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Old 08-24-2007, 11:39 AM
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I would think he will share both (assuming he gets this one). After all, there is not much of a contradiction, as sugar/food & beverages are related.
I am not really sure of his age, but he must be around 70. I will check that out for you...

About Kirchner's fobia to ex-Videla's circle ... well, I was surprised as well. But he stood up Beatrix, why wouldn't he contradict himself as well ? His attitudes are often nonsense and shameless IMHO.

What you must know, is that this chamber has a great deal of influence in the prices of what it's called 'la canasta básica' (let's say, the minimun - basic things a family needs to feed its members), and inflation is a hot subject here for the government...
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:51 AM
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I would think he will share both (assuming he gets this one). After all, there is not much of a contradiction, as sugar/food & beverages are related.
I am not really sure of his age, but he must be around 70. I will check that out for you...

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Jorge is 79 years old (b. 18 January 1928)
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Old 08-29-2007, 10:04 AM
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A documentary called "M" is going to make its debut in a few days. This documentary was directed by Nicolás Prividera, whose mother dissappeared in 1976, during the military regime in Argentina.

Prividiera himself started a lawsuit against Mr. Zorreguieta for this, as this woman worked at INTA (Instituto Nacional de Tecnología Agropecuaria, or 'National Agro-Technology Institute'), which was under the jurisdiction of his Secretary.

As said in the article, this lawsuit also origined an investigation in the Netherlands, by Michiel Baud. This research was also very detailed about the INTA's matters.

El rompecabezas de la memoria | LANACION.com

In the article, Prividiera says that even though there was a certain public and journalistic interest for the Zorreguieta issue at first, he knew that there was something beyond his own persona, wasn't particularly about him as a personal approach, but he was just more interesting to them because his daughter was the princess of the Netherlands.He adds that it is not about an personal issue against an individual in particular, but about making an insightin the social aspects, the civil responsibility in more abstract and wider terms. ("Aún cuando en un primer momento de la presentación hubo un cierto interés periodístico y público por el tema Zorreguieta, sabía que detrás de ese personaje había más, que no se trataba particularmente de él en términos personales, sólo que era el que más interesaba, porque su hija era la princesa de Holanda. No se trata de una cuestión personal contra alguien en particular, sino hacer una reflexión sobre lo social, la responsabilidad civil en términos mucho más difusos, más amplios.")

pd. This is merely news in which Jorge Zorreguieta is involved / mentioned ...please let's not start a debate again about his responsibility or lack thereof! Thanks
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Old 08-29-2007, 01:31 PM
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Thanks for posting that, Verde. I wonder if this documentairy will be aired here, I assume that as soon as some left television station will here about it they will by it (it is interesting on its own but the connection to Jorge Z. will assure acceptable ratings here).

Will Jorge Zorreguieta feature in the documentairy?
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Old 08-29-2007, 03:29 PM
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Well, the documentaire is going to make its debut in cinemas here... I will try to catch it at the movies and the tell you about it. As I haven't seen it yet, I can't tell whether Zorreguieta is mentioned or even part of it, but I don't think he'd accept being directly featured ... probably some old video footage will be included....but so far, based on what I've read, it is the author's own investigation through pictures, old videos, letters, and interviews with people that were related to his mother.
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Old 08-30-2007, 11:22 AM
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Zorreguieta was confirmed as the next president of the COPAL, as there are no other runner-ups for this position. It was decided yesterday night among the members, though no official statement has been made so far.

*Padre de la princesa Máxima conducirá la COPAL - Infobae.com*

'La designación ya consensuada sorprende al mundillo empresario, ya que surgieron enseguida dudas sobre la relación que mantendrá con el gobierno de Néstor Kirchner, que rechaza a personajes que integraron los gobiernos de facto entre 1976 y 1983.'

As Marengo asked previously, it seems that both surprise & doubt exist in the local business world over his designation and his future relationship with the current government, due to the fact that President Kirchner rejects former military regime members.
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Old 08-31-2007, 12:08 PM
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This week's Veintitrés magazine has Mr. Jorge Zorreguieta in the upper part of the cover, and also features a 4-page article on him inside.

