need the degree in order to apply what she had learned - the courses the Palace lists all look like they would be things that Sofia would use for Project Playground.

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She really needs to get her act together beside wearing pretty clothes and standing beside PC looking like she is interested in what is going on...
How does she not have her act together? This is a woman who is running the Swedish offices of a non-profit organization that seems to be successful and that she helped found. Just because you only see her when she's doing things with CP doesn't mean that's all she does. We're told to assume that other Royals are doing more than they seem, but people seem to not want to extend the same courtesy to Sofia - who publicly holds down a job unlike some of her soon-to-be counterparts.

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I would think to be in her position that you would have to be more educated, worldly/up on current events/speak another language/develop interests to support the people and the royal family/learning who the other royal families in Europe are(that should be a must)/and looking to other royal women who take strong active roles in their positions.......she has lots to learn now if she want to be more then a pretty face.
First of all, based on what? There are some very successful individuals who don't have huge educational backgrounds, and there are other royals who don't. In the UK, Princess Anne and Princes Andrew and Harry didn't continue their educations past a secondary level, Carl Gustav of Sweden doesn't seem to hold any degrees (like Sofia, he seems to have just taken courses at Stockholm University), and it doesn't look like Prince Daniel did any post secondary education. I don't think Prince Laurent of Belgium went on to post secondary either.

Second of all, in what way is having or not having a university degree related to how worldly or up to date on current events a person is? What basis do you have to say that Sofia isn't worldly or informed on what's happening in the world? Should we assume that because he didn't go to university - and struggled in his secondary education - Prince Harry doesn't understand current events either?

Harry certainly doesn't seem to speak another language. In fact, it doesn't seem like most British royals are fluent in any language other than English. You know who's probably pretty fluent in at least 2 languages? Sofia. She grew up and lives in Sweden, meaning she probably speaks pretty good Swedish, and she's lived in New York and works with an international organization which certainly implies to me that she has a firm grasp of English.

You've also implied that she doesn't do anything to support the RF or Sweden, and hasn't looked at what other female royals (or royal spouses) have done... But what bases do you have for this assumption? Sofia is presenting herself as a woman interested in charity and capable of carrying herself at royal functions. She's criticized for smiling too much for the cameras, but if she wasn't she'd be criticized for not smiling (consider how Charlene of Monaco was treated pre-pregnancy). After her last event she was criticized for trying too much to copy how Kate presents herself - but now you're criticizing her for not looking at how other royal women are doing it?

Also, what basis do you have for assuming that she's not familiar with who other royals are? Have we seen her at any engagements with other royal families other than perhaps Madeleine's wedding? Have we seen her interacting with non-Swedish royals or failing to do so when they're present? Do we have any actual reason to assume that she doesn't know who other royals are? This can be said of some royal individuals, sure, but I don't think we have any reason to assume this of Sofia yet.
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And she has her blind supporters and fans where she can do no wrong...so be it and life still goes one and time will tell..................such is the way of some people in this world.
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Old 11-21-2014, 03:45 PM
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She really needs to get her act together beside wearing pretty clothes and standing beside PC looking like she is interested in what is going on...I would think to be in her position that you would have to be more educated, worldly/up on current events/speak another language/develop interests to support the people and the royal family/learning who the other royal families in Europe are(that should be a must)/and looking to other royal women who take strong active roles in their positions.......she has lots to learn now if she want to be more then a pretty face.
The thing is, you don't have to have a degree in anything to be interested and educated in what's going on. To think that is the case is very elitist. Not everyone can afford higher education. It is the same as saying that you can't be a good director unless you've graduated from film school which absolutely isn't the case.

