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Old 11-14-2014, 08:10 PM
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And I fully agree with Muhler, again! :)


I do have misgivings about SH, but that's with regards to her past and somewhat to he present. But she may change.
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Discussion about Sofia Hellqvist's Past & Future Role in the Royal Family

I think that as long as the situation in the SRF is as it is now the couple will continue on as CP has been doing for a while now. That is they'll appear at royal functions such as banquets, state visits, the Nobel festivities etc..., represent the SRF at different events like CP did earlier this week but besides that they'll focus on their own careers, interests and charities. Should G-d forbid, something happen with one of the four core members of the SRF I'm certainly that would change but until then I don't think it will.
I'd just like to add that even though Sofia in my opinion isn't really what I want in a member of the royal family she does seem to be a very nice girl who could with some guidance and if given the chance by the media and public become very popular.


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I don't believe S&CP have a choice.

They will be in the public glare, so they might just as well try and adapt to the situation and take on tasks, the more the better.
Sofia, being young and attractive and with her past, is prime tabloid-fodder. There is no way in this world she and CP will be allowed to retire in obscurity.
And they shouldn't IMO. I do not believe the SRF can afford only to have four working adults. There are no reserves in case of a serious illness, a tragedy or an accident.
Madeleine, having lived abroad and intending to staying abroad for years to come at least, with a husband that appears unwilling to take on royal duties, is rapidly making herself irrelevant in the eyes of the Swedes as I see it.

Sorry, if CP wish to remain a prince, he and Sofia will have to enter the stage in earnest. The alternative is to become a commoner. They can't have both.
And why not be full-time royals? Those of us who had, and perhaps still have, misgivings about her past and suitabillity may still live to eat our words, as SElizabeth puts it.

Even if Sofia had had the perfect backgound she and CP would still be very much in public glare, so they might just as well roll up the sleeves and go to work.
The SRF cannot afford two Madeleines. One, yes, but not two.
And I agree with your comment completely, I just don't see it happening. PC and SH are not the hard working type......they really don't know what it is to *work* for a living. And I don't think that KCG or QS are even thinking ahead at this point. I would bet that CPV/PD are aware of this, yet they can only do so much. If she hasn't started before the engagement why start now.......there is nothing for her to gain, she has it all so to speak. I would so like to be proven wrong(and being wrong is good sometimes for we all grow in being wrong) but I just don't think it will happen until something happens in the royal family to make it so....
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Old 11-14-2014, 09:24 PM
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I personally don't believe that P.CP or SH will have huge full time royal duties in the future. CP doesn't actually now. Probably the odd holiday get together or wedding, funeral, etc. But no official high ranking important event. JMO
I agree. I'm not sure why Carl Philip would be more active in the royal events sense with a wife. Why would that trigger a new kind of royal presence for him? A genuine question.
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Old 11-15-2014, 01:42 AM
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I think nothing much will happen in terms of upheavals. I believe SH and CP will carry on like they've done so far, and everything will go on as it has in the last four years. If CP was to become the next crown-head, things might be different. I don't see much of a change because I cannot see a need for much of a change. Sweet and simple!
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Old 11-15-2014, 05:17 AM
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That's somewhat depressing reading from the rest of you I'd say!

It can be boiled down to CP&S not doing very much because they are lazy and spoiled, at best because they are redundant.

That IMO would be the worst they could possibly do.
Because CP&S will not escape the public glare and if the papers haven't anything else to write about, they can always write about what CP&S are not doing. And while we are at it we might just as well deal with Sofia's past again, again and again.
CP don't have that much credit, Sofia even less.
Them being passive, basically only showing up when the big show is on, will be ruining for their reputation. Every misgivings people will have about Sofia will be confirmed, whether that is fair or not. Golddigger, useless, unsuitable, "she won the big prize in the Paradise Hotel elimination" and so on.

