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Old 07-20-2016, 02:03 PM
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I hope Amalia will marry Prince Gabriel :) And who know, maybe Alexia will marry prince Christian ?
If I am not mistaken, members of the Belgian royal house were legally forbidden from marrying any member of the House of Orange-Nassau. I am not sure if that rule is still in force. Does anybody know ?
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Old 07-20-2016, 02:46 PM
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It was in force from 1830 onwards. When Amalia was born the matter was given some publicity. In 2014 the law was still unchanged.

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Old 07-20-2016, 06:26 PM
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The Explanatory Memorandum and the Advice of the Council of State are always attached to a Bill. In the Memorandum can be read that the practice as developed since 1900 needed codification in the legislation.

In the Memorandum is explained that the King can not be Prince (Princess) of the Netherlands. The two titles bite each other. When in the Act is stated that the presumed successor of the King, as well the King who has abdicated the kingship bear the title Prince (Princess) of the Netherlands, then this is clear.
I stand corrected.

Do you have a link to the Explanatory Memorandum and the Advice of the Council of State?

If King Willem-Alexander wished to be addressed as King after his abdication, could he have it as a courtesy title just as Queen Máxima does?
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And what about titles of spouses of Zaria, Luana, Eloise, Claus-Casimir and Leonore ? I think wife of C-C will be Countess. Will Eloise, Leonore, Zaria and Luana renounce the title ?
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Old 07-21-2016, 01:13 AM
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How can we possibly tell now what they will do in 10-20 years?
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Old 07-21-2016, 02:24 AM
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And what about titles of spouses of Zaria, Luana, Eloise, Claus-Casimir and Leonore ? I think wife of C-C will be Countess. Will Eloise, Leonore, Zaria and Luana renounce the title ?
The daughters of Prince Friso and the children of Prince Constantijn are all have the surname Van Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg, the title Graaf (Gravin) van Oranje-Nassau and the noble predicate Jonkheer van Amsberg. As in Dutch name law it is not allowed to cumulate several titles in a surname, usually the highest title is used in combination with the surname: Graaf (Gravin) van Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg.

According the Nobility Act 1994, noble titles are hereditary via the male lineage. There were several attempts to make it hereditary in both the male and the female lineage. The Government has refused to do this. Argument: with the Nobility Act 1994 a sort of "glass dome" has been placed over "a historic institute". There are no new ennoblements (apart from members of the Royal House) and so the number of nobles will, generation by generation, become smaller. It is not the wish of the Government to modernize the nobility system because this would only lead to a revival of a historic institute, lead to more aristocrats, which was never the intention.

As the situation is as now, only Claus-Casimir is the one who can procreate the comital House Van Oranje-Nassau van Amsberg. If he gets no sons, it will become extinct with himself or his eventual daughters.
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Old 07-21-2016, 03:33 AM
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And what about titles of spouses of Zaria, Luana, Eloise, Claus-Casimir and Leonore ? I think wife of C-C will be Countess. Will Eloise, Leonore, Zaria and Luana renounce the title ?
There are no laws about losing noble titles in the Netherlands. There is a possibility to dismiss the title, but this only happened 7 times, 5 times on the request of the title holders.The last time was in 1984. Jhr. Pieter van beyma wanted to drop his title. The high counsil of the nobility refused his request. After this the jonkheer went to the socialist television station and in the end he was allowed to drop his title.

Since none of the countesses or count is a member of the royal house, none of their marriages will have to be approved by parlament.
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Since none of the countesses or count is a member of the royal house, none of their marriages will have to be approved by parlament.
Countess Eloïse, Count Claus-Casimir and Countess Eleonore are still in the line of succession. If they wish to remain a successor, they still need an Act of Consent for their marriage. But: with Amalia, Alexia and Ariane in mind: it looks unlikely that the Countesses and the Count will request a formal consent.

Line of succession:
1. The Princess of Orange (1st daughter of the King)*
2. Princess Alexia (2nd daughter of the King)*
3. Princess Ariane (3rd daughter of the King)*
4. Prince Constantijn (brother of the King)*
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5. Countess Eloïse (niece of the King)
6. Count Claus-Casimir (nephew of the King)
7. Countess Eleonore (niece of the King)
8. Princess Margriet (aunt of the King)**

* = member of the Royal House by the Royal House Act 2002
** = member of the Royal House by special remainder in the Royal House Act 2002
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Old 07-21-2016, 05:52 AM
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And what about titles of spouses of Zaria, Luana, Eloise, Claus-Casimir and Leonore ? I think wife of C-C will be Countess. Will Eloise, Leonore, Zaria and Luana renounce the title ?
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