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Old 11-17-2015, 11:21 AM
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Unfortunately this always happens. Lack something new and gossip natural rehashing old.
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Old 11-17-2015, 12:48 PM
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According to Sjberg the princess also knows that the images are still on his website. "We have discussed that. But if they would call me, we could talk about, of course, to remove them," he says.
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hmmm. that last sentence....Does the photographer want a payout to remove the images?

I think there is already lots of pictures of Sofia on the net, nothing new. She cant undo her past, just move forward. And so far she has done okay in her new role
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Old 11-17-2015, 11:30 PM
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@polyesco - I think the photog wants a payout. It's borderline blackmail to the palace: pay me or I'll release the real nasty pictures, stuff that make the current photos out there look like baby pictures.

I had a feeling the press would unearth Sofia's skeletons once she has had the princess role for a while; it was simply waiting for the moment to strike. What gets me is that the court thought this would never surface after Sofia got her HRH. Her parents look bad for allowing her to do the pictures.
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Old 11-17-2015, 11:34 PM
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@Queen Claude - the "cover up" is Sofia denying she ever did those pictures while underage.
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Old 11-17-2015, 11:35 PM
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I think it doesn't matter. Worst that happens is a bad cycle of headlines and a little nasty gossip.

Sofia's life cannot and should not be defined by those pictures. The constant attempt to do so is misogynistic and gross.
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Old 11-18-2015, 12:14 AM
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The only people whose morals and decency I question are the photographer and Sofia's parents. They all knew she was underage. But for Sofia herself, if you are that age and someone told you you were beautiful and asked you to pose for a magazine and your mum and dad say it's okay well, it's every young girl's dream.

Three adults knew she was underage, three adults chose to ignore her age and three adults exploited her youth and ignorance. That set her on the road to her career. There is no dirt on Sofia's hands from those photos. Put the blame and the shame where it belongs . . . on those three adults.
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Old 11-18-2015, 12:21 AM
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Bravo MARG, I agree with your post. Adults pushing underage teen are the ones lacking in integrity.
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Old 11-18-2015, 01:32 AM
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The festival which photographer Sjberg refers to is obviously Hultsfreds Rock Festival in June 2001, where Sofia very willingly posed for a photographer.
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Obviously Sofia wanted to get to photos taken by photographer Sjberg and her parents were stupid enough to say yes. Of course they should have denied Sofia to pose at these topless photos in Thailand. The year was 2001 and the world was a lot different then than now. Nowadays many see 15 year olds as adults already.
And these kind of people are now going to be grandparents for prince Carl Philip's child.
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Old 11-18-2015, 03:42 AM
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I am betting that more people now see what happened to Sofia as child exploitation even a sex crime. In 2001, many of people didn't know ver much about such things because they were not campaigning against the exploitation of children and spreading it across the TV internationally as they are these days.

Thailand is and remains a base of child sex exploitation. I know a lot of people will not see a connection, but it is there. It's a long and expensive trip from Sweden to Thailand so there must have been (vain) hopes of making a killing.

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She looks like the child she is and what she was doing at such a festival drinking obviously unsupervised and drinking alcohol once again comes back to her parents.

As to letting a photographer take photos? Once again she was underage and obviously drinking.
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Old 11-18-2015, 03:58 AM
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The festival which photographer Sjberg refers to is obviously Hultsfreds Rock Festival in June 2001, where Sofia very willingly posed for a photographer.
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Obviously Sofia wanted to get to photos taken by photographer Sjberg and her parents were stupid enough to say yes. Of course they should have denied Sofia to pose at these topless photos in Thailand. The year was 2001 and the world was a lot different then than now. Nowadays many see 15 year olds as adults already.
And these kind of people are now going to be grandparents for prince Carl Philip's child.
what right such a value judgment on future grandparents?




the king is a good example with his life of debauchery, in bars with friends and young women? not for me,

You fill the forum of information, which everybody can find on the net, but if it filled your life, it is very well. But when one deliberately chooses to put this or that information, it is not credible to me.
Almost every day, an article was written about sofia, positive or negative.

