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Old 11-15-2014, 06:16 PM
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"A member of the House of Bernadotte, Prince Carl Philip undertakes royal duties on behalf of his father, King Carl XVI Gustaf. He has acted as royal representative in the absence of his father and his older sister, Crown Princess Victoria"


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Regardless of what SH may have been or not, I cannot see how she could survive if she doesn't venture out. If CP is to do what the link says he has been doing, SH must get comfortable to be in the public eye and perform as an person in her own right. I cannot see what else could be viable.
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Old 11-16-2014, 05:05 AM
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A question: this idea has been brought up a fair bit, the "I don't like her now, but I could be proven wrong." As I understand it, a lot of the people saying this seem to be of the opinion that she's not moved on from her past life and that she's only with CP because of the titles, money, fame, etc. I can see some of the reasoning for this type of argument, even though I don't agree with it, but I do kind of wonder just what kind of behaviour they expect from Sofia in the future in order to disprove this idea?

I ask because it seems to me she has moved on from her past life. I could be giving her the benefit of the doubt too much, but it seems to me like she was moving on from the life she had - the modeling, the TV show, the making out with Jenna Jameson - well before she met CP; granted I'm basing this on Wikipedia, but it seems to me like those activities stopped, or at least went into decline post-Paradise Hotel, when she moved to New York and started working in Yoga. That was about 10 years ago, when she was only 20. The "worst" aspects of her life all seem to have been behaviour that were undertaken before she could legally drink in the U.S. I could be completely wrong, there could be a lot of stories about her behaviour in the last 10 years that just aren't on her Wikipedia page, but if I'm right I wonder what it is that she needs to do to prove that she's changed in the last 10 years?

I'm not sure what she was doing for work between 2005 and 2010, although Wikipedia is leading me to believe Yoga, but it seems to me like since then, for the last 4 years she's been working with Project Playground. I personally like to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she has an active role in the Swedish side of the operations, as she claims, although I understand and respect that others aren't giving her that benefit and think she's using it as a front to make herself look good. If I'm right, then I think this could be a perfect background for moving into many of the more charitable duties that come with being a royal.

I do see the point that she could be seen as a fame seeker, and I think it's a fairly justifiable argument - she's a woman who in her late teens was clearly seeking fame. But that 5 year gap between Paradise Hotel and her relationship with CP becoming public makes me feel like she may not actually be seeking it as much as we accuse her of being; she's someone who's warm with the press, sure (in a way that I often see younger royals being criticized for not being), but I kind of get the sense that after Paradise Hotel she decided to step back from the limelight a bit; her relationship seems to be more the man who she's with pushing her back into the spotlight than her desire to be in the spotlight manipulating her relationship decisions (although that again could be me giving her the benefit of the doubt too much). That said, I can't help but feel that a more successful royal relationship is one that is based on love but also a desire for the role; so if Sofia actually wants the role and likes what comes with it, if she's genuinely in love with CP (and I think she is), then is this really all that bad?

Sorry, that ended up being far longer than I expected it to be.
This is a wonderful posting which I can onl applaud to. It includes what I have written many times now: That she hasn't done anything bad / scandalous since she's been involved with CP. She has moved on from her wild days, which means she has proven that she is not only "kissing with pornstars", "doing soft porn / bikini shootings", "seeking fame for all it's worth". I admit I also am a bit unsure about her yoga work which is written on her Wikipedia page. As far as I know she has not much to do with yoga these days exept from designing some comfy yoga clothes a while back. If I have to say what she does on a day to day base I would say she is a fulltime charity worker for PP. I see her doing a lot of work for PP which I don't think is a bad thing.

From which money she lives I can't say. Maybe it's CPs private money but if that's the case, who are we to judge? If it's okay for both of them than we should keep our mouthes shut. If she lives of her parents money it's also not our right to judge and if she has her own money from her wild days of modeling and being a little starlet .... well she's has earned it. Whatever it is, she clearly doesn't life of wellfare money, but of some kind of private money and she does something worthwhile with her time instead of working at some McDonalds for money she just spends for herself. That's all that matters for now.

