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Old 06-27-2014, 08:26 PM
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I can´t belive all the bitter and evil comments about Sofia at this and other boards. She´s Carl-Philips choice and we should all respect that. And most of you who have very strong opinions aren´t even Swedish to begin with. The friends that i´ve talked to are quite happy that they will get married and think it´s good that sofia joins the RF so they don´t come off as such snobs and prudes.
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It seems pretty clear to me that, understanding that this engagement is controversial for obvious reasons, they came out to offer their personal support in a way that wasn't really necessary for their other two children. They have to demonstrate fully to the public that they accept Sofia and believe her to be good enough for their son, knowing that some people would have difficulty with her.

The arrangements for this announcement were probably different because this engagement itself is pretty different to those of their other children.
My thoughts exactly, just as the King and Queen of Norway went out of their way to show their love and approval for Mette Marit and her son.
They both look so very happy, they could have a wonderful future.

Also, I appreciate what one poster mentioned about sexism, Carl Philip hasn't exactly been a "model" prince with his schooling and past times. Sofia may be the wife for him, like it or not, his parents may see that she is good for him. I wish them well.
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Congratulations to the lovely couple! They seem perfectly in love and I wish them all the best.

For goodness sake you see more in a beach than in Sofia's past pics....a fuss over nothing! If a single mother can become a Crown Princess and do it so brilliantly, I am sure Sofia can become a fantastic Princess to represent Sweden.


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Actually not true. Despite the Swedish Palace's best efforts to eradicate them there remains easy access to very graphic nudes of Sophia on the internet. If one types princess pythonella jersey shore (odd I know) into Google and then clicks on the first option page that appears which I think says royal chatter beside it and then scrolls down the page ( which had a picture of Sophia and a bearded CP at the top of it) we are treated to a pic of her future royal highness standing fully nude in front of a mirror in nothing but a pair of heels. The two accompanying pics show her ready to strip and then to be sitting on the floor in the same heels with her bare boobs out. So really not your typical beach photos to say the least. I havn't posted the direct links here due to the graphic content but those who see the pics will understand what I mean.
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:53 PM
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Given today's announcement, the Swedish people need to be lighting candles and thanking whomever they pray to that he is NOT the heir.
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:58 PM
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I would imagine that he's known all along about the videos and just about anything else that has gone on in Sofia's life. He obviously has found that there are other qualities to her that far surpass anything in her past and his heart has told him this is the woman he wants to spend the rest of his life with. I'm sure all of us can find incidents and mistakes in our lives where we said "Well... it seemed like a good idea at the time". People can and do change. I am not the same person I was 30 years ago and I still sometimes cringe as I remember some stupid stuffs I've done. The time to judge a person on their actions is when the actions happen. Not years down the road.

I wish Carl Philip and Sofia the best of all there is and I hope all their troubles will be little ones that bring great joy to their lives. Their engagement and marriage are a time of celebration for the Swedish royal family. It will be so nice to watch another royal wedding!
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:59 PM
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Seeing as how there are openly nude beaches in Europe and apparently most everyone in Europe seems to be ok with public nudity (I have seen Europeans lecture Americans about being prude and how nudity is natural and no big deal) I see little reason (from the Europeans) for the outcry about her nude pics.


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Old 06-28-2014, 01:10 AM
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I was saddened by Prince Carl Philip’s engagement to Miss Hellqvist. It obviously has been on the cards for some time, but to see it confirmed caused nothing more than a sigh of disappointment. It has been a tad hard on an old fashioned chap like me to cope with some of the royal marriages of the last decade or so. But, really, there have been no major disasters, the marriages seem happy and successful, and the various monarchies roll on pretty much as normal. The glamour and intricacies of European royalty as an international family continue to fascinate me. I still wistfully imagine how different things might be if, in the late 1990s, Queen Elizabeth II had got on the blower to King Carl XVI Gustaf to start negotiations for the marriage treaty of Prince William and Princess Madeleine. But, along with court trains, fans and ostrich feathers (three, of course), the age of suitable, equal royal marriages has gone. No amount of melancholy longing for a gracious past, and indignant disapproval of a vulgar present, will change the reality of European monarchy in the twenty-first century.

So what makes Miss Hellqvist so unsuitable? Well, that is pretty obvious. But is she really any more déclassé than some of the other women who are now popping on a tiara, slipping on an ancient order, and carrying out a full schedule of public engagements? In Nancy Mitford’s classic novel Love in a Cold Climate, the young and beautiful Lady Polly Montdore announced her engagement to the old and not so beautiful Boy Dugdale. Boy also happened to be her uncle, still grieving the recent loss of his wife, and Polly’s aunt, Lady Patricia. So what would be the consequences of this awful marriage, with Lady Patricia not yet cold in her grave? According to Davey Warbeck there would be no consequences, as people “have no memory about this sort of thing, and after all, there’s nothing to forget except bad taste.”

