Am I the only one who don't like the cameo tiara? the size, the color,too much!
I didn't like it on Victoria either... the veil and the plain hairdo were hidden by the crown...
I wrote that in post #63, I don't like it either for the same reasons.
Am I the only one who don't like the cameo tiara? the size, the color,too much!
I didn't like it on Victoria either... the veil and the plain hairdo were hidden by the crown...
Online but I have not reliable sources to link sorry
I read that Lindwell (who usually is very well.informed slipped "duchess of varmland"
Glad I'm not alone
Am I the only one who don't like the cameo tiara? the size, the color,too much!
I didn't like it on Victoria either... the veil and the plain hairdo were hidden by the crown...
I didn't like the cameo till Victoria wore it. She really won me over for this tiara. Back then I had hoped that it would become family's traditional wedding tiara. But since Madeleine chose not to wear it, I don't think that Sofia should.Am I the only one who don't like the cameo tiara? the size, the color,too much!
I didn't like it on Victoria either... the veil and the plain hairdo were hidden by the crown...
Most likely not only the aesthetic aspect played a role, also the history and the grandness of a jewel is taken into account, for sure when it is about a wedding of a future Queen. The elaborate suite came via Hortense de Beauharnais, Queen of Holland into the hands of her niece Joséphine de Beauharnais, Duchess of Leuchtenberg.
The first Bernadotte King of Sweden was a Maréchal de France, serving under Napoléon. His son would marry Napoléons "step-granddaughter" Joséphine, it is clear the suite with the camées is of great historic importance. Nice or ugly then are of secondary importance.
I have seen photoshopped versions of Madeleine in her bridal attire with the cameo tiara instead of the diamond one. I thought it absolutely gorgeous! It went very well with the hairstyle M. had at her wedding day.Thank ypu Lee-Z for your explanation...
About the cameo tiara: maybe it depends on how it suits the person as well! IMO even if I don't like it I must say that Victoria managed to pull it off... even better that her mom... I don't know if I'd say the same should I see it on Sofia's head of if Madde had worn it
I have seen photoshopped versions of Madeleine in her bridal attire with the cameo tiara instead of the diamond one. I thought it absolutely gorgeous! It went very well with the hairstyle M. had at her wedding day.
But since she wore "only" the modern fringe (a disappointing choice imho), I would find it weird to see the cameo on any other bride than Estelle. Besides, Sofia is more petite than Victoria and Madeleine. She might look overpowered with it.
At the other side Prince Carl Philip was born as Crown Prince and future King of Sweden until a change of the Constitution, very much against the wishes of the King who thought his son's already existing position and rights were infringed, made Princess Victoria the Crown Princess.
In the male lineage the Prince is the futue of the House Bernadotte. The fact that there are fideï-commis legates and arrangements benefitting Prince Carl Philip certain estates, like the specific bequeathing of Solbacken Estate to the Prince (and not to his sisters), underlines that for a lot of the old House arrangements he is "the man". For Sweden he is "just" Nr Three now, for his House he is still the new Bernadotte in the family tree. From some points of view his marriage his not that "unimportant". Also the fact that this week a Swede has bequeathed all his possesions to Prince Carl Philip indicates his initial position. He is an "important" Prince let's say and he has an equal access to the Bernadotte Foundation. After all he is the only new Bernadotte leave on the old tree.... It is not ruled out that Sofia will wear important jewels.
At the other side Prince Carl Philip was born as Crown Prince and future King of Sweden until a change of the Constitution, very much against the wishes of the King who thought his son's already existing position and rights were infringed, made Princess Victoria the Crown Princess.
In the male lineage the Prince is the futue of the House Bernadotte. The fact that there are fideï-commis legates and arrangements benefitting Prince Carl Philip certain estates, like the specific bequeathing of Solbacken Estate to the Prince (and not to his sisters), underlines that for a lot of the old House arrangements he is "the man". For Sweden he is "just" Nr Three now, for his House he is still the new Bernadotte in the family tree. From some points of view his marriage his not that "unimportant". Also the fact that this week a Swede has bequeathed all his possesions to Prince Carl Philip indicates his initial position. He is an "important" Prince let's say and he has an equal access to the Bernadotte Foundation. After all he is the only new Bernadotte leave on the old tree.... It is not ruled out that Sofia will wear important jewels.
It is true that there are arrangements to adapt the various regulations so that the King/Queen will have the usufruct rather than the most senior male agnate who would be King under the previous rules. For so far however, it has not been changed. I am sure it will, but I only want to stress that Carl Philip still has a sort of special position unless all and everything has been exactly fixed. That is also why I was disappointed by the choice of partner because I am of the opinion he should maintain the standard and the prestige of his illustrious House but apparently the young man doesn't care about that.
But Victoria also continues the Bernadotte line, Estelle is a Bernadotte, and Estelle's kids will be.* The rules as to how the line continues has changed as well as the succession law. In that respect Leonor is now a Princess and a Duchess. That would have been impossible in the previous generation. They women have been up-graded, they can now continue the dynasty in Sweden.I didn't consider this before, but you are right: CP is the male child and will continue the Bernadotte name. In a lot of families (not just royal) that is still an important thing.
Imo the size of the wedding will reflect that...
But Victoria also continues the Bernadotte line, Estelle is a Bernadotte, and Estelle's kids will be.* The rules as to how the line continues has changed as well as the succession law. In that respect Leonor is now a Princess and a Duchess. That would have been impossible in the previous generation. They women have been up-graded, they can now continue the dynasty in Sweden.
I don't think the CP's wedding will be bigger than Madeleine's because of him being male, or ranking higher in the succession. But M. reportedly wanted a small and private wedding and the King talked her into the public wedding she had. So if CP's wedding should be grander than M's, that's probably his and Sofia's choice.
* The Netherlands had three generations of Queens and the RF still considers themselves as Orange-Nassau. They never changed the dynastic name to Mecklenburg-Scherin, Lippe-Biesterfeld or von Amsberg. The young Engish royals might use Windsor-Mountbatten as a surname, but in a dynastic sense they are continuing the House of Windsor.
You're certainly not alone, does nothing whatsoever for me, wouldn't miss it if it got lost in the extensive swedish collection and was never seen again
However, the swedish ladies seem to like it, maybe it looks different in person than on pictures?
Just a question so that I can better understand this thread/line of thinking;
why is it still today that when a male child is born it is more important then a female child? Victoria is the first child of CG/S, why do I get the impression that because CP is male, he is more important regardless of the house he was born into, wasn't V also born into the HofB? The thinking of the world that males are more important then females has created many problems with different cultures and that has caused females to suffer horribly in this world, not just the past but in present day, India for example.
I am just trying to understand this line of thinking, this is 2014 not 1014...
I don't think the CP's wedding will be bigger than Madeleine's because of him being male, or ranking higher in the succession. But M. reportedly wanted a small and private wedding and the King talked her into the public wedding she had. So if CP's wedding should be grander than M's, that's probably his and Sofia's choice.
What about the Six-Button-Tiara?