With the King being low on points, With Queen Silvia and V&D all over the place and with Madelaine de facto having signed out from the SRF, guess who is going to be the resident villains.
Because V&D will be put on a pedestal, they won't be able to do anything wrong, while a passive CP&S can't do anything right.
The frustration may be the loudest from those who initially supported Sofia, because people who have been disillusioned and disappointed are much less forgiving than those who didn't expect much from the beginning.

That was the pessimistic view. Having said that I simply cannot see why CP&S could not get out there and start working - a lot. Sweden is not a utopia, surely there must be something they can put focus on, some issues they can be involved in.
The argument I have seen is that CP hasn't been particularly active before, so why start now? Yeah, why do anything for the first time...
Perhaps he hasn't been really challenged before?
Perhaps he'll mature from being married? Finding a support, a rock in Sofia.
Perhaps Sofia will drag him out? If need be by the ears.
It has been seen before, you know.
If CP should remain withdrawn, then I see no reason why Sofia couldn't get out there working. Admittedly it would look a bit odd.

Waiting, being in reserve, until gods forbid, something serious should happen with the Regent Couple or V&D wouldn't help the reputation of CP&S one bit. On the contrary. - "Oh, now you begin to work? - Where were you before, when you were needed? - If you had pulled your weight before perhaps X wouldn't have developed cancer from being overworked"! (Don't expect the resentment to be rational).

That's why I believe it's essential CP&S start becoming royals in earnest.
If not, those of us who had misgivings about Sofia's suitabillity can lean back in five years time and say: We told you so.
And those who are not too impressed with CP can lean back and say: Well?!?

Okay, let's be positive.
Now, based on how the SRF do things and what you know about CP&S, what do you believe she could be involved with? Is there anything she ought to be involved with? What should she be involved with?
Try think out of the box. She has experience from TV and from involvement in a charity in Africa, she's used to be in the public eye, so how would you think those talents could be used most profitable?
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Old 11-15-2014, 05:40 AM
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Extremely good questions and something to really think about....will get back to you on your comment.
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Old 11-15-2014, 07:07 AM
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Okay, let's be positive.
Now, based on how the SRF do things and what you know about CP&S, what do you believe she could be involved with? Is there anything she ought to be involved with? What should she be involved with?
Try think out of the box. She has experience from TV and from involvement in a charity in Africa, she's used to be in the public eye, so how would you think those talents could be used most profitable?
Good question. Maybe she could start interest young people to work in the media field. And with that I don't mean "Princess Sofia on search fpr a new Paradies Hotel contestant" but something like "How to become a camera man/woman?". Or she could start a special TV show together with students who concentrate on childrens rights in Sweden and the world. Young people who take a look on what's good and what can become better. Maybe she can visit schools and tell about her expirience in South Africa and start something like "Swedish - African friendship" where children start being pen pals and learn about their different countries and futures. She also has a lot of self esteem, which maybe she can use in helping people to be more open. Helping people to get more self esteem to get better chances in their jobs and life. Gaining self esteem through photo shootings, helping them getting a better picture of themselves. Something like that. She could help etablish organisations that work in those fields or help already etablished organisations of those fields to get more popularity.

And concentrating on CP, he could cut in in those ideas. Races for charities, bringing sports and young people together for good health and better self esteem, doing more for helping those who suffer of dyslexia, etablish a photograph/design price for young people (so they're of the street and doing something useful) and/or newcomers. Something like the Prince Carl Philip Trophy for young talents which also offers a stipendium for a photograph / design course at some university.

Well that's what I came up with while thinking about your questions for a few minutes.
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Oh but you sound so unruly and aphoristic

Jane Austen lived in a golden era, I wish I had lived in the 1800s! In fact if you knew anything about those lovely times, you would have wanted to live in Jane Austen's England too! She was an impeccable author, never made a single mistake.

