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Old 11-11-2014, 09:02 PM
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I agree Muhler. I would think enough time has passed since the engagement was announced that we should be able to make an educated guess as to how she would perform as a member of the SRF and her role within it.

IMO Carl-Philip and Sofia appear to be happy in each other's company - based on pictures of them out and about. I don't think there will be any issues in that respect when they are representing the SRF.

Her outfits and general styling has been appropriate at occasions such as opening of parliament and the weddings/christenings she has been photographed at. Again, IMO there will be no issues in that regard.

I'd be interested to hear how she did during any interview she's given since the engagement, as well as how she is when the spotlight is on the SRF as a whole. I have my misgivings about her, but at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. I'm not Swedish, and am not represented by the family she is marrying into. I am curious as to how the Swedish public really feels about her since the engagement, and now months after the announcement. Has public opinion changed for the better? For the worse?.
I would like to know about how she is perceived by the Swedes, does she come across as intelligent, empathic, supportive of Carl Philip and the SRF. All things that are, to a point, subjective.

As to her general deportment, I can only say that to me it seems she is putting a lot of effort into presenting herself as fashionable but elegant rather than cutting edge and flashy. Her hems seem to have dropped significantly which is a big indicatior of her willingness to "fit in" with the SRF.

I am curious to know if she is undergoing instruction in a modified version of Daniel's 'Prince School" because, whether she is working for the SRF or not, I think we can expect to see her at State Occasions such as the Nobels, State Visits, etc. So I would think that she is going to be interacting with the great and the good so the need for Royal Diplomacy 101 would seem to be a no-brainer.

Overall she seems to be doing quite well but I am not Swedish so any input would be gratefully received.
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:29 PM
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I'm not Swedish, and I don't even follow this pair all that much, but I'll put in my two cents; from what I've seen I like her - she seems genuine, earnest and will do a good job in a royal role.
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:37 PM
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Am I correct in believing that CP is next in the succession after Victoria and Estelle?
Yes, CP is third in line after Victoria and Estelle. The succession is currently:

1. Victoria
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Thanks for that info! I was wrong assuming I knew what was the case. - Having said that, I don't think it means anything other than a formality. The government would not oppose CG's formal request, and he wouldn't put it forward unless he had approved it. And I don't think he had much choice other than do so.
In most cases it is only a formality. The King would have already approved the marriage before going to the government, and it probably wouldn't look good for them if they denied their approval. Their PR would be shot.

From memory, in recent times there has only been one royal marriage which was denied government/parliamentary approval - Friso and Mabel in the Netherlands, due in part to Mabel's relationship with a drug lord, and the couple not fully informing the government of such.
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Old 11-11-2014, 11:54 PM
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Sofia said to Svensk Damtidning that when she gets married, she definitely wants to continue her work at Project Playground. So if she works there as much as now, she doesn't have much time to another role in SRF.
About a possible "princess school", it is clear that she doesn't have to get information nearly as much as Daniel, because Daniel is married with the future queen.
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Old 11-12-2014, 01:06 AM
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I understand that she will only be CP's wife but, unlike Madeleine's husband, whose family move in "society" and have married into European Aristocracy, Sofia is just a middle class girl much the same as Daniel was. The fact that I mentioned a "modified" and that they are getting married next year reflects that.
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I would think that there would have to be some training for Sofia. How unfair would it be to just chuck her out there without so much as an introduction to the right fork. Also, I do hope she will take it upon herself to know the names and positions of other royal families (paired with good photos of those folks). I wouldn't like Sofia to be in the position of a famous duchess who recently asked who was the man she had just spoken with (it was Felipe of Spain). Lordy me!
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Old 11-12-2014, 09:53 AM
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Discussion about Sofia Hellqvist's Past & Future Role in the Royal Family

The thing about SH and CP is that most swedes really don't care. For her to do some scantily clad photos and his "design scandal" was never that big an issue since they're not that interesting to the man on the street. I'm sure people will start to care a little more now in the time leading up to the wedding but after that to me it's up to how big of a role they'll have in the royal family and how well they perform said role.
Sweden is a small country and at the moment I'm not sure there's room for to many full time royals. For a long time since the late sixties there's been at the most six people performing royal duties and since the late seventies there's been four full timers with an addition of two or three performing some duties so it's not certain that there's that big of an official role for CP and SH to play.


