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The secretary is also the Hofdame, so one bed is enough for her.
I don't know who else she would travel with.
Is Crown Princess Mary's Hofdame really also her secretary? I think that is an undesirable mix of two total different functions. Either you are a professional, experienced and high-skilled international secretary managing the agenda and the document flow of the Crown Princess or you are a Hofdame.

When I look at the particulier secretaris of Queen Máxima, Ms Gabriella Sancisi: she graduated at Bologna University (Italian language and literature) and at Leyden University (European Law), worked for an über-posh lawyers' firm and was deputy-Ambassador in Croatia and particulier secretaris of the Dutch Foreign Secretary before she accepted the well paid (around 11.123 Euro per month standard wage, plus 8% vacation payment, an End-of-Year bonus and a lease-car for free) position as particulier secretaris of Queen Máxima.

Hofdames of Queen Máxima are not paid. A world of difference! That is also why there is no "employer-employee" relationship between the Queen and her Hofdames. There is such a relationship between the Queen and her Secretary and other professionals, of course. The functional costs made by Queen Máxima's five Hofdames are reimbursed by the King. They receive housing, staffing, transport, etc. It is a honorary function and that is already why I am wondering about a Hofdame of Mary being her secretary as well. For me a secretary is in a professional employer-employee relationship and that goes beyond the traditonal role of a Hofdame / Lady-in-Waiting which is to be "Companion to the Queen".
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Is Crown Princess Mary's Hofdame really also her secretary?
You could have checked if you don't believe me
"Privatsekretær, hofdame Christine Pii Hansen"
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So was Tanja Doky and Caroline Heering. Seems to work for the Danes.
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I have the idea the principal position of Christine Hansen is that of a paid private secretary (employer-employee relationship) but she has been given the rank of a Hofdame, which also gives her access to -for an example- State Banquets.

In the Dutch situation the particulier secretaris is the head of the secretariate of the Queen. For an example, Ottoline-Antoinette ("Lieke") Gaarlandt van Voorst van Beesd, one of Máxima's Hofdames, is already 68 years old and beyond age of retirement. This already shows that there is no professional relationship between Queen and Hofdame.

I must say I prefer the strict separation of the functional Household (the paid professionals) and the Honorary Household (the Hofdames) in the Netherlands. That is more how someone expects a Royal Court to be. While Queen Máxima has chosen 5 hofdames as her official companions, Crown Princess Mary also is the employer to her Hofdame. I think that is not the same. When you are not paid and belong to the intimi of the Queen, then you can be more frank and critical and advise better than when the same person is also the one who pays your monthly wage...
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Mary at other discussions
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I have no idea. Villa De Eikenhorst of course has room for guests, but when Crown Princess Mary travels with a Hofdame, a secretary and others, maybe guests appartments at Noordeinde Palace in The Hague have been prepared. These appartments have an office etc. so that the Crown Princess can receive her own guests, for an example. Here you see Noordeinde Palace from the rear (picture), much, much more spacious than when you stand in front of it (picture). Plenty of room for guests. This (old) picture shows is an example of such an appartment at Noordeinde Palace: a bedroom with adjacent a salon and of course a bathroom.

Where do visiting Heads of State normally stay in state visits to the Netherlands ? In Belgium, guest rooms at the Royal Palace of Brussels are normally used, but I don't know about the Netherlandss.
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There are apartments, suites and guestrooms at the Royal Palace Amsterdam. The grandest guest appartments look like this: bedroom with adjacent room. Here another similar appartment in the same palace.

There is a guest wing too at Huis ten Bosch Palace but this is under restoration. As this is a private residence, only private guests of the King will stay there.

Noordeinde Palace has a guest wing too. There is even a "secret garden" as this is only visible from the palace itself. It used to be the King's Wing but as Noordeinde is not in use as private residence, guest appartments have been created. Here is a bathroom. This is the guest wing there. This is also the guest wing. A bathroom of one of the guest suites. One of the guest suites. One of the guest bedrooms. A bedroom for the guest's staff. Another staff bedroom in the guest wing. Sadly we have to do it with pictures made more than 30 years ago. It would be nice to see the renovated guest suites in present state.
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Wow. Duc et Pair. Thank u for the pictures!!!!
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Duc_et_Pair, thanks for all your pictures to show us the guest rooms in noordeinde - so rare!


