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Old 02-17-2007, 09:52 AM
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There was a discussion in the Second Chamber because two of the new state secretaries in the new Cabinet do have dual citizenship: mrs. Nebahat Albayrak (Labour Party, state secretary of Justice) is Dutch/Turkish and mr. Ahmed Aboutaleb (Labour Party, state secretary of Social Affairs) is Dutch/Moroccoan.

A small nationalistic party made a riot in the Chamber by trying to block the appointment of these two state-secretaries because of their dual citizenships: it would also imply 'dual loyalties'.

The outgoing minister of Immigration, mrs. Rita Verdonk (Liberals) stated that Princess Máxima should give up her Argentinean nationality as well. This caused some upheaval in media and mrs. Verdonk apparently forgot that Morocco and Argentina do not allow their citizens to give up their citizenship. And she also forgot that Queen Beatrix has two nationalities as well.
interesting anecdote! what a slip from the minister....
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Old 02-17-2007, 10:30 AM
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Verdonk apparently forgot that Morocco and Argentina do not allow their citizens to give up their citizenship. And she also forgot that Queen Beatrix has two nationalities as well.
Thanks for the explanation

But where did you get from that Argentina does not allow their citizens to give up their citizenship?
I know many people who gave up their argentinian citizenship

Loss of argentinian citizenship:

VOLUNTARY: Per Argentine consular office, citizenship can only be renounced in the capital, Buenos Aires. Papers must be signed at the police station and then the individual must appear before a judge where the renunciation must be accepted by the Argentine government.

INVOLUNTARY: The following are grounds for involuntary loss of Argentine citizenship: Person acquires foreign citizenship, but does not fall under "Dual Citizenship." Person accepts employment or honors from a foreign government without permission. Person commits fraudulent bankruptcy or has an infamous sentence.
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Old 02-17-2007, 11:50 AM
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Thanks for the explanation

But where did you get from that Argentina does not allow their citizens to give up their citizenship?
I know many people who gave up their argentinian citizenship
The Argentinean Government answered this on requests of the Netherlands Justice Department. It seems that Argentina does not allow its citizens to give up their citizenship.
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Old 02-17-2007, 05:44 PM
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Máxima kan geen afstand doen van Argentijnse nationaliteit
nu.nl/algemeen | Máxima kan geen afstand doen van Argentijnse nationaliteit
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Old 02-18-2007, 12:35 PM
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Máxima kan geen afstand doen van Argentijnse nationaliteit
nu.nl/algemeen | Máxima kan geen afstand doen van Argentijnse nationaliteit
I know you are studying dutch but can you tell me shortly what it says?
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Old 02-18-2007, 01:04 PM
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I know you are studying dutch but can you tell me shortly what it says?
It sais mainly the same what Henri M explained before... that Princess Máxima cannot give up her argentinian citizenship, becuase Argentina does not allow their citizents to do so
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Old 02-19-2007, 11:45 AM
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I'd like to add this link (in English), from www.ind.nl. Sorting by country, you may check whether you are supposed to give up your former nationality when adopting the Dutch one:

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As you can see, as an Argentinean you are not supposed to, unless you were not originally Argentinean, but naturalised.
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I am Argentinian and living in the Netherlands at present. I've applied for the Dutch citizenship and in the procedure instructions I was told that Argetinian law does not allow renouncing to one's nationality.
To a certain extent (and mark the word "certain" ), it stands to reason that those people who are in government-related positions would exclusively have a Dutch passport, because they're representing the Dutch peole - and their commitment to the national interests might be somehow "tinted" if they kept their nationality of origin.

Did Prince Claus and Prince Bernhard give up their German nationality when they married their queens?
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Old 02-20-2007, 08:47 AM
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And she also forgot that Queen Beatrix has two nationalities as well.
She really has? I never knew about this! She half Dutch, half German?

[quote=Pooky] Did Prince Claus and Prince Bernhard give up their German nationality when they married their queens?[/quote]
I think so. Claus got the Dutch Citizenship one or two days before his marriage.
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Old 02-20-2007, 08:54 AM
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I am Argentinian and living in the Netherlands at present. I've applied for the Dutch citizenship and in the procedure instructions I was told that Argetinian law does not allow renouncing to one's nationality.
To a certain extent (and mark the word "certain" ), it stands to reason that those people who are in government-related positions would exclusively have a Dutch passport, because they're representing the Dutch peole - and their commitment to the national interests might be somehow "tinted" if they kept their nationality of origin.

Did Prince Claus and Prince Bernhard give up their German nationality when they married their queens?
Yes.

In 1936 Prince Bernhard zur Lippe-Biesterfeld was received in an audience by Adolf Hitler to say farewell to his German homeland. He gave up his German nationality indeed.

I assume Claus von Amsberg did the same in 1966.
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Old 02-20-2007, 04:10 PM
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She really has? I never knew about this! She half Dutch, half German?
According Wikipedia she has the Dutch and British nationality.

Link: Beatrix of the Netherlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-27-2007, 07:44 AM
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But wikipedia isn't exactly a reliable source I believe. Maybe we should mail the RVD, though they will probably only respond 'private matter'.
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She really has? I never knew about this! She half Dutch, half German?
Queen Beatrix (of course) has the Dutch citizenship.

Queen Beatrix most likely has the British citizenship on ground of the Sophia Naturalization Act.

Queen Beatrix can apply for German citizenship having a German parent (and 3 German grandparents, and 7 German great-grandparents, etc.)

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Simply: one of the pylons which marked the red carpet tumbled down and apparently Máxima wanted to help the mayor to upright it.
Once again, another gesture showing her un-snobby, helpful, warm personnality.

Personally, I really, really like Maxima's megawatt smile, as well as her speeches and the job she has performed as a princess to date, for example her involvment in microfinance. She is hardworking, and whenever I see pictures of her, I cannot not like her.

