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Old 08-16-2016, 07:26 AM
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Poor Claus - couldn't catch a break :(
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Old 08-31-2016, 06:55 AM
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In 1988 I went to Melbourne Airport for the arrival of Queen Beatrix and Prince Claus. It was fairly late on a Saturday night. There were about 100 people, and I learnt to sing Oranja Boven. The Queen and Prince Claus came over and I shook hands with both, and said welcome to Melbourne. The next day my aunty rang my mum and said she saw me on the news "shaking hands with some queen." A few days later they went to Flemington for the Melbourne Cup, and Queen Beatrix presented the cup to the winner (a task traditionally carried out by the Governor-General). Unfortunately I won't be here for this latest Dutch State Visit; I'm off to North Korea.

It is a State Visit because that is the level of diplomatic hospitality being accorded to the King and Queen of the Netherlands. The Governor-General is much more than "just" the Queen's representative. The Governor-General, in his own right, is an essential element of the Australian Crown. Even if the Queen moved permanently to Canberra, we would still need a Governor-General to keep the wheels of government turning. At the request of his government, the Governor-General has just finished paying State Visits to several South American countries. So it is entirely appropriate for him to also host State Visits to Australia.
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Old 08-31-2016, 07:10 AM
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The GG is only the representative of HM (that is what is says in my passport). The Queen is the Head of State and thus as state visits occur between Heads of State - not their representatives this so-called 'State Visit' isn't as they aren't visiting our Heads of State but her representatives out here.

This is the sort of thing the republicans should grab as a very good reason for us to become a republic - so we can have a real Head of State to represent us to other Heads of State instead of a pretend one.
Wrong. The constitution of NZ says that the GG may exercise all powers and prerogatives that HM has with respect to NZ. That obviously includes hosting visiting Heads of State.

In Australia, I guess the constitutional language is even stronger as it says that the Queen"s powers are not just "exercisable", but actually "exercised" in Australia by the GG. In other words, there is a debate whether the Queen could even personally exercise the royal prerogatives in Australia, or if she must do it exclusively through the GG.
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Old 08-31-2016, 06:38 PM
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Wrong. The constitution of NZ says that the GG may exercise all powers and prerogatives that HM has with respect to NZ. That obviously includes hosting visiting Heads of State.

In Australia, I guess the constitutional language is even stronger as it says that the Queen"s powers are not just "exercisable", but actually "exercised" in Australia by the GG. In other words, there is a debate whether the Queen could even personally exercise the royal prerogatives in Australia, or if she must do it exclusively through the GG.
True to the core,every syllable.As should be known to Aussies,but then it's not...haha

Anyway,this is a full blown State Visit regardless,and TM will blow Oz away!
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Old 08-31-2016, 07:11 PM
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In Australia, I guess the constitutional language is even stronger as it says that the Queen"s powers are not just "exercisable", but actually "exercised" in Australia by the GG. In other words, there is a debate whether the Queen could even personally exercise the royal prerogatives in Australia, or if she must do it exclusively through the GG.
Very true Mbruno. The Constitution trumps the front page of a passport, and Section 61 states that executive power is vested in the Queen and is exercisable by the Governor-General. Other sections of the Constitution give powers directly to the Governor-General, not to the Queen. Even if the Queen was in Australia she could not commission a government, appoint Ministers of State, summon parliament, dissolve parliament, issue writs for elections or appoint High Court Judges. The Royal Powers Act 1954 does not apply to the Governor-General's constitutional powers, so without a Governor-General or an Administrator of the Commonwealth, the government would eventually grind to a halt.

Some monarchists argue that the Governor-General is therefore the Head of State of the Commonwealth of Australia. That just splits monarchists into those who promote the importance of the Governor-General at the expense of the Queen, and vice-versa. But we do not have a legally or constitutionally defined Head of State, so it's an argument doomed to chase its own tail. Depending on the context, the Queen or the Governor-General can be described as performing the duties of Australia's head of state. But ultimately the symbolism of a monarchy must make the Queen the head of state.

