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I understand what you are saying Henri M. However I was simply replying to a previous post, which you will see if you will go back and read.
I understand the reasons why the Dutch Parliament made the 2002 Law regarding this matter, but IMO, the whole notion of a "Princess Consort" is ridiculous! Hence, I believe Máxima should become Queen Máxima of the Netherlands upon her husband's succession to the throne (I also believe the Duchess of Cornwall should be Queen Camilla when Charles inherits, but that's OT ) IMO, the wife of the King should be titled Queen XX of Blah, regardless of past/future Sovereign Queens.
Does Maxima deserve to have the same title as her mother-in-law who actually does all the serious work of a monarch?
I wonder the same
But there is no consequence in that, with all respect.
We agree that the succession is now made equal for male and female successors, despite the centuries long tradition of male succession.
We agree that the style for female heiresses will be 'The Princess of Orange', despite the centuries long tradition of exclusive use for the eldest surviving son of the King or for the Stadtholder himself.
We agree that now to male and female royals the same honours will be given (equal gunsalute, equal drumrolls, equal escorte) despite the centuries long tradition that to male royals more honours were given while female royals had to accept a minor position.
We agree that no longer in the préséance at the court elder daughters are ranked lower than their younger brothers, despite the centuries long tradition.
But suddenly do not agree that the style for male and female consorts to the King and the Heir is made equal??? And here 'tradition' is used as an argument where it is waved away in the other examples?
But IMO, the spouse of the Soverign - be it male or female - should have the highest possible title they are entitled too, hence the wife of a King = Queen ..., the husband of a Queen = Prince ..., because they are the highest title available to them. I hope that made sense!
As far as my knowledge goes the wife of a King is always a Queen (here in Spain anyway)
So once Willem-Alexander takes the thrown she can be styled as Queen Maxima?
I am all for the equality of the genders and I think I have come up with a solution:
His Majesty the King and Her Majesty the Princess Consort
Her Majesty the Queen and His Majesty the Prince Consort
That way they still have gender equality in the titles but the spouse will have a higher style (Majesty) than other Prince and Princesses of the realm. Also, I think an abdicated soveriegn should be called Majesty as well even with a Prince/Princess title...
Would you know, whether this would affect any ranking among other Queen consorts? Would she officially be ranked lower as a Princess of the Netherlands than as the Queen Consort of the Netherlands?
I am all for the equality of the genders and I think I have come up with a solution:
His Majesty the King and Her Majesty the Princess Consort
Her Majesty the Queen and His Majesty the Prince Consort
That way they still have gender equality in the titles but the spouse will have a higher style (Majesty) than other Prince and Princesses of the realm. Also, I think an abdicated soveriegn should be called Majesty as well even with a Prince/Princess title...
I think Maxima should get HM Queen Maxima of the Netherlands, when Willem-Alexander gets King of the Netherlands.
I think Maxima should get HM Queen Maxima of the Netherlands, when Willem-Alexander gets King of the Netherlands.
Lalla Salma even has no title at all.
Isn't she a Princess with the style of Royal Highness?
I have a feeling that this is one of those cases where something is lost in translation. I would be willing to bet that Lalla is simply one of those words whose meaning can not be accurately translated, and so we end up with a best possible translation.
Lalla does mean Princess,nothing else,that is all.It really does.Not a Lady nor a Donna,Princess.It is us westerners that are wrong in thinking Lalla is a first name,but in Lalla land it is a Princess.You just lost your bet...
(Btw,it is Lalla Salma's hubby's 44th birthday today)
So anyway, has there been any decision on this matter within the court or within the Netherlands? This just came up in the Camilla title thread, and I posted that I thought that Maxima would be titled Queen. Does anyone have any further news on the subject?
No decision has been taken,and the issue is simply not opportune.Máxima,no doubt in my mind,as well as many others,will be styled HM Queen Máxima once Alexander takes over.No one,really,no-one will oppose that.
Camilla,same story but I refrain from posting on that thread.She's entitled to be known as HM Queen Camilla.The brits better get used to it,and leave the false emotions where they belong,in the dustbin.Al that "what if " bruhaha is really a lot of noice about absolutely nothing by a handfull on the forum that do not matter in that decision at all.Sorry..