But, unfortunately for Miss Hellqvist, forgetting her past life, spent in a world of bad taste, will be easier said than done (particularly as examples will constantly come back to haunt her). But maybe, in a few years, her good works and deeds, and decorum as a Swedish princess, will help put her poor, youthful choices into some sort of perspective. She is off to a good start with Project Playground, and her discreet behaviour in recent years. In fact, I cannot help but feel a grudging admiration for her courage in entering what will be a difficult public life. I guess only time will tell if she has what it takes to weather the ridicule that, no doubt, will come her way. This engagement still gives me no pleasure, but as the King has given his approval, there’s not much to be done about it now. So good luck to them, they are going to need it.

P.S. Did they really make a balcony appearance? I thought they were on a terrace, heading back into the palace, and it was just the balustrades that made it look like a balcony.
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Sofia started Project Playground together with a friend which helps children in need in and around Cape Town. So yes, she has done quite a lot of volunteer work since her days as a glamour model.
When was Project Playground started and how active/serious was her involvement before the SRF PR machine kicked in a couple of years ago?
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Seeing as how there are openly nude beaches in Europe and apparently most everyone in Europe seems to be ok with public nudity (I have seen Europeans lecture Americans about being prude and how nudity is natural and no big deal) I see little reason (from the Europeans) for the outcry about her nude pics.


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Well, being on a nude beach (which a very small minority does) is something different than posing naked and in sexually provocative poses and to have these pictures printed by the highest bidder to make money and fame.

A quote posted above -as I understand , from Sofia- speaks about 2 photoshoots. However there have at least been 4 nude shoots over an extended period, from when she was 16 until a short period before she met the prince.

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When was Project Playground started and how active/serious was her involvement before the SRF PR machine kicked in a couple of years ago?
I believe that her involvement started after she met the prince. Originally she was not listed as co-founder, but that was changed at a later date.
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Old 06-28-2014, 06:43 AM
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I wish the couple happiness. Totally apart from how lovelty, sweet, charming, warm and embraceable these people are. The core essence of what differentiates the difference between royals/nobles and us, mortal commoners, is eroding away. A certain point will be reached that people will wonder why we still treat these people as royals, bow to them, handle them with all égards, pay millions for a "dignified workings of the institution" and support the principle of hereditary succession as all what is royal, traditional, historical or what has to do with dignity, honorability is thrown out of the palace windows.

This makes it more and more difficult for me to remain interested in royalty and nobility. It becomes more and more just the same as commenting on outfits worn by Charlize Theron or Angelina Jolie. It is a sad development and it is fast going downhill. Rapid gained popularity (the cinderella scenario) comes at the cost of long standing respect for an institution.

Now Beatrix, Albert II and Juan Carlos have left the royal stage, it becomes more and more superficial. I have no negative feelings against Máxima, Letizia, Mary. But again and again when I see them, I think: "Girl... you are just playing, you are just pretending, you are NO royal". I can never loose that feeling. Not so long ago the aunts of Carl Philip, or the aunts of Haakon were forced to leave the Royal House because they wanted to marry very respected partners but not meeting the high standards. Now we see that there are no standards anymore... My interest in royalty and nobility is fading away, very fast. I have no interest in Miss Casiraghi, Miss Behn or Miss Phillips.
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Duc et Pair, I feel exactly as you do. But we are in an ever increasing minority, and I have accepted it.
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Congratulations to the lovely couple! They seem perfectly in love and I wish them all the best.

For goodness sake you see more in a beach than in Sofia's past pics....a fuss over nothing! If a single mother can become a Crown Princess and do it so brilliantly, I am sure Sofia can become a fantastic Princess to represent Sweden.


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There is a LOT of negativity, resentment and critics towards Mette-Marit. It does not filter down to the anglosaxon media but when you are in Norway you will hear or feel little posivity about Mette Marit. At best she is tolerated as Crown Prince Haakon's choice of his heart but the Norwegians are hard: "Don't pretend you are royal, girl, you were just a waitress in Kristiansand, you have served me a latte macchiato and now you are the future Queen?"

The same will happen to Ms Hellqvist. "Pardon me, I have to say Your Royal Highness and bow for you? I have seeen your womanhood much better than my own wife's and now I have to treat you like the Queen of Sheba?"

People are good in putting up faces. Anyone can straigthen their face and politely greet Ms Hellqvist but behind her back the respect will be far to find. When Prince Carl Philip would have come home with a daughter of the lensgreve Wedell-Wedellsborg, the attitude would have been totally different.

Donna Elisabetta Rosboch von Wolkenstein, Donna Beatrice Borromeo, Countess Stéphanie de Lannoy or Countess Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz simply "feel" different because they have that history, their family's patrimonium, that "aura" from coming from so different backgrounds than us, commoners. Who can say that heer family owns the Borromean Isles in the Lagio Maggiore? Who has spend a youth on the green and paradiselike surroundings of the Château de Losange, even having a Polish Countess as mother (Mathilde)? Who can say that her far, far, far ancestor Françoise de Lannoy was already related to William I of Nassau, Prince of Orange, the founder of today's Low Countries? Who can say that her family is closely related to the top of Italian society, the Agnellis, Caracciolos, Borgheses, Viscontis?