However, with the money and jewelry she has at her disposal, her messy apperance is insufficient. Her physical apperance the last year or so, has truly been disappointing, especially the hair !

Have a look at this picture:
http://ppe-agency.com/500px/Dec2006/06121312.jpg

If I hadn't known, that she that day attended the Prince Claus Price in the Musicbuilding in Amsterdam, I would honestly have thought that this was a paparazzi shot taken of her, where she was trying to find the right terminal in an airport in order not to miss a flight, or something. She looks confused, irritated, messy and if she was late for something. Her clothes are distastefull(okay, that's a matter of opinion), and her walk is just . She doesn't always look like this, but sometimes I think she is a little too much.
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Old 04-04-2007, 04:02 PM
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Once again, another gesture showing her un-snobby, helpful, warm personnality.

Personally, I really, really like Maxima's megawatt smile, as well as her speeches and the job she has performed as a princess to date, for example her involvment in microfinance. She is hardworking, and whenever I see pictures of her, I cannot not like her.

However, with the money and jewelry she has at her disposal, her messy apperance is insufficient. Her physical apperance the last year or so, has truly been disappointing, especially the hair !

Have a look at this picture:
http://ppe-agency.com/500px/Dec2006/06121312.jpg

If I hadn't known, that she that day attended the Prince Claus Price in the Musicbuilding in Amsterdam, I would honestly have thought that this was a paparazzi shot taken of her, where she was trying to find the right terminal in an airport in order not to miss a flight, or something. She looks confused, irritated, messy and if she was late for something. Her clothes are distastefull(okay, that's a matter of opinion), and her walk is just . She doesn't always look like this, but sometimes I think she is a little too much.
The heavily pregnant Princess leaves the hypermodern glass-and-steel Muziekgebouw which is directly at the open waterfront in Amsterdam, always with a hard and chilly wind blowing straight in your face. A photocamera, with an angle below her waist, clicks 0,000001 millisecond and voilá, this unfortunate picture has been captured for eternity. This picture, made at the same occasion, tells a completely different story.

I have seen nice outfits by the same heavily pregnant Princess, no so long after this, like this elegant combination or stealing the show in velvet and with emeralds
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:54 PM
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I have seen nice outfits by the same heavily pregnant Princess, no so long after this, like this elegant combination or stealing the show in velvet and with emeralds
She tends to look lovely in her evening outfits- her hair is usually better for instance and of course we do not have to see those ugly legs. She should have her dresses/coats below the knees and get rid of the ankle straps on her outfits which does not help the look either.
Her hair should be back to the natural colour- died blonde with brown eyes looks a bit er.. .
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She tends to look lovely in her evening outfits- her hair is usually better for instance and of course we do not have to see those ugly legs. She should have her dresses/coats below the knees and get rid of the ankle straps on her outfits which does not help the look either.
Her hair should be back to the natural colour- died blonde with brown eyes looks a bit er.. .
My God, if those are ugly legs!! i think her legs look good for a normal body, she´s not a supermodel!!!!!
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Thanks Henri, for putting things into perspective. As you said it depends on the angle. And her legs? I don't think they are ugly but ankle straps don't look the greatest..I know I would look awful and I stay away fromn them..:)
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Once again, another gesture showing her un-snobby, helpful, warm personnality.

Personally, I really, really like Maxima's megawatt smile, as well as her speeches and the job she has performed as a princess to date, for example her involvment in microfinance. She is hardworking, and whenever I see pictures of her, I cannot not like her.

However, with the money and jewelry she has at her disposal, her messy apperance is insufficient. Her physical apperance the last year or so, has truly been disappointing, especially the hair !

Have a look at this picture:
http://ppe-agency.com/500px/Dec2006/06121312.jpg

If I hadn't known, that she that day attended the Prince Claus Price in the Musicbuilding in Amsterdam, I would honestly have thought that this was a paparazzi shot taken of her, where she was trying to find the right terminal in an airport in order not to miss a flight, or something. She looks confused, irritated, messy and if she was late for something. Her clothes are distastefull(okay, that's a matter of opinion), and her walk is just . She doesn't always look like this, but sometimes I think she is a little too much.
I like Princess Maxima too, but I can't5 but agree to MissSaga. Her personal look is a complete mess since a year or so. I know she is pregnant and then, she has a certain "indulgence" from us (oh..what mean we are! I ask to myself what we'll do if we were in her possition ) to be a little messy with her personal appareance. But I hope that since she gives birth to her baby, she will -at least- take care of her hair. It looks awful!

As for her legs, yes, they are a little ...-how can I say it?...a little strong. But she is not guilty of it. All of us shouldn't have the legs of a top model. I only wish she makes what it's possible for her: take care of her clothes and her hairdoss. She must respect the people whom she is representing from the day she married Prince Wilhelm-Alexander: the Netherland one.

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Old 04-05-2007, 08:11 PM
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I like Princess Maxima too, but I can't5 but agree to MissSaga. Her personal look is a complete mess since a year or so. I know she is pregnant and then, she has a certain "indulgence" from us (oh..what mean we are! I ask to myself what we'll do if we were in her possition ) to be a little messy with her personal appareance. But I hope that since she gives birth to her baby, she will -at least- take care of her hair. It looks awful!

As for her legs, yes, they are a little ...-how can I say it?...a little strong. But she is not guilty of it. All of us shouldn't have the legs of a top model. I only wish she makes what it's possible for her: take care of her clothes and her hairdoss. She must respect the people whom she is representing from the day she married Prince Wilhelm-Alexander: the Netherland one.

Vanesa.
I totally agree with you Vanesa but I don't think her hair looks messy-it looks normal for me

And I also wonder what we'll do if we were in her position
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