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The thing about SH and CP is that most swedes really don't care. For her to do some scantily clad photos and his "design scandal" was never that big an issue since they're not that interesting to the man on the street. I'm sure people will start to care a little more now in the time leading up to the wedding but after that to me it's up to how big of a role they'll have in the royal family and how well they perform said role.
Sweden is a small country and at the moment I'm not sure there's room for to many full time royals. For a long time since the late sixties there's been at the most six people performing royal duties and since the late seventies there's been four full timers with an addition of two or three performing some duties so it's not certain that there's that big of an official role for CP and SH to play.


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Well said! We don't care! This came up five years ago and we are over that by now! I think she will do a great job!
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Old 11-12-2014, 03:21 PM
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Well that mostly answered my question!
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^^^^^^ imo this is partly covered in other threads like the "current events" and i the info on her work with project "playground", but these matters usually also divide opinions:
to me she looks smiling and happy when attending events with the SRF, others see it as "camera hungry" and "attention seeking"

Basically: this is what fuels all our discussions
However, this is the Mod's designated thread to discuss her past, so as to not gum up the other threads. So, this is the only place to discuss her past/suitability. Current events, wedding planning, jewels she might possibly be allowed to wear have their own threads.
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Old 11-12-2014, 07:59 PM
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I would think that there would have to be some training for Sofia. How unfair would it be to just chuck her out there without so much as an introduction to the right fork. Also, I do hope she will take it upon herself to know the names and positions of other royal families (paired with good photos of those folks). I wouldn't like Sofia to be in the position of a famous duchess who recently asked who was the man she had just spoken with (it was Felipe of Spain). Lordy me!
Excellent, excellent point KA.

I don't think it will be a problem. The Swedish Royals don't seem to entertain the idea that they are too important for such things and that their peers don't matter, which is a relief.

And I am far from a SH supporter, but I'm done banging on about it for now. It's a done deal and if the Swedes are okay with her who am I to judge?
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I would think that there would have to be some training for Sofia. How unfair would it be to just chuck her out there without so much as an introduction to the right fork. Also, I do hope she will take it upon herself to know the names and positions of other royal families (paired with good photos of those folks). I wouldn't like Sofia to be in the position of a famous duchess who recently asked who was the man she had just spoken with (it was Felipe of Spain). Lordy me!
Who was that? Can you say? Or supply a link? I am very curious, I have to admit.
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...It's a done deal and if the Swedes are okay with her who am I to judge?
I don't think that anybody knows what the Swedes think, if anything at all. Regardless of what they should think, every opinion is just as valid, and absolutely everyone on this board is allowed to post how they think about royals. I also don't think at all that thinking about things and having opinions means judging anyone or anything.

Posting here things such as "SH is perfect for a royal role" is not any more or any less valid than "SH is a very bad choice for a royal role". Neither of them is a judgement of any sort.
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I don't think that anybody knows what the Swedes think, if anything at all. Regardless of what they should think, every opinion is just as valid, and absolutely everyone on this board is allowed to post how they think about royals. I also don't think at all that thinking about things and having opinions means judging anyone or anything.

Posting here things such as "SH is perfect for a royal role" is not any more or any less valid than "SH is a very bad choice for a royal role". Neither of them is a judgement of any sort.
Ditto. You've said it better than I could have. Just what I was thinking.
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Thanks for the replies.

So the conclusion to my questions is that apart from Sofia dressing appropriatly, that she is trying to adapt and that she probably intends to continue with Project Playground, no one here really have an idea about how she interacts with the public, what topics she will take on, how she is as a speaker and so on?

I'm surprised, has no one sat down and tried to figure out who princess Sofia might be?
Has it all been about her past? - Well, that's an indication in itself I'd say.
On the bright side, if the expectations are that low, she can only surprise from here.

Then I have some follow up questions:
What is known about her current friends? Whom does she associate today? Surely not only CP's friends.
Has she ditched her more unfortunate friends from the past?
Has she voiced a political view? Is she religious? What's her interests?
It can be boiled down to this: Who is Sofia Hellqvist anno 2014?