I am afraid I cannot relate to the notion that a girl who poses for pictures is not decent. If the pictures are bad, then blame the photographer, not his muse! She is only doing her job. And I can prove to you that doing photo shoots and fashion shows is a highly respected avocation by the aristocracy. Also among senior royals. Remember that Her Excellency the Duchess of Alba opened her palace in 1959 and hosted a Dior show for charitable purposes. Would she have done the same, if she thought that those models were not noble enough?
pls, Kent_Spark, don't be too upset.Agatha Christie and Jane Austen are C L A S S I C S and classics are classics because they never age.Some people nowadays are simply misguided and easily fooled by people like that horrible Russell Brand. if they think they can overcome the natural order of things by ignoring them,so be it. i like your opinions and i think we could all learn much from a dinosaur of class like you seem to be one.

about the topic.i like the fact that sophie hellquist is a former porn model and it shows that royalty has a heart for the least ones among us. a bit like Maria Magdalena, don't you think?I'm sure Sophie is a good girl.
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Old 11-15-2014, 02:50 PM
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Yes, exactly. Go be Duke and Duchess of Varmland and live quietly, mostly. We will see you for Weddings, etc.
It is not that simple. CP is third in line to the throne and, considering that Crown Princess Victoria might not have another child and Estelle is still very young, he might stay in that position for quite same time. If the King abdicates or is otherwise survived by Victoria in a not so distant future. CP might even temporarily move back up to second in line. That is too high a position for him and Sofia to fade into oblivion as "minor royals".
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It is not that simple. CP is third in line to the throne and, considering that Crown Princess Victoria might not have another child and Estelle is still very young, he might stay in that position for quite same time. If the King abdicates or is otherwise survived by Victoria in a not so distant future. CP might even temporarily move back up to second in line. That is too high a position for him and Sofia to fade into oblivion as "minor royals".

So if they are needed (quite a plausible scenario), they will step up.
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[think KCG is partly to blame for not making him more responsible for the position that he has]//quote SElizabeth

This. It is the parenting and example of the king of Sweden himself who is at least partly responsible for bringing us all to this magic moment..the imminent ascension of a former soft porn model and reality TV participant to the Royal House of Bernadotte.

And before anyone jumps out with the old "they were GLAMOUR MODELING pictures not soft porn!!" spiel, the fact that they would violate the guidelines of this and many other message boards pretty much speaks for itself....as scooter brilliantly pointed out.
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imho what this thread shows most of all is that everyone likes to discuss the past, but some discuss it and then move on to look to the future, while others get stuck in the past and stay there
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Lee-Z, that might be true. But it could also demonstrate how some people are blind to what is right in front of them.
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Lee-Z, that might be true. But it could also demonstrate how some people are blind to what is right in front of them.
Some people are blind to what's in front of them
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Some people see only what's right in front of them and think that that's all there is to see



and that's really what we are doing in this thread:
half of us keep telling the others "but look, LOOK, it's right in front of you, can't you see? are you blind?"
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half of us keep telling the others "yes, there is something, but look, LOOK, can't you see there is a whole world out there? why do you keep focussing on just what's right in front of you?"
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You are right Lee-Z, there IS sometimes more to a situation than what we can see in front of us. But having had more than my share of experiences with people like SH I don't feel optimistic that that is the case here. BUT as I have said many times, if I am proven wrong I will be delighted to come here and feast on my plate of crow.

It happened in the case of Prince Louis of Luxembourg and Tessy Anthony. I was happy to be wrong about them. They are now one of my favorite Royal couples!
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Thanks, KitKat2006.

So a few minutes of thinking lead to you coming up with quite a number of suggestions CP&S could do.
And if you can, the Swedish court can, and so can CP&S themselves.
So they obviously don't have to be idle in the future.

If they do keep their number of engagements low, it must be considered their choice - and a mistake IMO.

Would anyone else like to come up with suggestions for something plausible CP&S could do with their lives?
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I think SH should quickly do something within Sweden, so there would be, well, at least three projects in full swing before the wedding. Perhaps something will children's theatre, because children are a not demanding audience in terms of protocol, and always welcome being involved in role plays. SH could also initiate visits to migrant families to signal an interest in social issues in Sweden and the population demographics.

