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Old 07-16-2014, 11:12 PM
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Thank you so much! I am tired of this crap that says if you pose naked you are some sort of horrid, terrible human being. And why, oh why is a photograph so much worse than a nude painting or sculpture? Do we all really want to go back to the Victorian Era when a woman's worth was determined by her virginity or perception of her virginity?

I'm sure Sofia wasn't wandering around a decade plus ago thinking "better not do that, some day I'll marry a prince and this will look bad for us." Just like the rest of us aren't thinking that.

I admit, I don't know what sort of circumstances Sofia faced when she made these decisions (because she and Carl-Philip are not two people I generally follow). Maybe she felt this was the best way to keep herself fed or a roof over her head. Or maybe she just has enough comfort in herself and her sexuality and is open minded enough to feel comfortable posing nude. Would be people here be as upset if she had posed nude for a painting or would that be brushed off as "art" where as the photo is "porn"? I think people's reactions say a lot more about them then they do about Sofia, Carl-Philip or the rest of the Swedish Royal Family.
LOL!!

You haven't seen much of Hellqvist's "work", that much is obvious. All I can do is assure you that in a few of them, she's doing a heck of a lot more than just standing around and posing nude! Her stint on Swedish reality TV was said to have been less than inspiring, ditto for her rhapsody about the delights of making out with hard porn actress Jenna Jameson.

If you want to remain as unabashed a supporter of the future wife of Prince Carl-Philip as you are, my very strong advice is to avoid Google.
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Old 07-17-2014, 12:14 AM
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LOL!!

You haven't seen much of Hellqvist's "work", that much is obvious. All I can do is assure you that in a few of them, she's doing a heck of a lot more than just standing around and posing nude! Her stint on Swedish reality TV was said to have been less than inspiring, ditto for her rhapsody about the delights of making out with hard porn actress Jenna Jameson.

If you want to remain as unabashed a supporter of the future wife of Prince Carl-Philip as you are, my very strong advice is to avoid Google.
Why do you assume I haven't seen them? Because I don't find them to be hair-curlingly horrid? Frankly I wouldn't care if she had been in an X-rated video because to my mind it has no impact on how she will preform as a future princess. That was the past, this is the present and the future is yet ahead of us. I don't believe in holding people's pasts against them unless they have done something to physically, emotionally or psychologically harm someone. I see no evidence of that in Sofia's case.

And I assure you, I have seen paintings of scenes of Roman life and Greek mythology that if they were photographs and not paintings would be considered porn.

I think the real problem is people are bothered by the idea that a future princess might be a sexual being, who is comfortable with her own sexuality. I really wish we would let go of the Puritanical idea that sex/sexuality is bad. I have a feeling if we did a lot of the misogynisic problems we have in the world would go away.

I choose to live my life by this quote: "There are only three sins - causing pain, causing fear, and causing anguish. The rest is window dressing."

Roger Caras

So I refuse to look down on a woman because of pictures she took once upon a time when she was young. Or say that she can't marry the man she loves and take her place by his side because some people consider her behavior, conducted long before she met said man, to be beneath what they think is acceptable for a princess.
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Old 07-17-2014, 12:22 AM
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Sofia is STILL young. The photos were taken in her recent past.

And no, I don't think sexuality is "bad." It's the most beautiful and life affirming gift given by God to humans. I am quite comfortable with it, thanks.

It's pornography that is harmful, imo. There is not a thing life-affirming about it.
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Sofia is STILL young. The photos were taken in her recent past.

And no, I don't think sexuality is "bad." It's the most beautiful and life affirming gift given by God to humans. I am quite comfortable with it, thanks.

It's pornography that is harmful, imo. There is not a thing life-affirming about it.
Do you call 10 years ago recent?

Wow, clash of the opinions.

The "battle" of viewpoints, so to speak.
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Old 07-17-2014, 01:54 PM
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The "battle" of viewpoints, so to speak.
It is and it's probably going on in more places than here . I guess at the end of the day, I don't romanticize or sentimentalize sex, so I have no problem with the pictures. Even if I did, the fact that the people who know and love Carl-Philip are able to welcome Sofia to the family is enough for me.
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I sure don't call it the "distant past". And the fact is that SH was boasting about making out with porn stars until very shortly before she met the Prince 4-5 years ago which was the day when-by her own admission in her engagement interview-she decided she was going to marry him.

