Carl Philip and Sofia's Wedding: Suggestions and Musings

[Mirabel]

Weddings are often a great first "official outing" for a partner of a royal before they get engaged, so for the BRF i'm still betting on P.Beatrice *with* long-term partner Dave Clark

Maybe for Monaco Pierre Casiraghi with Beatrice Borromeo

I don't think Beatrice and Dave will attend unless they are officially engaged.
Anyway, Beatrice isn't supposed to have a role in the BRF, so I think someone else will attend.
Andrew seems most likely.

 

[HRHHermione]

I don't think Beatrice and Dave will attend unless they are officially engaged.
Anyway, Beatrice isn't supposed to have a role in the BRF, so I think someone else will attend.
Andrew seems most likely.

Why? Sophie and Edward have been the representatives at literally every other wedding of this type. They went to Victoria's, to Madeleine's, to basically every royal wedding of the last few years.


I think even if Edward stays for Trooping, Sophie will go alone. They have friends there at this point- they know each other.

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[Lee-Z]

You guys are not exactly helping getting this topic *away* from the BRF
(just kiddin', couldn't resist )

 

[Skippy]

But you still only say what you don't care to talk about, but not what you *would* like to talk about concerning the wedding of P.Carl-Philip and Sofia

True, but even I see that at this moment there is not much to talk about besides the location and the date. So I don't know what I would like to talk about, I'll just follow the discussion and join when I feel like it

 

[Archduchess Zelia]

I agree about Sophie attending on her own. While Edward might have an important role in Trooping, Sophie doesn't and can "afford" to miss it in favour of CP's wedding. She's also acquainted with the vast majority of the European royals and will most definitely have someone to tag along with.

Maybe for Monaco Pierre Casiraghi with Beatrice Borromeo

Charlène attended Madeleine's wedding. As CP is higher up the line of succession than Madeleine, I think we can expect attendance from at least Charlène and probably Albert as well.

 

[LadyFinn]

The Prince's wedding estimated to cost at least 6 million
When Madeleine married SEK 3 million was taken from the apanage, ie taxpayers' money given every year to the Royal Court. But the wedding was much more expensive than that. Expressen reported that "the majority" of Madeleine and Chris' wedding was paid by the king in private. Jan Lindman from the court confirmed to the magazine that the wedding cost at least 6 million.
According to Expressen's royal reporter Johan T Lindwall the King will be as generous this time: "Of course I can't talk about exact figures, but a royal wedding is in that cost class. Cost-wise, a royal wedding is not even close to a normal wedding. I think that this wedding will have about the same extent as when Madeleine and Chris married. And you have to remember that this kind of wedding, with dinners for the wedding, TV broadcasting, transportation and other costs a lot".
Lindwall doesn't believe that the king will take a very large portion of the costs from apanage: "I think the king is very wary of the costs because the majority of this kind of wedding is private".
di.se - Prinsens bröllop tippas kosta minst 6 miljoner kronor
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[Tilia C.]

Charlène attended Madeleine's wedding. As CP is higher up the line of succession than Madeleine, I think we can expect attendance from at least Charlène and probably Albert as well.

I don't think that it matters much for Charlene that CP is higher up in the line of succession. It porbably matters more that she will be a new mother of twins. She will probably see how things are going with the kids before she decides about travelling to Sweden.

 

[sophie25]

Prince Edward doesn't have ANY role at Trooping the Colour. He chooses to wear a uniform to it but I've never understood why. He is Colonel in Chief the the regiment whose uniform he wears but other Royal men like Prince Andrew and Prince Michael are also Colonel in Chief of regiments but don't wear them to this event. Traditionally the only people who wear uniform on this occasion have been the colonels of the household regiments, Prince Charles, Philip, Dukes of Kent and Cambridge and Princess Anne. Prince Harry also wears his for some reason as well but neither he nor Edward take part. There is therefore no reason why Edward can't go to Sweden and I strongly suspect that he Sophie will.

 

[Archduchess Zelia]

That was my impression as well. Edward doesn't ride alongside his brother, sister, nephew and great-uncle and doesn't have an important part to play at Trooping per se. IIRC, Sophie is a Colonel-in-chief as well.

I don't think that it matters much for Charlene that CP is higher up in the line of succession. It porbably matters more that she will be a new mother of twins. She will probably see how things are going with the kids before she decides about travelling to Sweden.