All this is missing in the Mette-Marits, the Daniels, the Máximas or the Letizias of our time. The magic of royalty is just fading away.
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When Prince Carl Philip would have come home with a daughter of the lensgreve Wedell-Wedellsborg, the attitude would have been totally different.
Imo the attitude would also be different if Sofia had a different nationality (and the same past)...

What's more...if hypothetically a Wedell-Wedellsborg daughter had the same photo and tv-series experiences, there would still be a different towards her (because of noble background) than towards Sofia now...
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I wish the couple happiness. Totally apart from how lovelty, sweet, charming, warm and embraceable these people are. The core essence of what differentiates the difference between royals/nobles and us, mortal commoners, is eroding away. A certain point will be reached that people will wonder why we still treat these people as royals, bow to them, handle them with all égards, pay millions for a "dignified workings of the institution" and support the principle of hereditary succession as all what is royal, traditional, historical or what has to do with dignity, honorability is thrown out of the palace windows.

This makes it more and more difficult for me to remain interested in royalty and nobility. It becomes more and more just the same as commenting on outfits worn by Charlize Theron or Angelina Jolie. It is a sad development and it is fast going downhill. Rapid gained popularity (the cinderella scenario) comes at the cost of long standing respect for an institution.

Now Beatrix, Albert II and Juan Carlos have left the royal stage, it becomes more and more superficial. I have no negative feelings against Máxima, Letizia, Mary. But again and again when I see them, I think: "Girl... you are just playing, you are just pretending, you are NO royal". I can never loose that feeling. Not so long ago the aunts of Carl Philip, or the aunts of Haakon were forced to leave the Royal House because they wanted to marry very respected partners but not meeting the high standards. Now we see that there are no standards anymore... My interest in royalty and nobility is fading away, very fast. I have no interest in Miss Casiraghi, Miss Behn or Miss Phillips.
Your entire comment rings very true, now days it seems like this is becoming more and more like Hollywood, anybody can wear a tiara and have a title. Even today some of the young royals that are born into a royal family are a total disgrace to the family. I sometimes think that standards/traditions are being lost in families today even among the royals of the world. I have become so dismayed over another new royal queen who shows she is more important then anyone else around her. Not liking these so called new changes that have happened, no grace nor dignity being shown.
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There is no such thing as a 'royal gene'. Being American I don't think royals are any different than any other person except they have more advantages financially/educationally than others do....and as we have seen over and over they carry on just as badly as 'non-royals' even with the advantages at their disposal.

I think it's hypocritical that some are carrying on like Sophia is this horrible choice...some of the things royals have gotten up to are just as bad or worse. No one is calling for them to be stripped of their titles or saying they are unsuitable for marrying.

I would imagine more and more people are coming to believe there is nothing really magical or special about royals which is, IMO, why you see royals being considered on the same level as famous people (movie stars etc) and nothing more.


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Not liking these so called new changes that have happened, no grace nor dignity being shown.
Being a royal does not automatically bring grace or dignity, plenty of examples of that in the past.
In the NL for years the RF-popularity list has been topped by a 'non-royal' (first P.Claus, husband to Q.Beatrix, now Q.Maxima)..
I agree that the "mystique" surrounding royals has been fading, but that's not new, for me it's a sign of a changing world...

I'm pretty sure if the royals (at least the europeans) would hold on to the status and lifestyle they had hundreds of years ago, that would be the end of quite a few of monarchies...

Don't get me wrong, i get that Sofia is not everyone's idea of a country-representative, but each and every european royal has been criticized for one thing or another in the past and personally of all the flaws that there are i prefer "childhood indecencies" to several other royal indiscretions...
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I'm sure that if Sofia had nothing in her past, they would find something to criticize her about or find someone in her past that would criticize her. Someone marrying into royalty doesn't have to do something scandalous to be criticized.

I'm happy for both of them and if they are happy together, that is all that matters.
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Why can't she give up a title? It is enough to consent a lavish marriage which will be tacky and extravagant IMO. The should marry very low-key and if she loves him so much remaining "miss" won't be an issue.... That's my point...
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Why can't she give up a title? It is enough to consent a lavish marriage which will be tacky and extravagant IMO. The should marry very low-key and if she loves him so much remaining "miss" won't be an issue.... That's my point...
One can always hope that but I don't see it happen.
I have followed the swedish royal family for a long time and I respect the work the king, queen, Victoria and Daniel are doing. So it makes me extremely sad to read headlines like: The hottest European royal: Sofia Hellqvist, Swedish porn princess.
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Why can't she give up a title? It is enough to consent a lavish marriage which will be tacky and extravagant IMO. The should marry very low-key and if she loves him so much remaining "miss" won't be an issue.... That's my point...

Why should she? She's marrying him and there's no reason on earth she shouldn't share his title.

I think it's absurd to ask that she volunteer to give up something that goes along with marrying into this family just because you dislike her personally.

Why not ask her to go about in sackcloth and ashes with a big A on her chest while you're at it?


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