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Hofdames of Queen Máxima are not paid. A world of difference! That is also why there is no "employer-employee" relationship between the Queen and her Hofdames. There is such a relationship between the Queen and her Secretary and other professionals, of course. The functional costs made by Queen Máxima's five Hofdames are reimbursed by the King. They receive housing, staffing, transport, etc. It is a honorary function and that is already why I am wondering about a Hofdame of Mary being her secretary as well. For me a secretary is in a professional employer-employee relationship and that goes beyond the traditonal role of a Hofdame / Lady-in-Waiting which is to be "Companion to the Queen".
i believe mary's secretary is officially caroline heering (who used to be her hofdame... i know, kind of confusing), and her official hofdame is now christine, having replaced tanya. and it seems to me that caroline rarely travels now outside of denmark with mary these days, and that role is fulfilled by christine now / tanya in the past.
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i believe mary's secretary is officially caroline heering (who used to be her hofdame... i know, kind of confusing), and her official hofdame is now christine, having replaced tanya. and it seems to me that caroline rarely travels now outside of denmark with mary these days, and that role is fulfilled by christine now / tanya in the past.
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"Lady-in-Waiting, Private Assistant to HRH The Crown Princess
Christine Pii Hansen"

Caroline Heering hasn't worked as secretary/LIW for years. She is still board member at Mary Fonden.
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The Daily Mail seems to be getting a bit too enthousiastic. Neither WA nor Maxima are godparents to one on Frederik and Mary's children, while they seem to have so many other royal godparents. Likewise, neither Frederik nor Mary were asked for A3. I am sure that they are on friendly terms, but 'BFF' is not a logical deduction.

As for where the princess is staying: the Eikenhorst should have one or two guestrooms indeed. Huis ten Bosch has two annexes. I believe one annex is used for guests while one was where prince Claus and later his son Friso were nursed. I am not sure what state they are in now though. Noordeinde palace: I am not sure if they keep that one open at night; even in Q. Wilhelmina's days this was a struggle as she used to have the kitchens closed when prince Hendrik was staying there alone, forcing him to dine out (not a good idea ).

The Danish embassy on the Koninginnegracht is another option. But what I find most likely is that they put all the hotshots of the conference in one hotel. That is usually how it is done with conferences.

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That is also why there is no "employer-employee" relationship between the Queen and her Hofdames.
I am not sure that is completely true any longer. In Juliana's days it was indeed. Even in the 80-ties she would ring up her hofdames for company or when she felt like playing a game of cards in the middle of the night (they always came ). Under Beatrix -unsurprisingly- it became more professional and Mienthe Boelaard-Stheeman described it as a working relationship to journalist Jutta Chorus. But indeed they still do not get any pay, just a reimbursement for the costs.
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While at the conference Mary met the former Miss World, Linor Abergil, who was raped shortly before winning her title. Since then she had campaigned hard against violence against women.
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The Daily Mail seems to be getting a bit too enthousiastic. Neither WA nor Maxima are godparents to one on Frederik and Mary's children, while they seem to have so many other royal godparents. Likewise, neither Frederik nor Mary were asked for A3. I am sure that they are on friendly terms, but 'BFF' is not a logical deduction.
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Daily Mail logical...? The DM writes many silly things that doesn't need to be taken seriously.
These two couples have always seemed to get along well. The twins are almost 5 and the three Dutch girls are older (?). There's always the possibility, that F&M and WA&M have become closer after the last kids were born. The photos from the past years certainly show a warm relationship.
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Crown Princess Mary visited the International Criminal Court in Den Haag today, November 5, and attended the World Conference of Women's Shelters again


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Crown Princess Mary also visited the International Criminal Court today:
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Afterwards Mary again arrived to the conference:
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Mary today held one of the key note speech:
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Mary visited the crisis center together with the Mary Foundation:
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Busy days for Mary.
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and very interesting about Linor Abargiland "Brave Miss world"

Her speech
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very great work by Mary and her foundation
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Mary holding the keynote speech:

"I find it perplexing that men are often erased from the conversation when we talk about violence against women. Men need to more actively take part in the discussion. Not as part of the problem, but as a part of the solution. This must be a joint agenda. The majority of men are not violent – we need that majority to challenge the minority, who are violent."

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Crown Princess Mary delivers speech at the Third World Conference Of Womens Shelters:

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Mary must be back home in Denmark again as she has an event again already tomorrow morning in Copenhagen. Frederik must be back home in Denmark again now after his working visit in South Africa. I guess F&M with likely jetlags, tired feets and busy days will be very pleased to see their bed tonight.

TV2 News tonight covered Mary's and The Mary Foundation's work at the conference,
and TV2 News also interviewed Mary afterwards:

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A good one (but I haven't time to translate it, it's time for bed now...)
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