Presumably, hopefully, she is more than a former nude model and Paradise Hotel contestant.
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I don't think that anybody knows what the Swedes think, if anything at all. Regardless of what they should think, every opinion is just as valid, and absolutely everyone on this board is allowed to post how they think about royals. I also don't think at all that thinking about things and having opinions means judging anyone or anything.

Posting here things such as "SH is perfect for a royal role" is not any more or any less valid than "SH is a very bad choice for a royal role". Neither of them is a judgement of any sort.

I agree that nobody knows what the Swedes think as there have been no public polls about Sofia, but, going back to my earlier point, the Swedish government had to consent to the marriage as required by law and they did. I assume then that Sofia has been somehow vetted in the process.
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Thanks for the replies.

So the conclusion to my questions is that apart from Sofia dressing appropriatly, that she is trying to adapt and that she probably intends to continue with Project Playground, no one here really have an idea about how she interacts with the public, what topics she will take on, how she is as a speaker and so on?

I'm surprised, has no one sat down and tried to figure out who princess Sofia might be?
Has it all been about her past? - Well, that's an indication in itself I'd say.
On the bright side, if the expectations are that low, she can only surprise from here.

Then I have some follow up questions:
What is known about her current friends? Whom does she associate today? Surely not only CP's friends.
Has she ditched her more unfortunate friends from the past?
Has she voiced a political view? Is she religious? What's her interests?
It can be boiled down to this: Who is Sofia Hellqvist anno 2014?

Presumably, hopefully, she is more than a former nude model and Paradise Hotel contestant.
Excellent summary and new questions, Muhler!
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Thanks for the replies.

So the conclusion to my questions is that apart from Sofia dressing appropriatly, that she is trying to adapt and that she probably intends to continue with Project Playground, no one here really have an idea about how she interacts with the public, what topics she will take on, how she is as a speaker and so on?

I'm surprised, has no one sat down and tried to figure out who princess Sofia might be?
Has it all been about her past? - Well, that's an indication in itself I'd say.
On the bright side, if the expectations are that low, she can only surprise from here.

Then I have some follow up questions:
What is known about her current friends? Whom does she associate today? Surely not only CP's friends.
Has she ditched her more unfortunate friends from the past?
Has she voiced a political view? Is she religious? What's her interests?
It can be boiled down to this: Who is Sofia Hellqvist anno 2014?

Presumably, hopefully, she is more than a former nude model and Paradise Hotel contestant.
Unfortunatly that's just what she is and still will be for a lot of posters, because everything regarding Sofia always comes back to "but she posed nude", "but she kissed a porn star", "but she waves/smiles into cameras. How dare she?". I'm getting so tired of it, because I hate it that a young woman is not given a chance to show her suitability as princess and future royal. So let me say THANK YOU for trying to start a real discussion here instead of the ever ongoing Sofia-bashing.

Who is Sofia Hellqvist anno 2014?

I haven't seen much of her since the engagement, but what I've seen shows, that she is a very different woman now than when she became CPs girlfriend. She has martured a lot, knows how to dress for the different events she attended and isn't shy or afraid of people. She works with a lot of different people when it comes to Project Playground where she is a good talker as far as I've heard when it comes to welcoming people to charity events. She's interested in making a difference for the children in South Africa as well as she's interested in sports. She attends at CPs car races every now and then, took part at the vasa ski run again this year and attends various sport events like tennis matches with CP.

What is known about her current friends? Whom does she associate today? Surely not only CP's friends.

I don't know much about her friends, but I know that she doesn't only associate with CPs friends. It's more the other way around. CP and Sofia associate a lot more with her friends than his because his friends had problems accepting her from what I've heard. If this still holds true I don't know, but that's what I've read at articles / posts.

Has she ditched her more unfortunate friends from the past?

Wellshe has not kissed with female pornstars lately and wasn't part of a recent scandal. So she knows how to play the game of her current and future life if you ask me.

Who is Sofia from 2015 forward?

A great addition for the SRF if you ask me. Sofia always wanted to become famous so she had a lot of time to get adjusted to the feeling of a lot of people knowing her, wanting something of her, photograph her. She is not a completely privat commoner who suddenly finds herself in the limelight. She seems to be an open person who loves people and I'm sure she will do her job as a Princess of Sweden like it's expected of her. Ready to be there if she is needed but also ready to step back and just concentrate on her charity as long as there's no need for a work event as a royal.
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