Princess Máxima's future title

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by fee

Would you know, whether this would affect any ranking among other Queen consorts? Would she officially be ranked lower as a Princess of the Netherlands than as the Queen Consort of the Netherlands?

She will be the consort of the King and is ranked as such. There is also no difference between the male and female consorts. Lalla Salma even has no title at all. But as consort to The King of Morocco she is on equal feet with Queen Sofía of Spain or Grand Duchess María Teresa of Luxembourg.

The rank of the consorts together is determined by the length of their spouses' Reigns. This means that Queen Sirikit of Thailand is the Doyenne of all spouses.

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by HRHofNothing

I am all for the equality of the genders and I think I have come up with a solution:

His Majesty the King and Her Majesty the Princess Consort
Her Majesty the Queen and His Majesty the Prince Consort

That way they still have gender equality in the titles but the spouse will have a higher style (Majesty) than other Prince and Princesses of the realm. Also, I think an abdicated soveriegn should be called Majesty as well even with a Prince/Princess title...

Her Majesty, Her Royal Highness, etc. are no titles. It is a predicate like His Excellency for an Ambassador, His Eminence for a Cardinal, The Right Honourable for a Member of Parliament, His Grace for a non-royal Duke, etc.

In the Benelux countries you can say 'Madam' or 'Mevrouw' instead of 'Your Majesty' or 'Your Royal Highness'. In practice this seldom happens in the Netherlands. People tend to remain formal to The Queen or the Prince of Orange and members of the Royal House. In Belgium people are less formal with the predicates. The common 'Mevrouw' ('Madame') is a much heard style for Queen Paola. Like 'Monseigneur' for Prince Philippe.

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by principessa

I think Maxima should get HM Queen Maxima of the Netherlands, when Willem-Alexander gets King of the Netherlands.

No one is forbidden to follow the tradition and to adress Máxima as 'De Prinses van Oranje' or, later, as 'De Koningin'.

The Court, the State and all official instutions however do follow the official style. It is always and ever 'Hunne Koninklijke Hoogheden de Prins van Oranje en prinses Máxima der Nederlanden'.

Never 'Hunne Koninklijke Hoogheden de Prins en Prinses van Oranje' as tradition wants. But you can do that, if you wants to keep the tradition alive.

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by principessa

I think Maxima should get HM Queen Maxima of the Netherlands, when Willem-Alexander gets King of the Netherlands.

No one is forbidden to follow the tradition and to adress Máxima as 'de Prinses van Oranje' or, later, as 'de Koningin'.

The Court, the State and all official instutions however do follow the official style.
It is always and ever 'de Prins van Oranje en prinses Máxima der Nederlanden'.

Never 'de Prins en Prinses van Oranje' as tradition wants. But you can do that, if you wants to keep the tradition alive. Also in the future, if they follow the Royal House Act 2002 and treat all Consorts the same, be it male or female.

[Princess Robijn]

Originally Posted by Henri M.

Lalla Salma even has no title at all.

Isn't she a Princess with the style of Royal Highness?

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by Princess Robijn

Isn't she a Princess with the style of Royal Highness?

Lalla' is comparable with the Italian 'Donna' or the English 'Lady', I have understood. She does have the predicate 'Sa Altesse Royale' however, indicating her status.

The official site uses for the King and his family:

Sa Majesté le Roi Mohammed VI
Sa Altesse Royale Lalla Salma, épouse du Roi
Son Altesse Royale le Prince Moulay Hassan
Sa Altesse Royale Lalla Khadija

On Wikipedia it is claimed that she was granted the title 'Princess'. But the official site says just 'Lalla'. Like the other ladies (Lalla Meryem, Lalla Asma, Lalla Hasna).

[Empress]

I have a feeling that this is one of those cases where something is lost in translation. I would be willing to bet that Lalla is simply one of those words whose meaning can not be accurately translated, and so we end up with a best possible translation.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Empress

I have a feeling that this is one of those cases where something is lost in translation. I would be willing to bet that Lalla is simply one of those words whose meaning can not be accurately translated, and so we end up with a best possible translation.

Lalla does mean Princess,nothing else,that is all.It really does.Not a Lady nor a Donna,Princess.It is us westerners that are wrong in thinking Lalla is a first name,but in Lalla land it is a Princess.You just lost your bet...

(Btw,it is Lalla Salma's hubby's 44th birthday today)

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by lucien

Lalla does mean Princess,nothing else,that is all.It really does.Not a Lady nor a Donna,Princess.It is us westerners that are wrong in thinking Lalla is a first name,but in Lalla land it is a Princess.You just lost your bet...

(Btw,it is Lalla Salma's hubby's 44th birthday today)

Lalla is definitely no Princess. It means something as 'the (most) revered Dame' and that is closest to 'Lady' or 'Donna'.

So it is, litterally translated:

His Majesty King Mohammed VI
Her Royal Highness the (most) revered Dame Salma, spouse of The King
His Royal Highness Prince Moulay Hassan
Her Royal Highness the (most) revered Dame Khadija
and
Her Royal Highness the (most) revered Dame Meryem
Her Royal Highness the (most) revered Dame Asma
Her Royal Highness the (most) revered Dame Hasna

[Empress]

So anyway, has there been any decision on this matter within the court or within the Netherlands? This just came up in the Camilla title thread, and I posted that I thought that Maxima would be titled Queen. Does anyone have any further news on the subject?

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Empress

So anyway, has there been any decision on this matter within the court or within the Netherlands? This just came up in the Camilla title thread, and I posted that I thought that Maxima would be titled Queen. Does anyone have any further news on the subject?

No decision has been taken,and the issue is simply not opportune.Máxima,no doubt in my mind,as well as many others,will be styled HM Queen Máxima once Alexander takes over.No one,really,no-one will oppose that.

Camilla,same story but I refrain from posting on that thread.She's entitled to be known as HM Queen Camilla.The brits better get used to it,and leave the false emotions where they belong,in the dustbin.Al that "what if " bruhaha is really a lot of noice about absolutely nothing by a handfull on the forum that do not matter in that decision at all.Sorry..

[Iain]

Originally Posted by lucien

No decision has been taken,and the issue is simply not opportune.Máxima,no doubt in my mind,as well as many others,will be styled HM Queen Máxima once Alexander takes over.No one,really,no-one will oppose that.

Camilla,same story but I refrain from posting on that thread.She's entitled to be known as HM Queen Camilla.The brits better get used to it,and leave the false emotions where they belong,in the dustbin.Al that "what if " bruhaha is really a lot of noice about absolutely nothing by a handfull on the forum that do not matter in that decision at all.Sorry..

Well said on both counts!