And that is when the frenzied effort to redefine herself as an orphan loving philanthropist began...not one second before.
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All those opposed to the engagement would be fawning all over them if a face-to-face meeting took place. Then they would brag to all their friends that they had met them and then come back on this forum and rip them to shreds!

Well, I obviously cannot speak for everyone. But I can speak for myself. I've met people a lot more famous than Carl-Philip and SH who I did not particularly admire(Ronald Reagan).

I most assuredly did not fawn over the guy, and I did not go and rip him afterward. I was polite but indifferent to his face, and I'd doubtless be the same with these two.
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Old 07-17-2014, 03:58 PM
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And that is when the frenzied effort to redefine herself as an orphan loving philanthropist began...not one second before.

That's where I have an issue. Our pasts are what it is. Our past. We can't change it. The pictures are not as much of an issue for me as other things.

If it was not for meeting/dating CP, would Sofia be involved with Project Playground? Maybe yes, maybe no. My feeling is probably not. She in all likelihood would have continued with her modeling, probably got into acting. My issue with her is that fame appears to be her motivator, and if not for CP, fame would come from continuing her life as it was, and probably not from her philanthropic endevours that began after meeting CP.

Would I be pleased to meet them? Sure! She seems nice, as does CP. Who wouldn't want to meet royalty?


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I sure don't call it the "distant past". And the fact is that SH was boasting about making out with porn stars until very shortly before she met the Prince 4-5 years ago which was the day when-by her own admission in her engagement interview-she decided she was going to marry him.

And that is when the frenzied effort to redefine herself as an orphan loving philanthropist began...not one second before.
I honestly believe after listening to the interview about how and when she decided to marry him that she got her game plan in order and did just that. There is no doubt that she is a pretty girl with an beautiful body, the body of a very well made young woman and I bet she know all the ways to a man's heart and how to make the world go round and around again and again.....yes she does know what she wants in life and how to get it.
Yet there are some qualities that she is lacking such as grace, dignity and most of all keeping the mouth closed when reporters are around. If I was in that family, the idea of what she would find out about the family and somehow let it slip to reporters would make for many sleepless nights. After all, every family has secrets that they don't want other people to know.......nor to have books written about them ie, KCG and his past.

QP:Would I be pleased to meet them? Sure! She seems nice, as does CP. Who wouldn't want to meet royalty?

I wouldn't care to meet them, they are just the same as everyone else on this earth. Having money, title doesn't make them any more important then anyone else, how do I know this...oh, having met many many people with titles, money and names in papers that are just *people* to me. Now if it was Queen Elizabeth II or Queen Beatrice of the Netherlands, or King Harold of Norway then I would be impressed, very impressed.
I don't get carried away by the title or money, it's all superficial and vane to me. I have my list of who I would want to dinner if I had a dinner for a party of 8, most of them have died, some are thousands of years old, and only 1 seat left.
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I honestly believe after listening to the interview about how and when she decided to marry him that she got her game plan in order and did just that. There is no doubt that she is a pretty girl with an beautiful body, the body of a very well made young woman and I bet she know all the ways to a man's heart and how to make the world go round and around again and again.....yes she does know what she wants in life and how to get it.
Yet there are some qualities that she is lacking such as grace, dignity and most of all keeping the mouth closed when reporters are around. If I was in that family, the idea of what she would find out about the family and somehow let it slip to reporters would make for many sleepless nights. After all, every family has secrets that they don't want other people to know.......nor to have books written about them ie, KCG and his past.

QP:Would I be pleased to meet them? Sure! She seems nice, as does CP. Who wouldn't want to meet royalty?

I wouldn't care to meet them, they are just the same as everyone else on this earth. Having money, title doesn't make them any more important then anyone else, how do I know this...oh, having met many many people with titles, money and names in papers that are just *people* to me. Now if it was Queen Elizabeth II or Queen Beatrice of the Netherlands, or King Harold of Norway then I would be impressed, very impressed.
I don't get carried away by the title or money, it's all superficial and vane to me. I have my list of who I would want to dinner if I had a dinner for a party of 8, most of them have died, some are thousands of years old, and only 1 seat left.
Blah blah blah. They are just the same as everyone else on this earth? You certainly don't treat them as such. And you don't get carried away by a title? Then why would you be impressed by meeting Queen Elizabeth II or *Princess* Beatrix of the Netherlands while apparently not caring for another crowned head?
I suppose because they meet your standards for decorum.
That is what I call opinionated. And opinionated is not a characteristic that I attribute to a lady - as you have previously called yourself ("an ole opinionated lady").


