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Old 12-13-2005, 09:27 AM
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She didn´t need to say I´m not argentinian I´m a dutch princess and Argentina is maybe somewhere in my heart!!!!
she didn´t say I will always have it in heart!
I never heard or read Mary saying that or Sofia or María Teresa or Silvia or any of them, It sounded like a rejection to me, and believe me cause I heard her speaking in her mother toungue.
for crying out loud! She IS dutch!!! She has the dutch nationality since May 2001 and had to give up the argentinian one. She furthermore said NOTHING insulting, on the contrairy, she made a charming reply that Argentina is always in her heart! What else should she have said to satisfy you?
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:29 AM
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Technically she is STILL an Argentine. The Argentine government does not allow its people to give up their citizenship. Having said that, I completely agree that she was visiting in her capacity as a Dutch princess. As a dual citizen myself, there is no doubt in my mind that she will forever love her homeland.
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Old 12-13-2005, 01:51 PM
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for crying out loud! She IS dutch!!! She has the dutch nationality since May 2001 and had to give up the argentinian one. She furthermore said NOTHING insulting, on the contrairy, she made a charming reply that Argentina is always in her heart! What else should she have said to satisfy you?
Yes, and still Argentinian too, because what Gisela says is true. Argentinian citizens aren't allowed to give up their nationality. :)
But next to that I think it is very wise of her to give a diplomatic answer to questions which can lead her to political statements which she'd better not utter. In those cases she has to be a Dutch princess, how much she maybe would love to speak her heart. That has nothing to do with her still feeling Argentinian or not...
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:57 AM
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Thanks for correcting me, I assumed that a crownprincess of the Netherlands can only have the dutch nationality. To have any other nationality seems a bit strange to me actually, as she is supposed to represent the dutch since her marriage.

I still stick to the conclusion that I find the critisism to her most charming reply very strange and overdone.
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Old 12-14-2005, 06:51 AM
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In my way of looking at this she is argentine she was born there and her parents are . Because she married in to royalty it doesn't change what she was born as. She will always be argentine and her children are half argentenian It is in their blood.
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:41 PM
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She didn´t need to say I´m not argentinian I´m a dutch princess and Argentina is maybe somewhere in my heart!!!!
she didn´t say I will always have it in heart!
I never heard or read Mary saying that or Sofia or María Teresa or Silvia or any of them, It sounded like a rejection to me, and believe me cause I heard her speaking in her mother toungue.
Ardilla, have you seen the interview on TV? I have, and she never said "I am not Argentine". The question was: "As an Argentine, what is your opinion......". She let the journalist finish and told him: "I am Dutch. I am a Dutch Princess that was born in Argentina". Have she said "I am not Argentine" would have been considered rude here, eventhough she is now the princess of a foreign country, wherther we like it or not. And she did say she has Argentina in her heart.

I have nerver listen to Queen Silvia speaking regarding her nationality, but I have never heard Grand Duchess Maria Teresa saying "I am Cuban" or Queen Sofia "I am Greek" since they got married. However, it is undeniable the look of joy on their faces when they returned to their homelands.

No Watcher, the video is not avaible on the net. Since they did not get the comment they wanted, it is easy to allow people to wonder what she really said (the posts on the boards are a great example) and used it to attack her again instead of letting people listen what exactly she said.

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Technically she is STILL an Argentine. The Argentine government does not allow its people to give up their citizenship. Having said that, I completely agree that she was visiting in her capacity as a Dutch princess. As a dual citizen myself, there is no doubt in my mind that she will forever love her homeland.
Since when? I am sorry but our constitution, original and modified, does not say so. Being a person with a double citizenship myself, too, I do know we are granted that status due to the agreements reached during the 19/20th century on occassion of the huge waves of inmigrants towards our country. I do know people who have become a full citizen of a foreign country and personally, never learned that the government did anything to forbade them from doing so. For example, have you ever heard of someone who gets the American citizenship that got it due to a double citizenship status agreement?).

Furthermore, that would be against the Universal Human Rights Declaration, which our country also signed.

What was informed here (and please posters from The Netherlands do correct me if this is wrong), was that the Dutch government allowed her to get a double citizenship status, what if I am not mistaken, was a complete exception, since as far as I know there is no double citizenship agreement between Holland and Argentina. And here, in order to get the Spanish/Italian Citizenship your parents or your grandparents must have been Italian/Spanish. None of Maxima inmediate ancestors are Dutch.

I do recall watching her on the news, receiving her Dutch passport due to the fact she was not going to be allowed to marry unless she became a Dutch citizen, what she is now. She may have been granted the double citizenship status, but she is a member of the Dutch Royal Family, and no matter how much she loves Argentine, she represents The Netherlands not Argentina, eventhough we consider her as our best ambassador.
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Old 12-14-2005, 06:58 PM
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Máxima has double citizenship. half dutch/half argentinian
She couls have given the argentinian nationalty but she hasn't..so she tuely has Argentina in her heart
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Silvermj, it was implied by another poster that Maxima had renounced her citizenship. Personally, I know that there are some countries that will allow their citizens to renounce their nationalities, if they so choose. Canada is one of them.
My intention was to clarify that in the case of Argentina, such a request would never be met. I inquired about this when I obtained dual citizenship. Furthermore, I am fully aware that Argentina would never revoke someone's citizenship if the individual obtained citizenship from a signatory state.
Nevertheless, whether she's Dutch or Argentine, it is now irrelevant. She's an awesome lady.
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she is very pretty
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I think it doesn't really matter whether she's Dutch or Argentine but what matters is the fact that Maxima is doing great things in both countries, helping people and giving example...
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:39 AM
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This are some pics i took from an argentinian magazine i bought..the magazine is called CARAS and its very popular here

Máxima holds Alexia, while Willem-Alexander looks at them ^heart^


Nice pics of Amalia



Amalia with Marcela Cerutti on a horse

Máxima and W-A are still so in love

Marcela Cerutti, Martín Zorreguieta and Inés Zorreguieta

Inés talks with W-A.Máxima takes care of baby Alexia
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:50 AM
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Thank you so much, Maximafan!!!!!:)

Beautiful pictures!!!!!!! Catharina-Amalia is so cute!!!! :)
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Old 12-15-2005, 08:18 AM
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thank you so much, princess maxima !!!

i didn't realized the girl with black hair is Ines. wow, she changed a lot. i think Maxima is now the only one in her family with blonde hair.
btw, where is Juan? did he come or not?
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Old 12-15-2005, 08:30 AM
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Thanks princess Maxima! Isn't the woman in pink, holding CA and posing with Martin, Marcela Cerutti, godmother & aunt of Maxima?
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Old 12-15-2005, 08:44 AM
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Thanks princess Maxima! Isn't the woman in pink, holding CA and posing with Martin, Marcela Cerutti, godmother & aunt of Maxima?
Yes, that is Marcela Cerutti
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Old 12-15-2005, 08:47 AM
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Princess Maxima, those photos are great! Many thanks!
I especially like the one with Marcela and Amalia on the horse! They're really seeming to enjoy themselves!
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Glad you all like the pics
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Glad you all like the pics
they are wonderful. thanks! its great to have someone who actually lives in that country to share special photos.

isnt the internet great?
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thanks so much for the shots! the photos are just sweet. it's so nice to see w-a and maxima are still in love... :)
the internet is definetely great, pollyemma. :)
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Thank you so much for the pictures princess Máxima!
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