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(the cover is not yet updated in the site, maybe during the day)

The title in the cover is "Máxima impunidad para Zorreguieta - El padre de la princesa de Holanda, responsable de desapariciones, será jefe de la cámara empresaria más poderosa de la Argentina" ('Maximum impunity for Zorreguieta' - The father of the princess of the Netherlands, responsible for dissapearances, will be the head of the most powerful business chamber of Argentina')

Veintitrés is very critical towards Zorreguieta's (which is understandable, since it has a strong left-wing tendency) new position at the COPAL. 2 or 3 photo's of him and the princely couple are included.
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Old 08-31-2007, 12:18 PM
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Some of the most interesting highlights:

- An executive of the COPAL says 'we had to give the chamber some oxygen (...)He's a 80 year old man, we only want him for two years'

- Zorreguieta especially asked for his formal assumption of the position at the COPAL to be delayed, since he had royal engagements (Ariane's baptism, October 20th)

- He is now in Europe, until September 4th. That's why, according to the magazine, they couldn't get in touch with him (I doubt whether he would have talked to them anyway)

- The members of the COPAL, when they knew about the debut of the film [the documentaire M], revealed some annoyance. An interview to the director of the film is included in the extensive article, which title is 'he was aware of the extermination plans'
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Old 08-31-2007, 02:48 PM
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So he will attend the celebration at Het Loo as well. i wonder if he will be included on the grouppicture. I believe for the past baptisms for example, the RF never released a picture with the Zorreguita´s.

What were the members of COPAL annoyed with? The documentairy/reporter of Zorreguietta´s role during the dictatorship?
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Old 08-31-2007, 05:20 PM
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So he will attend the celebration at Het Loo as well. i wonder if he will be included on the grouppicture. I believe for the past baptisms for example, the RF never released a picture with the Zorreguita´s.

What were the members of COPAL annoyed with? The documentairy/reporter of Zorreguietta´s role during the dictatorship?
Well, it is not precisely said that he is there because of WA's party, but I guess it's pretty obvious.

About the COPAL members' annoyance...mostly the unwanted bad press that this documentaire brings up again on Zorreguieta ... "right now", when he is about to become their president...
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Old 09-02-2007, 06:46 PM
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So he will attend the celebration at Het Loo as well. i wonder if he will be included on the grouppicture. I believe for the past baptisms for example, the RF never released a picture with the Zorreguita´s.
Well, according to what we've witnessed yesterday, this time they did! And in a very central position, right behind the princely couple!
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I was surprised by that too, this is the first time they were on official pictures I believe. A pity that non of the other siblings of Maxima came though. I wonder how the relations with her half sisters are. As they werent raised together I assume they aren´t all that close.
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Old 09-03-2007, 05:02 PM
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Indeed, only Martín had been included in an official group picture before (at the wedding)...

I do remember seeing pictures of the Zorreguietas and the Queen in baptisms and when the other girls were born, but never in a group picture, during an official engagement like this...

The funny thing is: all the fuss about Jorge Z. not being welcome in the Netherlands, the wedding, etc etc and now...right there in the picture...btw, wasn't he supposed not to be 'admitted' in 'official engagements of the royal family', but only in private ones? I understood sth like that in 2002.
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Old 09-03-2007, 05:17 PM
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Well, the RF considers this a private one, as are the baptisms. They are just gracious enough to let the journalists have a few moments with their camera´s.

I don´t think however that Jorge will be welcome at a possible future enthronement though even that could be possible. Itw as made very clear by the PM of those days that Jorge´s absense was only for that day and that he wasnt a persona-non-grate in the Netherlands.

I believe Juan and Inez were also in the grouppicture of the wedding and Juan is also on offical baptism picture of Alexia.
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I don´t think however that Jorge will be welcome at a possible future enthronement though even that could be possible. Itw as made very clear by the PM of those days that Jorge´s absense was only for that day and that he wasnt a persona-non-grate in the Netherlands.