I'd go on a ledge and say that since Sofia has attended SRF events alongside foreign royals (Princess Estelle's christening, e.g.), she has a pretty good idea of the basics. She has been involved with Project Playground which easily could have been something someone already within a royal family could have been involved in. As for looking to other royal women, how do we know she hasn't done that for years? I'd say she has two prime examples of hard working royal ladies in her future mother-in-law, Silvia, and sister-in-law, Victoria. And I'm sure they're more than willing to give her support and advice
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Old 11-22-2014, 11:10 PM
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And she has her blind supporters and fans where she can do no wrong...so be it and life still goes one and time will tell..................such is the way of some people in this world.
I am a little confused by this. I am not a blind supporter or a fan as I know very little about Sophia, a lot of contradictory information has and is showered on us from tabloids, etc. but they are hardly known for reporting dispassionate truth above all.

What I do know is that, all things being equal, she will be married to Prince Carl-Philip next (northern) summer. So I sort of took a check on royal (male) spares, so to speak.

The Dutch: Seem to have their own careers.

The Belgiums: Ditto

The Danes: Former gentleman farmer, now? Not sure.

The Spanish: N/A

The British: Military and . . .

Then I thought about their wives, where applicable. Some have/had careers, some work almost full time with Foundations and Charities and some are almost invisible.

Weirdly enough, the BRF is the only family that has not suceeded in establishing careers because of the accusations of favouritism, exploting the BRF for trade and filthy lucre and other such nonsense, all the way to the third son of QEII. The quaint societal mores of "Being in Trade" from the 18th and 19th Centuries, still seem to be alive and kicking, sometimes viciously, here in the 21st Century.

Princess Anne, being both female and a successful equestrian, enabled her, over time, to seague effortlessly into what she has now. All earned initially by her equestrian skills. But it should be remembered, it was not nor is it now, overtly commercial.

The point is, the BRF is an anomoly and elsewhere the 'spares plus their families' only come out to play on high days and holidays and perhaps the odd State Visit.

What their wives do is pretty well set. First the children and, when they are at school, careers or charities. But nobody is cracking the whip, it just seems that's the way of things.

Then there is Sweden: Carl-Philip's education, military service, design asperations and interest in motor racing are all sneered at and dismissed as Not Good Enough. Strangely enough, not content with lambasting his fiance for her 'shocking past' and sneering at her participation in 'Project Playground', she is getting caned for not having her entire royal future mapped out and printed on the Royal Website.

Whatever happened to giving someone a fair break? If she does something truely reprehensible, have at it, but this woman hasn't even made it to the altar and her very existance seems to inflame some people, enraging them past the point of common decency let alone common sense. The notion that she might prove an asset is right up there with alien abductions.

I am willing to wait to see what, if any, future role in the royal family eventuates. There is really no other way and my crystal ball is somewhat cracked.

For me, her early past doesn't thrill me any but at 16 my only question is "where were her parents at such an important stage of development in a teenager's life"?

For her future? Well unlike many future princesses, she at least has a headstart in charity work, which bodes well for the future. And as she is more and more officially on our radar, so to speak, her future in the SRF will become a little clearer.
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]I am a little confused by this. I am not a blind supporter or a fan [/B]as I know very little about Sophia, a lot of contradictory information has and is showered on us from tabloids, etc. but they are hardly known for reporting dispassionate truth above all.

What I do know is that, all things being equal, she will be married to Prince Carl-Philip next (northern) summer. So I sort of took a check on royal (male) spares, so to speak.

The Dutch: Seem to have their own careers.

The Belgiums: Ditto

The Danes: Former gentleman farmer, now? Not sure.

The Spanish: N/A

The British: Military and . . .

Then I thought about their wives, where applicable. Some have/had careers, some work almost full time with Foundations and Charities and some are almost invisible.

Weirdly enough, the BRF is the only family that has not suceeded in establishing careers because of the accusations of favouritism, exploting the BRF for trade and filthy lucre and other such nonsense, all the way to the third son of QEII. The quaint societal mores of "Being in Trade" from the 18th and 19th Centuries, still seem to be alive and kicking, sometimes viciously, here in the 21st Century.