The twins will be about 6 months old at the time of CP's wedding – and if she doesn't feel ready to go just yet, I'm sure Albert will go by himself.

 

[Skippyboo]

Edward wears the uniform of the London Regiment which is reserve unit which is part of Guards Division. He's the Colonel. Harry wears his Blues and Royals uniform. Blues and Royals are part of the Household Calvary . They are part of the Trooping ceremony.

Edward isn't an active participant like the Colonels of the Guards/HC so he could miss it for the wedding.


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[GömdNatt]

I think it's highly likely that Edward & Sophie will skip Trooping to attend the wedding (though what I wouldn't give to see Will & Kate at the wedding, but alas).

I think the only one who plays a role in Trooping is the Queen, but that is a discussion for a different thread.

I hope to see Charlene, but with 6 or 7-month old twins, I don't imagine it'd be too likely. Although Mary did attend Albert's wedding 6 months after having the twins. So perhaps if Charlene has a good recovery, we may see her. I highly doubt we'll see any of the Casiraghi's. At best, Caroline may attend.

I do hope someone from the Dutch, Belgian, & Spanish families will attend, but I worry since they didn't attend Madeleine's, that they won't attend CPs.

It's such a long wait to find out!

 

[princess carmen]

I think it will be Caroline or Albert and Charlene either together or separate.

Pronovias has a few gowns that I think Sofia would look lovely in. Carolina Herrera also makes beautiful gowns. That is if she doesn't go with a Swedish designer.

 

[scooter]

I think it's highly likely that Edward & Sophie will skip Trooping to attend the wedding (though what I wouldn't give to see Will & Kate at the wedding, but alas).

Really? Given Philip's very advanced age and last year's health issues (who knows what that mysterious abdominal surgery was) is extremely unlikely any of his children will be foregoing major occasions. Who knows how long the DoE has. Also, as Catherine will have had her baby less than two months earlier, I think the idea that they will appear at this wedding is extremely unlikely. They are not exactly close. As I recall, W and K totally snubbed them in London.

Pronovias has a few gowns that I think Sofia would look lovely in. Carolina Herrera also makes beautiful gowns. That is if she doesn't go with a Swedish designer.

It wouldnt surprise me at all if she showed up in Silvia's wedding gown!

 

[JR76]

As I recall, W and K totally snubbed them in London

William and Harry "snubbed" CP and Daniel at the London Olympics if by snubbed you mean didn't say hello. Then again as far as I know they've never met before so that's nothing strange in that. When E & S saw CP & D on the other hand all four of them where visibly very happy too see each other.
But maybe we're talking about two different occasions?
Besides if E & S aren't personally invited by CP whoever the Queen says should go will go.


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[Roslyn]

Charles and his siblings are fourth cousins to Victoria and her siblings. Queen Victoria was great-great-great grandmother to each of them. Andrew is second child in their generation and thus the equivalent of Carl Philip, so my money's on Andrew, or perhaps Edward & Sophie, attending.

 

[princess carmen]

I am sure she will not be wearing Sylvia's wedding gown that would be ridiculous.

They all have schedules and jobs to do. The Duke is the first one I believe who would expect them to get on with their events. He does not seem like the kind of man who would want or need his family under him all the time just because he is old and could pass away. Which he will do regardless where they are.

 

[MARG]

. . . . . It wouldn't surprise me at all if she showed up in Silvia's wedding gown!

Now that would be really inappropriate. It is a wedding gown designed for a Queen and it is not a style that has aged well.

That being said, a quick browse through Silvia's Nobel Collection gives more than enough ideas to work on. But, for the tiara, I would so love to see Sofia wearing the Connaught Tiara. I used to loathe it, with it's greatest nadir being Madeleine at Victoria's wedding. It really looked tacky on top of a really bad highlight job that left Madeleine sporting blond and caramel striped hair!

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But looking back at Silvia wearing the Connaught I realised it really does look fabulous nestled atop a stunning up-do of dark brown hair. Because of it's fairytale look I think to looks best on young women.

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As to the British contingent, wouldn't it be a hoot if Sophie dragged Harry along as her +1. It could extend relationships into the next generation.

As a plus, maybe he would meet some sweet, adorable woman who has steel in her spine and is not from his "in" circle.

Ah dreams . . .