I agree with another poster who said that your ideas about women seem to be rather misogynic. You seem to be from the conviction that women should be seen and not heard.
You sound rather arrogant with showing "life's experience" with an undertone to others of "how would you know? Take me as an example, that's how it should be".

You don't seem to see that you are contradicting yourself and not everyone on this earth has the morals that you deem right - but it doesn't give you the right to talk about them as if they are below you.

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I sure don't call it the "distant past". And the fact is that SH was boasting about making out with porn stars until very shortly before she met the Prince 4-5 years ago which was the day when-by her own admission in her engagement interview-she decided she was going to marry him.

And that is when the frenzied effort to redefine herself as an orphan loving philanthropist began...not one second before.
That's where opinions differ - I don't call 10 years ago the recent past. Can you quote that admission of her that when she met the prince that she decided to marry him?
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Old 07-18-2014, 07:03 AM
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I honestly believe after listening to the interview about how and when she decided to marry him that she got her game plan in order and did just that. There is no doubt that she is a pretty girl with an beautiful body, the body of a very well made young woman and I bet she know all the ways to a man's heart and how to make the world go round and around again and again.....yes she does know what she wants in life and how to get it.
Yet there are some qualities that she is lacking such as grace, dignity and most of all keeping the mouth closed when reporters are around. If I was in that family, the idea of what she would find out about the family and somehow let it slip to reporters would make for many sleepless nights. After all, every family has secrets that they don't want other people to know.......nor to have books written about them ie, KCG and his past.

QP:Would I be pleased to meet them? Sure! She seems nice, as does CP. Who wouldn't want to meet royalty?

I wouldn't care to meet them, they are just the same as everyone else on this earth. Having money, title doesn't make them any more important then anyone else, how do I know this...oh, having met many many people with titles, money and names in papers that are just *people* to me. Now if it was Queen Elizabeth II or Queen Beatrice of the Netherlands, or King Harold of Norway then I would be impressed, very impressed.
I don't get carried away by the title or money, it's all superficial and vane to me. I have my list of who I would want to dinner if I had a dinner for a party of 8, most of them have died, some are thousands of years old, and only 1 seat left.
You know, for someone who already belongs to this family for a while and knows all of them private Sofia is impressivly tight-lipped when she is talking to the reporters. Yes, she is talking to them because she seems to be a very openminded and friendly person, but she never said anything scandalous, when she talked to them. All she ever said is that A is a nice person or that B has a big heart or that C is a person who impresses her or that all of them welcomed her into the family a lang while ago. Nothing that makes big money or gives the SRF or their press departement people sleepless nights. In fact it are all nice things, whereas she could say so much more if she just would want to say it. After all, she met all of them private, takes part at many private events, was inside their homes, most likely heard and saw things that would make the scandal of the month. I.e. the king in red-white polka-dot pants singing along whilst making pancakes or something like that. How much money could she make with an information or a photo like that? And how famous could she become with that? But she never does or says something like that. So she definitiely isn't an fame-seeking blabbermouth, no matter what some posters always says. In my eyes, she keeps her mouth shut about things reporters shouldn't know while keeping them happy with a smile and some harmless nice words every now and then. Nothing wrong with that.
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How much money could she make with an information or a photo like that? And how famous could she become with that? But she never does or says something like that. So she definitiely isn't an fame-seeking blabbermouth, no matter what some posters always says. In my eyes, she keeps her mouth shut about things reporters shouldn't know while keeping them happy with a smile and some harmless nice words every now and then. Nothing wrong with that.
Well, Sofia isn't stupid. Of course she isn't telling anything worth money to the press since she wanted to be a princess and Carl Philip's wife. She knew that if she would spoke carelessly, she would miss her chance.
But she has babbled with the press about the members of the royal family. Which Daniel, Emma, Chris and Jonas didn't.
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Again, all she said were harmless but nice words along with a smile. Nothing wrong with that. Sofia is Sofia. Not Daniel, Chris, Jonas or Emma. We should stop comparing her with them, just like we should stop comparing things Victoria did with things Madeleine or Carl Philip did. Just because someone did something before differently the current version of handling things isn't wrong or bad.
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Blah blah blah. They are just the same as everyone else on this earth? You certainly don't treat them as such. And you don't get carried away by a title? Then why would you be impressed by meeting Queen Elizabeth II or *Princess* Beatrix of the Netherlands while apparently not caring for another crowned head?
I suppose because they meet your standards for decorum.
That is what I call opinionated. And opinionated is not a characteristic that I attribute to a lady - as you have previously called yourself ("an ole opinionated lady").