I believe Juan and Inez were also in the grouppicture of the wedding and Juan is also on offical baptism picture of Alexia.
Yeah well, I believe that also denying Máxima the possibility of having her father there when she becomes Queen Consort, after being banned from her wedding with a Heir to the Throne.... would be too much to take I guess!

And yes, Juan and Inez were at the group picture in the wedding as well.
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Old 09-06-2007, 03:09 PM
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A pity that non of the other siblings of Maxima came though. I wonder how the relations with her half sisters are. As they werent raised together I assume they aren´t all that close.
I found this interview to Dolores Zorreguieta, half - sister of Máxima (daughter of Mr. Zorreguieta and Martha López Gil, his first wife), from 2002:

Historia de mujeres - Para Ti Online

Translation of its main paragraphs:

About Jorge Zorreguieta: As she doesn't mention him, the reporter asks about her relationship with her father (divorced from her mother when she was 8 years old). She replies: "How is my relationship with him? I prefer not to make any comments on it" (“¿Cómo es mi relación con él? De eso prefiero no hacer ningún comentario,”)

About Máxima:

'Máxima always liked art. Of course she's got paintings of mine in her palace in Holland. I gave her some of them as a present, and others that she bought. She helped me a lot while I was beginning. Before turning into a princess she was my maecenas [ patron, sponsor ], and bought many of my art pieces" ("A Máxima siempre le gustó el arte. Por supuesto que tiene cuadros míos en su palacio de Holanda. Algunos que se los regalé yo, y otros que me compró. Ella me ayudó mucho en mis comienzos. Antes de que se convirtiera en princesa fue mi mecenas, y compró varias de mis obras…”)

"-Are you bothered by the association to Máxima?
-It is understandable for all the world of fantasy that she generates, and I must accept it. But they also have to understand that one is not prepared for this. Her wedding had a worldwide impact, that has a great influence in me, and it wasn't my decision. Everything implied a big readjustment in my life."

("–¿Te molesta que te asocien con Máxima?
–Es comprensible por el mundo de fantasía que Máxima genera, y tengo que aceptarlo. Pero también tienen que entender que uno no se prepara para esto. Su casamiento tuvo una resonancia enorme en el mundo entero, que influye mucho en mí, y que no se dio por una decisión mía. Todo esto implicó un reajuste bastante grande en mi vida.")

'Beforehand, I used to carry exhibitions, there was press coverage and everything was purely because of my art. However now I am exposed to a deal of interests that have nothing to do with the artistic value of what I do. That's a burden I shall carry for life' (“Antes yo hacía muestras, salían notas en los diarios y todo tenía que ver, pura y exclusivamente, con mis obras. En cambio ahora estoy expuesta a una serie de intereses que no pasan por el valor artístico de lo que hago. Eso es una carga que lamentablemente llevaré de por vida.”)

It is also said that she suffered from press harassment when the relationship of Máxima and the Prince was discovered, since she lives in NY.
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In yesterday's edition of Página 12 (left-wing newspaper) it is published that, through an initiative from the Congress, several 'privilieged retirements' (high retirements paid to ex-members of the government, or the military) could be cancelled. Among them, Jorge Zorreguieta's.

Página/12 Web :: El país :: Para acabar con los privilegios

According to this newspaper, he earns $4420 per month (equivalent to €1000). For European posters, this can seem low, but believe me when I say it's a HIGH income for a retired person (and a more than decent salary for a normal working person)
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Maxima's brother Juan must be 24 right now. does anyone know what he's doing? where does he live? thanks!
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Maxima's brother Juan must be 24 right now. does anyone know what he's doing? where does he live? thanks!
I have absolutely no idea. Juan doesn't get too much of a press coverage these days (neither does Ines). Only Martín Zorreguieta, I would say, is quite often featured in magazines.

I guess Juan lives in BA... though I haven't seen him round the family residence.
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Juan lives in Buenos Aires and is an engineer(has studied at the same University as Máxima, the Catholic Univ. of Argentina -U.C.A-)
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