 

[Jacknch]

Now that would be really inappropriate. It is a wedding gown designed for a Queen and it is not a style that has aged well.

That being said, a quick browse through Silvia's Nobel Collection gives more than enough ideas to work on. But, for the tiara, I would so love to see Sofia wearing the Connaught Tiara. I used to loathe it, with it's greatest nadir being Madeleine at Victoria's wedding. It really looked tacky on top of a really bad highlight job that left Madeleine sporting blond and caramel striped hair!

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/21/93/34/219334aea5c4c3785ec2245958f5148a.jpg

But looking back at Silvia wearing the Connaught I realised it really does look fabulous nestled atop a stunning up-do of dark brown hair. Because of it's fairytale look I think to looks best on young women.

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt214/Gabbycrts/577892_459899794068174_1762254401_n-1.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/...wKezd_ZP2zE1vCwNvyUI-eqH0rMmFFmCVxJKO0TuYLc7g

As to the British contingent, wouldn't it be a hoot if Sophie dragged Harry along as her +1. It could extend relationships into the next generation.

As a plus, maybe he would meet some sweet, adorable woman who has steel in her spine and is not from his "in" circle.

Ah dreams . . .

I have a vision of Sofia choosing something just as plain and simple as Silvia's dress with a diamond tiara, something that might symbolically draw a line under the more racy moments of her life.

It would indeed be good if Harry could attend an overseas royal wedding, he loves a party! More importantly, it is exactly at these sorts of events that rarely come around where one tends to meet people one otherwise would not meet in ones usual social circles. I used to imagine that I would meet my life partner at a wedding purely by chance at the point in the reception where I would normally be stuffing slices of wedding cake into my suit pockets and someone else was doing exactly the same thing and our eyes would meet.....

 

[princess carmen]

I think Sophie and Edward are the most sociable next to Charles and Camilla , the others don't seem interested in attending weddings outside of those of close friends and family. I don't think this wedding will change that. As for Sofias gown I hope she goes for simple and elegant not a lot of lace or beading.

 

[scooter]

William and Harry "snubbed" CP and Daniel at the London Olympics if by snubbed you mean didn't say hello. Then again as far as I know they've never met before so that's nothing strange in that. When E & S saw CP & D on the other hand all four of them where visibly very happy too see each other.
But maybe we're talking about two different occasions?
Besides if E & S aren't personally invited by CP whoever the Queen says should go will go.


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They might not have met before,but W certainly knew who they were.

 

[muriel]

They might not have met before,but W certainly knew who they were.

Why would W know who they are?

 

[miss whirley]

Why would W know who they are?

Precisely, neither William or Harry seem like avid readers of Regal Majesty magazine or Hello!. I doubt they could even name all of their fellow european counterparts.

I do admit I was amused at the Olympics when William gave them a blank face stare like he was scanning his memories for who they could be. Harry's death glare towards them was even funnier.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

Why would W know who they are?

Even though the BRF don't seem to socialise with the European Royals as much as they (the European Royals) do with themselves, I would've thought that William and Harry would at least have some idea of Carl Philip and Daniel were, as in they're someone important rather than 'normal' spectators at the Olympic Games. The reason why I think this is because fairly recently, Harry was pictured with Frederik of Denmark at the Invictus Games, and given the fact that Frederik is Scandinavian and all the Scandinavian Royals are rather close, Harry would have some idea of who the other Scandinavian Royals are. But, perhaps that's just my wishful thinking and I do sort of agree that the with the fact that William and Harry are unaware of most of the European Royals is quite likely. Most people in Britain today are only aware of 'our' RF and don't even realise that Scandinavia has monarchies. (In fact, Joe from down the street is probably only aware of the 'major' members of the BRF, and doesn't know of some of the more 'minor' members such as the Wessexes or Princess Alexandra.)

Personally, I hope that Edward and Sophie will attend Carl Philip and Sofia's wedding as they usually get invited to foreign royal weddings, as other members here have pointed out. However, I'm starting to doubt that they will go given the fact that Edward is involved with Trooping the Colour and also that the wedding will now take place on that day. If so, I have a feeling that we won't see a representation from the BRF, but I hope I'm proved wrong.

 

[scooter]

Precisely, neither William or Harry seem like avid readers of Regal Majesty magazine or Hello!. I doubt they could even name all of their fellow european counterparts.

