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Old 06-30-2014, 04:58 AM
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I suppose she found out who the prince was at a rather young age, which means she had been planning it since she was 5 y/o or so. Not very likely.
From all that I have read here and elsewhere, she met him in 2008 when he was still dating EP. PCP broke up with EP in March of 2009,
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:09 AM
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I think when someone finds it necessary to denigrate Prince Daniel by misrepresenting and devaluing his achievements prior to his marriage, in a feeble attempt create the perception that he and Sofia Hellqvist's work résumé's are on a par, is risable at best and offensive at worst.

Note: When you find it necessary to pull someone down in order to raise someone else up, you need to take an integrity check.
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I totally agree with you about Daniel, he is above par in regards to SH. He has shown he can and did make it in this world all on his own values, hard work, integrity and honesty. I so applaud this man, for he has shown the world that he is a devoted husband, father and hard working royal for the family. Victoria and he have found their soul mates in each other and that is priceless.

For all the whitewashing of SH and her resume, only fools will believe it, and intelligent people will see through it and smile and some will smirk for they know what it is.

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It's not right to try to make one person seem much more better than the other as well.
Nobody needs to make Daniel seem better, he is what he is.......honest, intelligent, has integrity, works very hard for the royal family, does NOT talk to the press nor court the media in any way, does not put himself out there before anyone in the family and loves his family and is devoted to them 100%. His record before he married Victoria speaks for itself, he doesn't need nor want anyone to speak for him nor white wash his resume.
He stands proud to be the man that he is, and for that he has the respect of the Swedish people I am sure.
SH has her very own record to stand on all by herself and she made that record, nobody but her. And this is before she marries PCP.

This isn't about who is making someone better then the other, their records speak for themselves....it's all in the news and recorded. Just read it and enjoy............
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:10 AM
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Such a shame that a beautiful moment between to people who love each other and are taking a major step together is being turned into something bad and ugly because they can't get over the past.
Hear, hear!

I admit, I have some reservations when it comes to Sofia. But I'm willing to give her a chance to start over and prove herself to everyone. Everyone deserves a second chance. She's no different than you and I in that matter.

Another thing that I'm quite sure of is that these two are in love. And that's actually all I need to know. Carl Philip seems happy and relaxed around her. His family has accepted her, and they know her better than any of the posters on this forum. No one knows what's in the future, but I hope that she will find her way and place as apart of the royal family.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:14 AM
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From all that I have read here and elsewhere, she met him in 2008 when he was still dating EP. PCP broke up with EP in March of 2009,
I thought that with 'when she found out who he was' you didn't mean personal acquaintance. And since she lives in Sweden I gathered that she must have realized that the prince existed from a young age due to the press.

In any case, we will never know what her private motivations were, unless she writes a tell-it-all book (though autobiographies and interviews are notoriously untrustworthy in general).

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Such a shame that a beautiful moment between to people who love each other and are taking a major step together is being turned into something bad and ugly because they can't get over the past.
Bad and ugly? I think it is legitemate to discuss if this lady is suitable for representing Sweden. If the Bernadotte's were a private family that should not be an issue, but they aren't. They are paid lavishly and showered with many privileges to represent the country in a dignified way. Furthermore, I don't think that the past is the major concern, but more what it says about the present and the future. Though predicting is often a fruitless exersize of course. On a personal level, I am quite sure that most wish the couple all the best.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:23 AM
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Well, I think she said something odd at the engagement interview:
Q: There was no doubts?
- Not at all. I have been waiting for this day, says Sofia Hellqvist.
Q: How long have you been waiting?
- Since the day we met, says Sofia Hellqvist.

She didn't say "since we started dating" but "since the day we met".
According to many articles in the swedish press Sofia met Carl Philip for the first time in 2008, when Carl Philip was still together with Emma Pernald. Carl Philip and Emma broke up in the beginning of March 2009.
Yes, and we all know what happened. There were stories about it. At a moment in time when news articles talked about an engagement being imminent, Sofia inserted herself. Anyone who has had their man targeted by someone like Sofia knows how it works - and so it was. She made her play - and won. It is what it is. Emma moved on - and all of that really is in the past. Emma was done a favor imo. Any man who would take such bait is not a good bet in the long term for someone like Emma. Carl Philip and Sofia are well suited, I think, in many ways.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:27 AM
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Daniel is a lovely man. I agree. But other than that he is nothing special. I think Sofia made her own money, too, before CP. And he has earned the respect of the Swedish people by being given a chance. She has the right to be given a chance. The some day Swedish Queen will be married to a Gym owner. Which by the way, is fine, but not by your definition. It took King Olav 9 years too accept Sonja as Harald's wife, more's the pity, but she did really well. He said so too. You have the haughty idea that this woman, who made mistakes has no right for another chance. Lord Jesus said he who has no sin can cast the first rock. Either start thinking or start throwing.
Sofia made her money, how? Nothing about that is said at her whitewashed CV the court posted at the engagement press release. According to the press articles, she worked as a waitress, posed for some photos, was Miss Slitz and attended at Paradise Hotel. I think you can't get much money from that, she wasn't a supermodel. Then she went to New York and worked as a waitress and gave yoga lessons and was involved at starting at a yoga studio, according to the press. Living in New York is rather expensive, so I don't think that she could save any money at all. She came back to Sweden, there is no information what she did before Project Playground was started.
https://translate.google.com/transla...pdf&edit-text=

After Project Playground was founded and Sofia has been able to use the connections she has got through the royal family and the Project has got money to run, I guess she gets some salary now.