If you put a very often it will be that the less positive.
The majority of people and newspapers, are in the present, and look what sofia done in the present. And opinions are generally positive.
Perhaps, is this a problem for some people, hence the need to take out constantly the old stories and old photos, views and reviews, and have to speak the same things all the time.
You do not like sofia, fine, let him live his life, and continue to post on the forum information your 'perfect' victoria.
Last thing, my comment may be deleted, but if you can criticize people who are not public (sofia parents) I think it is the same for people here then.
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Old 11-18-2015, 05:29 AM
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the king is a good example with his life of debauchery, in bars with friends and young women? not for me,

You fill the forum of information, which everybody can find on the net, but if it filled your life, it is very well. But when one deliberately chooses to put this or that information, it is not credible to me.
Almost every day, an article was written about sofia, positive or negative.

If you put a very often it will be that the less positive.
The majority of people and newspapers, are in the present, and look what sofia done in the present. And opinions are generally positive.
Perhaps, is this a problem for some people, hence the need to take out constantly the old stories and old photos, views and reviews, and have to speak the same things all the time.
You do not like sofia, fine, let him live his life, and continue to post on the forum information your 'perfect' victoria.
Last thing, my comment may be deleted, but if you can criticize people who are not public (sofia parents) I think it is the same for people here then.
AMEN, AMEN and AMEN. That is the problem a lot here, judgment and superiority. Especially where Sofia is concerned.

And, finally, someone who shares my viewpoint that Victoria receives a deifying treatment and apparently can do no wrong. That is what has been irritating me for a long time. She is a human being, not a holy being.

Apparently Victoria and Sofia can't co-exist due to Victoria being practically perfect and Sofia being Sofia.
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Old 11-18-2015, 05:51 AM
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The king has blatantly committed adultery, true; but the Hellqvists, depending on the laws in Sweden, may have committed a crime by allowing an underage girl do these kind of pictures. As for any nude and borderline porn pictures Sofia did when she was 18 or older, that is on Sofia because she was legally an adult at the time and she chose to do them. I doubt Sofia will publicly throw her parents under the bus now that the story is getting around, but the palace? The family will be there for the christening, but beyond that...who knows.

Sofia has also been dragged recently in the press since she became princess...

Efter kritiken: Sofia flyr från Sverige | Stoppa Pressarna – Kungligheter – Kungafamiljen – Svensk Damtidning – Prinsessan Madeleine – Kronprinsessan Victoria

Svenskdam is bringing up the tattoos...really?

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The news stories are implying Sofia is bringing nothing new to the table, so they'll bring up her past. I think these stories were triggered by Sofia being a no show at the Tunisian state visit. The palace put out an explanation...but still Sofia is starting to get bad press, and that includes her past coming back to haunt her.
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:08 AM
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Sofia's 'past' is well known. Its nothing new. The people of Sweden are okay with it. She appears to be very popular and CP is in love with her.

The past is the past no matter how much some people want to bring it up. Sofia is now a princess and her future looks bright.
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:28 AM
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As said Rudolph this is the past of Sofia and not changing anymore. Apparently Sofia could not imagine knowing that one day I would become a princess and a member of the royal family. Perhaps they have been more "prudent". The thing is that the press will always discovers new photos from the past or whatever and have them published. This always do. The past can not change, but its future seems to be bright.
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Old 11-18-2015, 06:44 AM
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The king has blatantly committed adultery, true; but the Hellqvists, depending on the laws in Sweden, may have committed a crime by allowing an underage girl do these kind of pictures. As for any nude and borderline porn pictures Sofia did when she was 18 or older, that is on Sofia because she was legally an adult at the time and she chose to do them. I doubt Sofia will publicly throw her parents under the bus now that the story is getting around, but the palace? The family will be there for the christening, but beyond that...who knows.

Sofia has also been dragged recently in the press since she became princess...

Efter kritiken: Sofia flyr från Sverige | Stoppa Pressarna – Kungligheter – Kungafamiljen – Svensk Damtidning – Prinsessan Madeleine – Kronprinsessan Victoria

Svenskdam is bringing up the tattoos...really?

