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Old 11-05-2014, 01:40 AM
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Now you made me chuckle, I don't think anyone is to old to have their own opinion on anything in life as long as it is not forced on another. As for SH, all we have to do is sit back and wait and see what she does, time will tell and that is all we have is *time*. She will either swim with the sharks or sink in the boat. As for being to old..got you beat there my a few hundred miles and years..
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Old 11-05-2014, 02:03 AM
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I can't understand how one can compare participating in Paradise Hotel, posing nude and yearning constantly for publicity with having being divorced. A woman who answers at an interview to a question "what is the strangest place you have had sex" doesn't show good moral or values. Instead, that gives a very trashy impression. A well raised and sophisticated person doesn't talk about these kind of things in public. She was ready to say or do almost anything to get publicity and cause talk.
Sofia may have now expensive clothes and she is very careful in what she says, but has she really changed, we will see.
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Old 11-05-2014, 04:54 AM
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There are many things that Sofia has done that I personally wouldn't do, and of course those things affects my current view of her.

But just like Jacknch, I'm too old now to hold grudges. I don't know Sofia personally, and I can't tell if she's changed or not. All we can do is wait and see. I'm all for second (and a hundred) chances. She's been given one, and now I'm curious to see what she can do with it.
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Old 11-05-2014, 03:54 PM
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Leopards don't change their spots, do they. I believe everyone deserves a second chance, but no more.
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Old 11-05-2014, 03:57 PM
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^^^Sofia is not a leopard, she's a human being. How snide.
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Old 11-05-2014, 06:03 PM
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Have you never before heard the expression 'A leopard doesnt change it's spots'? red tulip didnt make it up just for SH.

I would be a lot more inclined to forgive and forget an isolated incident, like oh the ex-boyfriend took some scanty pics of her and then they came out. However, that is not what has happened. This young woman, from the time of 15 years old has conciously made an entire career of having nude/porn pics taken of her by professional photographers for public viewing and film of her making out with an assortment of people. This is not being 'snide', it is a factually accurate discription of this woman's entire adult life.
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Old 11-05-2014, 06:13 PM
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This is not being 'snide', it is a factually accurate discription of this woman's entire adult life.
No, it's not, as she has not posed for any nude pictures for almost ten years and she stills an adult, not even 30 years old.
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Old 11-05-2014, 07:08 PM
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I should have said 'her entire adult life thus far'. Certainly it's how she has supported herself. Thus far. Now she has a new and better paying gig! Not to mention more and better clothes.
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Old 11-05-2014, 07:08 PM
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Bumpf, Kitty Atlanta. I didn't coin it, as others said. It's a common English saying, and that's all it is.

a leopard can't/doesn't change its spots definition, meaning - what is a leopard can't/doesn't change its spots in the British English Dictionary & Thesaurus - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
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Old 11-05-2014, 07:16 PM
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I should have said 'her entire adult life thus far'. Certainly it's how she has supported herself. Thus far. Now she has a new and better paying gig!
"Thus far"? Can you provide me with anything that proves your statement (any nude picture from the past two years or so) or you simply don't care about saying the truth?
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Old 11-05-2014, 08:10 PM
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If leopards do not change their spot, then the Queen of England in the future, will be an adulteress and the Queen of Norway will be a single mother with a drug problem. Things change, people change. If God forgives, who are you?
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:44 PM
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And why should we forgive anything regarding her? God can forgive her and that is okay, but it's not up to us to forgive her for anything, as for some of us here we are *entitled* to our opinions as you and some others are. Our opinions are just that...*our opinions* and nobody is asking anyone to change their opinion to suit anyone else.

No leopards don't change their spots and never will, and as for SH working, yes now she has a job, and it's not a normal 9/5 job in the normal world of work, her job now is to make sure CPC is very happy and well taken care of, and that she does exactly as he wants if she is to marry him and her reward for this will be a title, all the fancy clothes she wants, shoes galore,, and maybe the key to the vaults where the jewels are kept....nice job if what she does is all it takes............... Oh and please don't compare her to another royal as that is something moderators are looking out for.
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:44 PM
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The human brain does not fully mature until age 25. I suggest you divide SH actions into before 25 and after 25. The drop the immature decisions.
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Old 11-05-2014, 10:49 PM
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I should have said 'her entire adult life thus far'. Certainly it's how she has supported herself. Thus far. Now she has a new and better paying gig! Not to mention more and better clothes.
And the rewards for this better paying gig is not just clothes, but the jewels in the vault and the palace in the city..........
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Old 11-06-2014, 08:27 AM
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I am familiar with the phrase. We use it here in the US as well. My objection is the negativity the phrase holds. Of course a leopard can't change it's spots, but Sofia is not a leopard...she's a human being with the ability to change.
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Old 11-06-2014, 04:00 PM
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The negativity in the phrase is your perception; as such it says leopards don't change spots. It's not good, it's not bad, it's a fact. If you think it means calling her a leopard you simply don't understand the phrase. It's fine not to be a native speaker of English, but don't take it out on others.