I agree with another poster who said that your ideas about women seem to be rather misogynic. You seem to be from the conviction that women should be seen and not heard.
You sound rather arrogant with showing "life's experience" with an undertone to others of "how would you know? Take me as an example, that's how it should be".

You don't seem to see that you are contradicting yourself and not everyone on this earth has the morals that you deem right - but it doesn't give you the right to talk about them as if they are below you.


For me, QEII and QB and KH are people that are worth meeting, I am impressed that they care about the people of the country that they are from and work very very hard at promoting their country which says a lot about them. They don't expect the country to pick up the tab without working for it as some people with titles do, CPC! They act with dignity and show respect to all. Nothing wrong with that at all!
And as for being an *ole opinionated lady"), very true and not ashamed of it one bit, even you have opinions and sure do express them as I am responding to them, so your just as opinionated as I am,
As for thinking that I want women to be seen and not heard, well now how did that come about as I am a person who very strongly expresses her opinions and I sure don't like women to just sit and do nothing, we all have the right to express ourselves, in fact I think women are more highly intelligent then men since in history men seem to have a leaning to things that they think a man should be about when in the true sense of the world men are really insecure when it comes to a woman who expresses her opinions with more intelligence then they can, men don't really take the time to think with what is in the brains, now this is not all men as I have known some very nice men who are highly educated and have shown me many different ways of thinking about something and have shown me that sometimes I react to something without thinking about how to do so. It's called letting the buttons be pushed the wrong way.....
My idea of *morals* is what I apply to my life, and how I feel about morals. Yes many people have different morals and that is okay, I just make sure none of those people enter my personal life and that is okay with me. And why don't I have the right to express my opinion about them, you do. As for being below my me, well that all depends on whom your talking about as yes there are so many people in this world that are way below me as I would never do some of the things that other people do and and we all have people in life that we as an individual person would not want in our lives, I don't let just anyone in my life, I don't want to the be most popular or have the most friends/tweets/in this world. After all we can't please everybody can we? Many people will admire/idealize/love people for no reason other then that they are pretty, have a title, have fame, have money, for me all that is very vain. There should be something in the heart and soul for a person to be loved and admired, none of that comes across to me of this couple. After all isn't this the world of *ME and only Me!* See in my time when I was a lot younger, it wasn't just about ME, it was about the WHOLE people, this is now becoming lost in society as I see it. Again that is just my opinion as I am sure you have yours.
From your posts, it seems that SH can do no wrong and you highly admire her....I wonder why? When did she become so perfect?
Skippy do have a great day, nothing is going to stop this wedding, and SH will be here for many years for all of us to talk about..........
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Well, I obviously cannot speak for everyone. But I can speak for myself. I've met people a lot more famous than Carl-Philip and SH who I did not particularly admire(Ronald Reagan).

I most assuredly did not fawn over the guy, and I did not go and rip him afterward. I was polite but indifferent to his face, and I'd doubtless be the same with these two.
I also met RR and was not highly impressed with him and just shook his hand and kept going. A lot of people that think that they are important seems to think that everyone around them should be impressed by them and that is such a narrow minded view. PCP and SH seem to be in this group of people and I for one could care less about meeting them.
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That's where opinions differ - I don't call 10 years ago the recent past. Can you quote that admission of her that when she met the prince that she decided to marry him?

Skippy, the link to the entire interview was posted on this very Forum. And Google is simply awesome.
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I enjoyed meeting RR and the naughty King CG and, best of all, Hussein of Jordan.

I met these people when I was in private banker for a large Swiss bank.

I would like to meet more, but I left that job 17 years ago, so expanding my list is pretty much not going to happen. Sophia and CP are on my list of "would like to meet"...
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Skippy, the link to the entire interview was posted on this very Forum. And Google is simply awesome.
I suppose you mean the interview they gave to DT, I have read that and I can't find anything remotely pointing to that she decided to marry him from day one.
So my question remains.
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I enjoyed meeting RR and the naughty King CG and, best of all, Hussein of Jordan.

I met these people when I was in private banker for a large Swiss bank.

I would like to meet more, but I left that job 17 years ago, so expanding my list is pretty much not going to happen. Sophia and CP are on my list of "would like to meet"...
What a great job that sounds like it was. I would have loved to have met the late King Hussein of Jordan. Extraordinary man.
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Then you didn't read the same interview I read.
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