That symbolism will be seen during the visit of the King and Queen of the Netherlands. At the State Dinner, hosted by he Governor-General, the King will propose a toast to the Queen of Australia. He may also include the Governor-General, and the people of Australia, but the Queen of Australia will be first. But that in no way makes the Governor-General a "pretend" anything. The Australian Crown is comprised of both the Queen and the Governor-General, and they both have an important role to play. For the Governor-General, that includes hosting and paying State Visits.
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Old 08-31-2016, 10:46 PM
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In 1988 I went to Melbourne Airport for the arrival of Queen Beatrix and Prince Claus. It was fairly late on a Saturday night. There were about 100 people, and I learnt to sing Oranja Boven. The Queen and Prince Claus came over and I shook hands with both, and said welcome to Melbourne. The next day my aunty rang my mum and said she saw me on the news "shaking hands with some queen." A few days later they went to Flemington for the Melbourne Cup, and Queen Beatrix presented the cup to the winner (a task traditionally carried out by the Governor-General). Unfortunately I won't be here for this latest Dutch State Visit; I'm off to North Korea.

It is a State Visit because that is the level of diplomatic hospitality being accorded to the King and Queen of the Netherlands. The Governor-General is much more than "just" the Queen's representative. The Governor-General, in his own right, is an essential element of the Australian Crown. Even if the Queen moved permanently to Canberra, we would still need a Governor-General to keep the wheels of government turning. At the request of his government, the Governor-General has just finished paying State Visits to several South American countries. So it is entirely appropriate for him to also host State Visits to Australia.
Good heavens...North Korea? I do hope you report back on this very mysterious country
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Good heavens...North Korea? I do hope you report back on this very mysterious country
Yes, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea for a week in October. It should be interesting. Then it's Beijing to Singapore, almost all the way by train, via Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Thailand and Malaysia (visiting Royal Palaces in each country). It's disappointing to miss out on the Dutch State Visit, and the chance to sing Oranja Boven, but I was all booked for the Party Foundation Day Tour, and I can't cancel on the Dear Leader, not even for Queen Maxima.
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Nice programs. It will be two great state visits.
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No state dinner in Australia it seems; on November 2nd they will receive a state lunch from the Australian government. I do not know the reason why, let's hope it is practicalities and not a lack of courtesy. It is highly unusual, even China hosted a dinner for the king.
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No state dinner in Australia it seems; on November 2nd they will receive a state lunch from the Australian government. I do not know the reason why, let's hope it is practicalities and not a lack of courtesy. It is highly unusual, even China hosted a dinner for the king.
Probably due to practicalities, but I don't know. Isn't a state banquet the normal thing also in Australia, at least I remember that the Swedish Royal Couple were given a black tie (with tiaras) state dinner in 2005.
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No state dinner in Australia it seems; on November 2nd they will receive a state lunch from the Australian government. I do not know the reason why, let's hope it is practicalities and not a lack of courtesy. It is highly unusual, even China hosted a dinner for the king.
Yes, it is very unusual not to have a state dinner during a state visit, It makes it look like an official visit rather than a state visit. I wonder if the Australians would show greater courtesy if there were a monarchist prime minister in office rather than Mr. Turnbull.

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Nice programs. It will be two great state visits.
It is significant that the King and Queen are visiting "on the invitation of the Governor General", which emphasizes the modern constitutional position of the GG as a de facto acting Head of State and not merely a representative of the British monarch,

BTW, I didn't know that New Zealand had a new GG. When did she take office ?
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i am very excited about the visit to NZ and OZ. it reminds me a bit of the one william and kate did some years back, where they visited both countries.

now, i know that WA and maxima are not as known in those countries as previous royal visitors such as william and kate, but i hope it drags the crowds that we saw in the past visits.

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I quite enjoyed the royal visit back in 2006, so I'm looking forward to this one as well.
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Every hiccup in Australia has been discussed between diplomatic workgroups of the two countries, so we may assume the program was approved by the King: a state lunch.

It is not very new. When the Sultan of Brunei visited Queen Beatrix, a state lunch was offered in the Gallery Chamber of Noordeinde Palace. When the King and Queen of Sweden visited the King, a grand banquet was given in the Royal Palace Amsterdam. Two official visits, two different protocollary events... So it seems to depend on the outcome of wishes and possibilities indeed.
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i didn't know that New Zealand had a new GG. When did she take office ?
Dame Patsy Reddy took over from Sir Jerry Matapere on the 14th of September and her official inauguration was on the 28/29th of September.

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nice and informative interview. thank you
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The Sydney Opera House is going to be lit up orange on the night of the concert that King Willem-Alexander and Queen Maxima are hosting as a thankyou.
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They're coming to my work but I was employed after they did security clearances so I can't meet them :( Peter Jackson is going to be there too
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