But I really hope she does more in the near future. Getting involved more with some causes. She and CP could do a lot more. That's where I agree with those who like to judge her and CP hard.
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Old 11-16-2014, 07:12 AM
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Just to make it clear where I stand: I'm not impressed with her past.
There are several reasons.
Her past as a nude model and a contestant in a IMO trashy TV-show, renders her less suitable as a royal. Sorry, there are other rules for royals. Otherwise royals wouldn't be special.
But my main objection, or rather reservation, is that even though she hasn't done anything unfortunate in recent years, she hasn't, apart from Project Playground, accomplished anything either.
No education, no further dedication to charities, no serving abroad in say Afghanistan, no working in a refugee camp, no active involvement in say animal protection and so on.
In short: I don't know who Sofia Hellqvist is and what she stands for.
That means she's low on points on the suitabillity scale, in my eyes. Not least since she has dated CP for years now and have had plenty of time to polish her image.

Now, she is going to be princess next year, regardless of what I and others may think of her suitabillity.
And don't get me wrong. I want her to succeed. I want to be proven wrong. - If not for Sofia's sake then certainly for the SRF. The SRF don't need CP&S to be widely disrespected and V&D deserve someone to help shouldering the burden.
Because whether it has really dawned on Sofia or not, next year she will be signing a contract saying: "I pledge to devote my entire life to the service of Sweden".
That's why I'd like to know who the H... Sofia is and what you think she can contribute with.

We have already established that there are quite a lot of things CP&S can get involved with.
How about fashion? I don't know about fashion, but I understand it's not Victoria's strongest point. Can you see Sofia promoting Swedish fashion instead? As far as I have seen there hasn't been anything wrong with the way Sofia has dressed so far, when the big show is on.
Or would that be a PR-mistake you think?

Again, if you were to advise CP&S in regards to PR and the work they can do for Sweden, what would you suggest?
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Old 11-16-2014, 07:30 AM
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Sofia has said at an interview that they would like to expand the Project Playground, maybe even to Sweden. So that would mean more work, at least I think so. Her PR-team has worked so hard to make her look like a seriously working woman. I think that it would not be a wise choice for her to start to promote swedish fashion. If the king thinks that Sofia can continue at Project Playground after the wedding, that would be the best thing for her to do. And if she works there almost full time like now, she doesn't have time for a lot of other things.
Victoria wears quite much swedish fashion and jewellery and promotes it that way. She has attended at the Stockholm Fashion Week and held the opening speech. She was in London to inaugurate the swedish fashion week 5 years ago.
Victoria and Daniel have both worked more than ever before during their marriage this year. The Bernadottes usually live as very old, so Victoria could have her father as a king for maybe 10-15 years still. And then Estelle can start working, so Victoria and Daniel don't need help from Carl Philip and Sofia.

Since Carl Philip is so "artistic" with his designing, he could start to promote the swedish art.
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Old 11-16-2014, 07:34 AM
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For me it's not yet clear where Sofia's personal interests lie, i think she and P.C-P share a love for fast cars, but i don't know if there's something there for her to actually *do*.
P.C-P loves design, but it's not clear if that (or fashion) actually has Sofia's interest.

Imo where the SRF could use a little help is in the PR-department, but i'm not sure if Sofia's experience in tv has actually translated into an understanding of how the medium works..

That said, imo project Playground is a really good cause, and you don't necessarily have to have loads of causes going on, sometimes it's better to focus on the one you're really passionate about (in othere countries there are examples of royals who did similar)

in other words: i'd like to see more of Sofia and find out what she likes, but for now she's still a bit of a mysterie for me...
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Old 11-16-2014, 08:00 AM
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ehm maybe because everyone has a different opinion about her and maybe because this is the purpose of the thread.... Who wants to discuss the past can do it, who wants to discuss the future can do it... Why do some insist calling others "blind" or "narrow-minded" just because they have a negative view of Sofia? That's beyond me...
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Old 11-16-2014, 04:48 PM
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Hi Muhler, the numbering in your post is mine, and it's there for clarity and ease in responding.