I do admit I was amused at the Olympics when William gave them a blank face stare like he was scanning his memories for who they could be. Harry's death glare towards them was even funnier.

I think that European royals know what each other look like and an awareness of the incoming royal visiting the olympics in their home country

 

[miss whirley]

I think that European royals know what each other look like and an awareness of the incoming royal visiting the olympics in their home country

Other European Royals absolutely know what each other looks like. But the BRF is a different breed.
Either by circumstance or design, most of the British Royals have been sequestered from other Royal Houses. Beatrice snubbed the Thai princess because she didn't know who she was! William and Harry don't strike me as the type that care all that much either. Royal watching isn't their hobby. Other Royal Houses probally aren't on their top 1000 list of concerns. Dollars to doughnuts they don't know who Carl-Philip is, let alone Sofia!

 

[Roslyn]

Other European Royals absolutely know what each other looks like. But the BRF is a different breed.
Either by circumstance or design, most of the British Royals have been sequestered from other Royal Houses. Beatrice snubbed the Thai princess because she didn't know who she was! William and Harry don't strike me as the type that care all that much either. Royal watching isn't their hobby. Other Royal Houses probally aren't on their top 1000 list of concerns. Dollars to doughnuts they don't know who Carl-Philip is, let alone Sofia!

I sincerely hope that William and Harry know the names of, and would recognise, the European Royals that are their cousins. Yes, some of them are fourth and fifth cousins, but I expect them to at least be aware of those who are descendants of Queen Victoria. I would hope they would be at least as interested in the history of their extended family as I am. I am sure Charles would know.

 

[Archduchess Zelia]

I would cut them slack if they didn't know who CP is – he is, after all, only a little brother of a future monarch and not that important anymore per se – but I would be very surprised if they didn't know who Victoria and Daniel are. Royal watching may not be their hobby, but William in particular is the future monarch of the UK and he should know who his future European colleagues are.

That they're not friends or acquaintances, even, is an entirely different matter. Why would they be? William and Harry have never spent as much time with other European royals as Edward and Sophie have.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Precisely, neither William or Harry seem like avid readers of Regal Majesty magazine or Hello!. I doubt they could even name all of their fellow european counterparts.

I do admit I was amused at the Olympics when William gave them a blank face stare like he was scanning his memories for who they could be. Harry's death glare towards them was even funnier.

Considering that they were Royals from the HOST country, I didn't find it a bit funny. I thought it was beyond tacky.

Similar boorish behavior probably would never have occurred among their more sophisticated peers on the Continent, or even from Prince Charles at their age.

I was embarrassed for William and Harry.

And no...I don't agree at all that the BRF are a "different breed". They are members of a Royal house in a country with a monarch whose role is largely ceremonial, and they hold their exalted positions at the will of the people...just like Sweden, Denmark, Spain, Belgium and all the rest of them. (except Monaco and Lichtenstein)

 

[Dman]

The younger British royals know about their royal European counterparts but they don't mix with them. In Queen Victoria's day, the royal families used to get together all of the time. They would vacation together and celebrate milestones together as well. The younger royals of today wasn't brought up to associate with their royal counterparts. It was a miracle and surprise to even see William & Catherine team up with Frederik & Mary for UNICEF. I think they should get to know the other royals.

 

[Ish]

Considering that they were Royals from the host country, I didn't find it a bit funny. I thought it was beyond tacky.

Similar boorish behavior probably would never have occurred among their more sophisticated peers on the Continent, or even from Prince Charles at their age.

I was embarrassed for William and Harry.

And no...I don't agree at all that the BRF are a "different breed". They are members of a Royal house in a country with a monarch whose role is largely ceremonial, and they hold their exalted positions at the will of the people...just like Sweden, Denmark, Spain, Belgium and all the rest of them. (except Monaco and Lichtenstein)

in a lot of ways the BRF are a different breed. They might be in a similar political situation as their continental equals, but they're still different.

They're of a different age. The Queen is older than most of the other monarchs, who are of a more comparable age to Charles. The other heirs are either closer in age to William or younger than him, and the other heirs to the heirs are considerably younger than William.

They also don't interact in the same way. You see the continental royals interacting with each other in a friendly manner, but you rarely see the younger members of the BRF do the same.

I think what William needs in the future is to develop more of a relationship with the heirs his age - he might be lower than them now, but it's likely he'll be king at the same time as they're reigning.