As for Daniel, there is no gaps in his biography at the court website. He was an owner at a gym chain and the ceo of those gyms. And he knew some powerful people already before he met Victoria and became friends with them, he met them at his gyms. According to Aftonbladet the value of Daniel's shares in different companies (his own and Brasil Development) was over two million euros in February 2010, and he got a dividend of almost 90000 euros.
Säger upp sig – tjänar storkovan Nyheter Aftonbladet
According to the court, Daniel still owns shares in his companies and gets dividends from them. All the members of the royal family own shares in different companies.

It will be interesting to see which kind of a role the court creates for Sofia, and if and how she continues with Project Playground. Will Project Playground become a royal foundation after the wedding?
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Old 06-30-2014, 06:47 AM
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I Sofia's defence I don't think we should put too much into what she says.
She simply hasn't got the training nor the sophistication to weigh her words carefully.
It's not my impression either that she is naturally articulate.
Like most people she just talks, without being neither careful nor too accurate.
She will hopefull recieve throrough lessons in PR and learn that in her position and with the controversy about her person it's better to say as little as possible.

If she doesn't, she will learn the hard way that she's now royal!

As for her past. Well, I've seen some arguments about the pics of her less than dressed are in the past and it shouldn't be held against her now.
I disagree.
Everything has a price.
When we make a choice, even early on in life, it has consequences. Some doors open, other doors close.
Usually, if you pose naked, do drugs, commit crime, associate the wrong people, have wrong political views, problems with your economy, have unfortunate family members and so on, that alone would barr you from becoming a royal (and many other "carees" as well for that matter). That means you later on in life need to work extra hard hoping some of these doors will open again. - Sofia has not impressed me in that respect.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Sofia is a bad person, I don't even think she's a calculating person.
My impression is that she's somewhat naive and that she has been flying through life without much care in the world. - Well, that's going to change now...

Can she learn to represent Sweden? Yes, provided she learns to smile as much as possible and say as little as possible.
The press will love her and the fashionistas will love/hate her just as much, because she will be a major topic in regards to what she wear. - There is nothing wrong with her figure, that is more than obvious to everyone...

I've said it before: I wouldn't want (or my daughter) to be in her shoes.
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Old 06-30-2014, 06:54 AM
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I was shocked about this. Sophia may be a nice girl and a great person but I doubt she's acceptable to become a high level diplomat, as one could call a royal. I guess the Swedish family considered they are already way down the throne line but it goes beyond that in my opinion. This can seriously damage the image of the Swedish royalty. I really like Daniel and admire his discretion and simplicity and how well he adapted to his role but it was already iffy getting a personal trainer to be crown prince of Sweden.
I remember people complained about letizia, a divorcee, becoming queen or mette marit, a single mum, becoming a queen. This is taking it to a whole new level...


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Old 06-30-2014, 07:12 AM
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Yes, and we all know what happened. There were stories about it. At a moment in time when news articles talked about an engagement being imminent, Sofia inserted herself. Anyone who has had their man targeted by someone like Sofia knows how it works - and so it was. She made her play - and won. It is what it is. Emma moved on - and all of that really is in the past. Emma was done a favor imo. Any man who would take such bait is not a good bet in the long term for someone like Emma. Carl Philip and Sofia are well suited, I think, in many ways.
Yes indeed they are..........neither have earned anything in life, it's all been handed to them on that platter of tarnished silver. The only saving grace for Sweden is Victoria and Daniel and their daughter. If this is the wave of the future of a royal family then soon there will be no royals left in this world.......
SH is a very calculating woman and she got the ring.
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Old 06-30-2014, 07:25 AM
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From all that I have read here and elsewhere, she met him in 2008 when he was still dating EP. PCP broke up with EP in March of 2009,
I don't believe that means a hill of beans. I met my husband in October of 1989 and I can still vividly recall the first time I laid eyes on him. He made that much of an impression. I also was married. Although we became close, platonic friends, we did not start actively dating until I was divorced for a few years in early 1996 and then married in 1997. It does happen and it doesn't always mean there is something dirty or sinister about it.