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2) Just to make it clear where I stand: I'm not impressed with her past.
There are several reasons.
Her past as a nude model and a contestant in a IMO trashy TV-show, renders her less suitable as a royal.

This is exactly my view as well.

3) Sorry, there are other rules for royals. Otherwise royals wouldn't be special.

Exactly right in my thinking!

4)But my main objection, or rather reservation, is that even though she hasn't done anything unfortunate in recent years, she hasn't, apart from Project Playground, accomplished anything either.

Spot on, again.

5)No education, no further dedication to charities, no serving abroad in say Afghanistan, no working in a refugee camp, no active involvement in say animal protection and so on.

And these are very valid concerns for me as well. She has had ample opportunity to do something, including education. Although I always have reservations about royals with refugees and what they are promoting with refugees. But that's another matter.

6) In short: I don't know who Sofia Hellqvist is and what she stands for.
That means she's low on points on the suitabillity scale, in my eyes. Not least since she has dated CP for years now and have had plenty of time to polish her image.

Exactly. It doesn't impress me either.
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7)Again, if you were to advise CP&S in regards to PR and the work they can do for Sweden, what would you suggest?

I have answered that already in an earlier post, and suggested projects with children in Sweden and visits to migrant families to signal interest in Swedish population demographics.
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Old 11-16-2014, 05:03 PM
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Thanks for your reply, Redtulip.


And as for #7: I read yours and the suggestions by others with great interest. It confirms my argument that there are plenty of things CP&S can busy themselves with.

Apart from that, we are in agreement, as you have pointed out.
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What gets me is that in these 4 years she has done nothing next to very little, PP just how many hours a week is it? She could of gotten her high school diploma and taken some college courses instead of being at PC's beck and call....there are many examples of royal ladies that she could look up too and didn't.
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Now isn't that the darn truth, very well said RedTulip, very well said.
What gets me is that in these 4 years she has done nothing next to very little, PP just how many hours a week is it? She could of gotten her high school diploma and taken some college courses instead of being at PC's beck and call....there are many examples of royal ladies that she could look up too and didn't.

Given as Sofia has studied at both the Institute of English and Business in New York and Stockholm University, I would guess that she's probably already got her high school.

Also, do we actually know how much time Sofia spends working with Project Runway? People seem to be of the impression that she doesn't do much, but it's very possible that this is pretty close to a full time job for her. She is, after all, the President of the organization. It's entirely possible that that's an empty title, but it's also entirely possible that it's not.
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Now I will eat my words on her education, I could not find that info when I was looking her up so I assumed she didn't get her degree in high school. Do you know if she actually graduated from any of these schools that you mentioned? Do you know the years or the courses that she took? I am not great at internet research and most to the time can't find my way around here even so if you have that info I would appreciate it. I know she has her fans out there and that is okay, we all need someone in out corner even in good times..
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I just LOVE the way these "certain circles" create stuff! - Below wiki to SH as it stands today, and SH did not finish secondary school at all, and completion of secondary with good grades is a requirement for entry to Stockholm Uni. - At 16 she was posing for cameras for whatever purpose.


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No, nobody knows at this stage what she actually did learn/study, but give it till March and abbreviations start appearing behind her name...





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Old 11-17-2014, 03:21 AM
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Now I will eat my words on her education, I could not find that info when I was looking her up so I assumed she didn't get her degree in high school. Do you know if she actually graduated from any of these schools that you mentioned? Do you know the years or the courses that she took? I am not great at internet research and most to the time can't find my way around here even so if you have that info I would appreciate it. I know she has her fans out there and that is okay, we all need someone in out corner even in good times..
The Swedish royal court published Sofia's CV earlier this year; it was discussed in this thread in July and can be found here http://www.kungahuset.se/download/18.../CV+SH+eng.pdf

Now, it obviously has some major gaps and is a bit lacking in some ways - they obviously don't include mention of her modeling career, and they don't include any dates regarding her education. I kind of doubt she completed a program at either school, although the way it's worded makes me think that Sofia might have gotten a certificate or diploma in "accounting with computer application at the Institute of English and Business in New York.