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The news stories are implying Sofia is bringing nothing new to the table, so they'll bring up her past. I think these stories were triggered by Sofia being a no show at the Tunisian state visit. The palace put out an explanation...but still Sofia is starting to get bad press, and that includes her past coming back to haunt her.
Wow, the tabloids, you are right, this is information. EVERY weeks, a history, and a 'new' drama, which disappears the following week.

sofia's past, so he comes back, the media have nothing, so we go back. But all this is known. Magazines speak sofia tattoos, so what?

Today, it still speaks of the nightlife of madeleine.

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Is it a beautiful image of a princess, a young mother, molded in his pants. For me, it is vulgar. Every week the media talk about someone, for his taste for luxuries, life, etc .. It is not only that of sofia, bad press, as it seems to say here.

And this story, state visit becomes ridiculous. Do not worry, there will be others, she will be. The anniversary of his association was the same date. There she was, with the agreement of the palace. Point. I think that the palace had to say, 5 members of the Royal Family to receive, was largely sufficient. No need to deprive sofia, celebrated its association.
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Old 11-18-2015, 07:10 AM
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Tabloids can sometimes be right, oddly enough. The National Enquirer was first to report that U.S. presidential candidate John Edwards was cheating on his dying wife and had a child out of wedlock. And it turned out to be true, so true that the mainstream press had to run the stories; especially when revealed Edwards was allegedly using campaign funds to cover it up. (He was acquitted). Bigger surprise - the tabloid was nominated for a Pulitzer prize for exposing Edwards where the respected press wouldn't at first touch this story. Tabloids cook up stories, but once in a blue moon they get it right.

Project Playground was founded in March 2010. The five year anniversary was earlier and that could have been celebrated around that time. There was no reason for Sofia to be MIA from the state visit (she was there for the Indian state visit days before her wedding).
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Tabloids can sometimes be right, oddly enough. The National Enquirer was first to report that U.S. presidential candidate John Edwards was cheating on his dying wife and had a child out of wedlock. And it turned out to be true, so true that the mainstream press had to run the stories; especially when revealed Edwards was allegedly using campaign funds to cover it up. (He was acquitted). Bigger surprise - the tabloid was nominated for a Pulitzer prize for exposing Edwards where the respected press wouldn't at first touch this story. Tabloids cook up stories, but once in a blue moon they get it right.

Project Playground was founded in March 2010. The five year anniversary was earlier and that could have been celebrated around that time. There was no reason for Sofia to be MIA from the state visit (she was there for the Indian state visit days before her wedding).
But if there is a reason. A birthday. After why it was chosen this date, I do not know, you have more. Maybe they have said that Mars and the following month, it was difficult to come to Sofia and so we postponed the celebration. A wedding prepared, interviews and other thing that we perhaps do not know,.
A celebration was made on that date, sponsors and other guests, directed show, I precise because to read, soon you will tell us that there was nothing there, and everything is invented.
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Old 11-18-2015, 07:38 AM
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The king has blatantly committed adultery, true; but the Hellqvists, depending on the laws in Sweden, may have committed a crime by allowing an underage girl do these kind of pictures. As for any nude and borderline porn pictures Sofia did when she was 18 or older, that is on Sofia because she was legally an adult at the time and she chose to do them. I doubt Sofia will publicly throw her parents under the bus now that the story is getting around, but the palace? The family will be there for the christening, but beyond that...who knows.
Nude pics of a person under the age of eighteen, would have been legal back then. Provided they were taken with the consent of a parent or guardian.
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It is not unusual that a Princess misses a State Banquet. Madeleine has missed out on many, and even the Crown Princess does not attend at all State Visits. Imo there is no reason to read so much into Sofia's absence.
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It is not unusual that a Princess misses a State Banquet. Madeleine has missed out on many, and even the Crown Princess does not attend at all State Visits. Imo there is no reason to read so much into Sofia's absence.

thanks for precision, because he seems, it is necessary to search a conspiracy behind the absence of sofia.
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