Princess Anne, being both female and a successful equestrian, enabled her, over time, to seague effortlessly into what she has now. All earned initially by her equestrian skills. But it should be remembered, it was not nor is it now, overtly commercial.

The point is, the BRF is an anomoly and elsewhere the 'spares plus their families' only come out to play on high days and holidays and perhaps the odd State Visit.

What their wives do is pretty well set. First the children and, when they are at school, careers or charities. But nobody is cracking the whip, it just seems that's the way of things.

Then there is Sweden: Carl-Philip's education, military service, design asperations and interest in motor racing are all sneered at and dismissed as Not Good Enough. Strangely enough, not content with lambasting his fiance for her 'shocking past' and sneering at her participation in 'Project Playground', she is getting caned for not having her entire royal future mapped out and printed on the Royal Website.

Whatever happened to giving someone a fair break? If she does something truely reprehensible, have at it, but this woman hasn't even made it to the altar and her very existance seems to inflame some people, enraging them past the point of common decency let alone common sense. The notion that she might prove an asset is right up there with alien abductions.

I am willing to wait to see what, if any, future role in the royal family eventuates. There is really no other way and my crystal ball is somewhat cracked.

For me, her early past doesn't thrill me any but at 16 my only question is "where were her parents at such an important stage of development in a teenager's life"?

For her future? Well unlike many future princesses, she at least has a headstart in charity work, which bodes well for the future. And as she is more and more officially on our radar, so to speak, her future in the SRF will become a little clearer.
I did not mention any names of anyone here as to who her fans/supporters are, if someone wants to think that they are in that category I can't help that, that is their thought, not mine. I said that in general as there are fans and supporters of SH and that is okay as there are some that are not her fans and supporters and that also is okay. We all have our own opinions of this person, all of us that follow this thread or any other thread, so be it. I am not criticizing you for your opinion as that is your opinion as it should be, just as I have mine as it should be......so If someone does not like my opinion that I will just let it fly and be done with it and go on and do my thing as I expect others will do their thing. I am not going to change my mind on any subject and I do not expect anyone to change their mind on any subject just because I wrote something. All of our opinions are just that...........our opinions and nobody should be attacked or called names for their opinion..........nobody!
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Thanks for a great post, Marg.

The thing I'd like to point out is that the SRF to some extent differ a little from most other RF's.
V&D, the heir, haven't yet produced a "spare", so we must expect them to have at least one more child and that means Victoria at least will be away for some time and because V&D are hands on parents like most of the RF's nowadays, there is a limit to how much they can take on.

In practically all the other countries, the heirs have had the children they want and have either already taken over or are in the process of taking over. They are working full time now, in a couple of countries working almost overtime because the former monarch "was abdicated".

Sweden is slightly different. V&D are the superstars in SRF, they are the ones the people want to see and to a lesser extent Queen Silvia. King CG has a lot of work ahead of him as he is very low on points.
My point is: The SRF needs good PR, and now.

With Madeleine away in New York, being Mrs. O'Neil who happens also to be Princess of Sweden, there is little help from that side.
In a monarchy if a royal is not around and often, that royal gradually becomes irrelevant.
So IMO I simply cannot imagine CP&S being allowed to take a backseat. Apart from relieving V&D in particular there is too much "glamour-factor" going to waste if they did not become active royals. Especially with Sofia being very low on points to begin with and with CP's work-ethics being questioned.

So the big question for me is:
Is Sofia up for the job?
Will CP mature and become a big asset for the SRF? - And now I'm being sexist here. A man like CP will not truly grow up before he meets a woman strong enough to pull his ears once in a while. We have seen that several times here on TRF.
If not, the rows on this thread will flare up again and again and again for years to come. - Then the next hope will be that they mature once they become parents, that tends to change people's view on life quite a lot.
If CP&S become fulltime royals, and doing just a decent job at it, the sceptics will be proven wrong.
If they don't, if they take the backseat or they flop while on the job, the sceptics will be proven right.
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