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I just LOVE the way these "certain circles" create stuff! - Below wiki to SH as it stands today, and SH did not finish secondary school at all, and completion of secondary with good grades is a requirement for entry to Stockholm Uni. - At 16 she was posing for cameras for whatever purpose.


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No, nobody knows at this stage what she actually did learn/study, but give it till March and abbreviations start appearing behind her name...
I fail to see the part on Wikipedia where it says she didn't complete secondary school.
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I fail to see the part on Wikipedia where it says she didn't complete secondary school.
And I fail to see the part where it said she even started secondary school. There's not a whisper about it either way. - If she moved to Alvdalen at 6, she would have gone to school there. If she was modelling in Thailand at 16 she could not attend school in Sweden, and was not able to complete secondary school .

This is Alvdalen on the map. You cannot live in Alvdalen and go to school in Stockholm, and she was not in Alvdalen at 16 to go to school.
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And I fail to see the part where it said she even started secondary school. There's not a whisper about it either way. - If she moved to Alvdalen at 6, she would have gone to school there. If she was modelling in Thailand at 16 she could not attend school in Sweden, and was not able to complete secondary school .
Quoting from the page " Later, she moved to study in Stockholm". That certainly implies that at some point she was attending school in Stockholm. There are more ways to get an education than by going to school in Sweden, and we actually aren't being told that she ever dropped out, but we are being told that she did study. Furthermore, according to a document from the Swedish Court she did in fact attend two different post secondary educational institutes, which again implies that she completed her secondary education.

There are huge gaps in the timeline of Sofia Hellqvist's life; it's not really clear what she did before the age of 16, between the age of 16 and about 20 it's not clear what she did other than model, between age 20 and 25 it's not clear what she was doing at all, and in the last 5 years it's only clear that she's dated CP and worked with Project Runway - whatever else she's done hasn't been established. However, just because it's not been clearly established doesn't mean that the only thing she's done is some porn as a teenager and dating a Prince as an adult.
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Not once have I suggested that all she's done is iffy photos and fun with CP. I have only ever posted that I do not know much about her.

It's dead easy to whack something on the net! All you have to do is create an account and start e.g. editing Wiki till cows come home.

I do not go by implications of any sort, and that particular sentence says absolutely nothing factual. I could equally write "later, redtulip moved to study at Yale". That does not mean that I even entered the country, does it. It's fluff.
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Anyone who thinks that Wiki is actually accurate is dreaming. It is known for it's gaps, lapse, errors, misinformation and just plain creative writing. To use it as a quotable resource is much the same as the Mail Online etc.
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It's dead easy to whack something on the net! All you have to do is create an account and start e.g. editing Wiki till cows come home.
Incorrect if the webpage in question is Wikipedia. Contrary to popular belief, Wikipedia is very adamant that their editors cite their sources. The part of Sofia's article regarding her education clearly states a source, an article from Expressen, mentioning that she attended the secondary school Vansbro Utbildningscenter. I reckon they would have mentioned had she dropped out – it merely says she moved to Stockholm at 18, which is when you usually finish secondary school.
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I find the discussion about Sofia's education quite interesting. A lot of famous personalities, including royals, are known to have 'attended' so and so institution according to their profiles and CVs. That is a rather common way of putting these things when a person did not graduate with a degree. If a person actually has a degree, there is no need to be so vague, the fact will be stated simply and clearly on their resume/profile. I always get suspicious when the word "attended" appears anywhere in such a context. I have never used the word myself when describing my educational background. I explicitly mention my degrees.
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