And as I said, I didn't make it up; it's a common phrase that someone else wrote, and you should take it up with the person in question, if you manage to find him/her/them. As it stands, it's back to the drawing board for you with this, and the ball is in your court for rethinking what you accuse others for. You're barking up the wrong tree.
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Old 11-06-2014, 04:44 PM
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Sofia will always have the past she has (nudity, erotics but also the attitude exhibited with it at the time) and unless she finds a cure for cancer *and* establishes world-peace *and* is beamed into heaven in a halo of light, it will always be there and will be brought up one way or the other.
She will have to deal with that and the SRF will have to deal with it; but apparently they are willing to take that path and it will be quite interesting to see in years to come how it will turn out
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Old 11-06-2014, 05:06 PM
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I'm not a fan of Sofia tbh, but my main problem isn't the fact then she participated in that show, and did nude photography ( though lets been honest it's not some thing one would put on ones CV) but the fact that she hasn't addressed it, all she did was say that she doesn't want her past to influence her future, but as a member or whatever of a children's charity she should at least not be recommending such things.....plus although Royal families must adapt with times, they must also set the standards and keep a little mystique if they become too ordinary.....and well 'common' then ppl will start the question the point of a Royal family, esp if a member of the Royal family has behaved or is behaving in a questionable manner, or in a way which does not reach the publics expectations ( having said that I think there are certain royals across the globe who have behaved worse ) I mean personally If the first gentleman ( or whatever the male equivalent to First Lady is) of Malta was former Mr.Slitz I wouldn't be happy at all, with those kind of credentials people will not take my country seriously, Ofc people change as do attitudes and values, but I belive that approach is key and IMO Sofia hasn't addresed the issue in order to show this change, yes actions speak louder than words but words can be very persuasive too
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Old 11-06-2014, 06:20 PM
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I'm not a fan of Sofia tbh, but my main problem isn't the fact then she participated in that show, and did nude photography ( though lets been honest it's not some thing one would put on ones CV) but the fact that she hasn't addressed it, all she did was say that she doesn't want her past to influence her future, but as a member or whatever of a children's charity she should at least not be recommending such things.....plus although Royal families must adapt with times, they must also set the standards and keep a little mystique if they become too ordinary.....and well 'common' then ppl will start the question the point of a Royal family, esp if a member of the Royal family has behaved or is behaving in a questionable manner, or in a way which does not reach the publics expectations ( having said that I think there are certain royals across the globe who have behaved worse ) I mean personally If the first gentleman ( or whatever the male equivalent to First Lady is) of Malta was former Mr.Slitz I wouldn't be happy at all, with those kind of credentials people will not take my country seriously, Ofc people change as do attitudes and values, but I belive that approach is key and IMO Sofia hasn't addresed the issue in order to show this change, yes actions speak louder than words but words can be very persuasive too
Yes I also would like for her to have the courage/guts to face her past and say that she made mistakes and hope that with time she can show that she will be a positive member of the royal family. Another female royal did this and it showed that she was truthful and honest to admit mistakes. She changed and now has a very positive reputation for the people and is well loved. I honestly don't think that SH thinks she did anything wrong and that what is done is done........we all are accountable for our actions/behavior and decisions in life, she seems to think other wise and so does CPC..........I don't hold much hope for them being of any use in the family except to show up when needed and then they can continue on with their lifestyle of parties, racing and whatever all at the expense of the people of Sweden. Her character is showing now.........
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"Thus far"? Can you provide me with anything that proves your statement (any nude picture from the past two years or so) or you simply don't care about saying the truth?
Cris M, I can provide you with dozens of photos to support my assertion regarding her nude/porn modeling, however all of them would be flagged as porn by this forum. If you are only concerned about the last two years, I would say of course once she was living with CP and being kept , then she no longer had any expenses and didnt need to keep on with her career. But certainly, she has never had any gainful emplyment other than having pictures/film of her unclothed. If I am wrong, please post a link and I will be happy to stand corrected. Gainful employment, as in being paid to do the work.
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