I think she needs to be seen doing something to represent the Bernadotte Clan in an official role, and just hanging around with CP is not sufficient, unless CP should want to become a private person. SH must venture out as a public person, if she is to be one.
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You are right Lee-Z, there IS sometimes more to a situation than what we can see in front of us. But having had more than my share of experiences with people like SH I don't feel optimistic that that is the case here. BUT as I have said many times, if I am proven wrong I will be delighted to come here and feast on my plate of crow.

It happened in the case of Prince Louis of Luxembourg and Tessy Anthony. I was happy to be wrong about them. They are now one of my favorite Royal couples!
A question: this idea has been brought up a fair bit, the "I don't like her now, but I could be proven wrong." As I understand it, a lot of the people saying this seem to be of the opinion that she's not moved on from her past life and that she's only with CP because of the titles, money, fame, etc. I can see some of the reasoning for this type of argument, even though I don't agree with it, but I do kind of wonder just what kind of behaviour they expect from Sofia in the future in order to disprove this idea?

I ask because it seems to me she has moved on from her past life. I could be giving her the benefit of the doubt too much, but it seems to me like she was moving on from the life she had - the modeling, the TV show, the making out with Jenna Jameson - well before she met CP; granted I'm basing this on Wikipedia, but it seems to me like those activities stopped, or at least went into decline post-Paradise Hotel, when she moved to New York and started working in Yoga. That was about 10 years ago, when she was only 20. The "worst" aspects of her life all seem to have been behaviour that were undertaken before she could legally drink in the U.S. I could be completely wrong, there could be a lot of stories about her behaviour in the last 10 years that just aren't on her Wikipedia page, but if I'm right I wonder what it is that she needs to do to prove that she's changed in the last 10 years?

I'm not sure what she was doing for work between 2005 and 2010, although Wikipedia is leading me to believe Yoga, but it seems to me like since then, for the last 4 years she's been working with Project Playground. I personally like to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she has an active role in the Swedish side of the operations, as she claims, although I understand and respect that others aren't giving her that benefit and think she's using it as a front to make herself look good. If I'm right, then I think this could be a perfect background for moving into many of the more charitable duties that come with being a royal.

I do see the point that she could be seen as a fame seeker, and I think it's a fairly justifiable argument - she's a woman who in her late teens was clearly seeking fame. But that 5 year gap between Paradise Hotel and her relationship with CP becoming public makes me feel like she may not actually be seeking it as much as we accuse her of being; she's someone who's warm with the press, sure (in a way that I often see younger royals being criticized for not being), but I kind of get the sense that after Paradise Hotel she decided to step back from the limelight a bit; her relationship seems to be more the man who she's with pushing her back into the spotlight than her desire to be in the spotlight manipulating her relationship decisions (although that again could be me giving her the benefit of the doubt too much). That said, I can't help but feel that a more successful royal relationship is one that is based on love but also a desire for the role; so if Sofia actually wants the role and likes what comes with it, if she's genuinely in love with CP (and I think she is), then is this really all that bad?

Sorry, that ended up being far longer than I expected it to be.

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I think SH should quickly do something within Sweden, so there would be, well, at least three projects in full swing before the wedding. Perhaps something will children's theatre, because children are a not demanding audience in terms of protocol, and always welcome being involved in role plays. SH could also initiate visits to migrant families to signal an interest in social issues in Sweden and the population demographics.

I think she needs to be seen doing something to represent the Bernadotte Clan in an official role, and just hanging around with CP is not sufficient, unless CP should want to become a private person. SH must venture out as a public person, if she is to be one.
I think Sofia is in a bit of a damned if she does, damned if she doesn't type of situation. I do think she needs to fill the role as a public person, but I don't think she can be more visible than CP himself (and especially not more visible than Victoria or Daniel). If he's not doing a lot of engagements then her doing a lot is only going to fuel the argument that she's only in this for the attention - while if neither of them are doing a lot, then it'll fuel the argument that she doesn't have a work ethic.
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