Me? I'm definitely going to go with giving her the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 06-30-2014, 07:29 AM
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Yes indeed they are..........neither have earned anything in life, it's all been handed to them on that platter of tarnished silver. The only saving grace for Sweden is Victoria and Daniel and their daughter. If this is the wave of the future of a royal family then soon there will be no royals left in this world.......
SH is a very calculating woman and she got the ring.

Sorry, you don't need a Carl Philip or a Sofia to let monarchie disappear.
In the long run there will only be left the four Kings of the bridge game.

B.T.W. talking about her way of "conquering her males"
Dutch gossip press speaks about her as "Lesbo princess"
So one of you are telling stories
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Old 06-30-2014, 07:46 AM
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Sorry, you don't need a Carl Philip or a Sofia to let monarchie disappear.
In the long run there will only be left the four Kings of the bridge game.

B.T.W. talking about her way of "conquering her males"
Dutch gossip press speaks about her as "Lesbo princess"
So one of you are telling stories
I don't understand your comment that I highlighted,
-I don't believe I ever said anything about her *conquering her males*
-Dutch gossip press speaks about her as Lesbo Princess, what is that?
-One of you are (should be is telling) stories..........who is telling stories?
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Old 06-30-2014, 08:03 AM
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The first part of my comment was in answer to your post.

I should have posted the second part apart.
Anyway I read a lot about her "Conquering males" on social media and funny enough
the dutch gossip press today had an article about "How a lesbo will become a swedish princess"
I did not read the article, but only saw the headline.
I did not know that someone who is a lesbienne also conquers males.!?

Means to me that a lot of rubbish is told about her.
Besides I am not a fan of her either, but let us be a bit more differentiated in our views
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Old 06-30-2014, 08:06 AM
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I just saw the headline 'this is the bisexual princess of Sweden' in the Telegraaf. It seems that the gossip press gave their own twist to the story. Perhaps it is based on Sofia claiming to have kissed a female pornographic actress. Or maybe she said something in her earlier years as reality starlet. The article in the Telegraaf didn't mention any source.

Edit: the article 'from pin-up to princess' elaborates on the issue.

The article starts with:

"He: one of the most handsome princes in the world. She: a beautiful bisexual woman who made money as a pin-up model and reality starlet. This may well be the most remarkable royal engagement in history".
http://www.telegraaf.nl/premium/priv...prinses__.html

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"[she] was often seen half naked as a model and [she] presented herself in a barbie-style way in a vulgar reality show, with as cherry on the pie a short lived lesbian affair with the American pornographic actress Jenna Jameson".
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Jenna Jamieson is a hard core porn star. I can't imagine any decent person wanting to be in her company let alone kissing her, yuk.
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Old 06-30-2014, 08:50 AM
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I just saw the headline 'this is the bisexual princess of Sweden' in the Telegraaf. It seems that the gossip press gave their own twist to the story. Perhaps it is based on Sofia claiming to have kissed a female pornographic actress. Or maybe she said something in her earlier years as reality starlet. The article in the Telegraaf didn't mention any source.

Edit: the article 'from pin-up to princess' elaborates on the issue.

The article starts with:

"He: one of the most handsome princes in the world. She: a beautiful bisexual woman who made money as a pin-up model and reality starlet. This may well be the most remarkable royal engagement in history".
Van pin-up tot prinses | Prive | Telegraaf.nl

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"[she] was often seen half naked as a model and [she] presented herself in a barbie-style way in a vulgar reality show, with as cherry on the pie a short lived lesbian affair with the American pornographic actress Jenna Jameson".
That is exactly the source. I remember.
It was already published when the gossip press heard about the new relation of Prince Carl Philip and "the lesbo" They wrote about The prince and the lesbo.
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Old 06-30-2014, 08:56 AM
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Some of those headlines seem to be suggesting that being bisexual or a "lesbo" is something to be ashamed of. If Sofia is or was either of those things, so what?

I have to laugh at some people trying to discern Queen Silvia's true feelings about this from her facial expressions. After the 'adjustments' she's made to her face I'm not sure it's capable of such a feat.
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I thought Sweden was supposed to be tolerant of alternative lifestyles? What possible difference should it make then if she actually were a bisexual etc?


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Old 06-30-2014, 09:06 AM
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I thought Sweden was supposed to be tolerant of alternative lifestyles? What possible difference should it make then if she actually were a bisexual etc?


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None what so ever. If she was only attracted to women, I could see a problem.. :) I honestly don't think that anyone in Sweden (well, perhaps some conservative royal watches) cares if she would happen to be bisexual.
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Old 06-30-2014, 09:07 AM
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Just read on another site that Sofia was 13 years old when she started posing.
13 years old! where were her parents?!
My then 16 year old daughter was once spotted in Amsterdam.
She got some phone number to contact them.
We, as her parents were lucky to convince her to stop the whole thing, otherwise we would have forbidden it.

Of course she was angry and frustrated about the missed opportunity.
Today fourteen years later she is happy about it
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