Analysis of Máxima


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Marengo said:
she dresses with a formality that is only surpassed by HM The Queen, her ladies-in-waiting and female CDA/VVD politicians who passed the age of 60.

:ROFLMAO: That last one made me laugh out loud, Marengo! Thanks for that. :flowers:

I agree with your last post in a whole, btw. I fail to see the horror of it all too, to be honest. In a world where a lot of problems have to be solved, I don't think it's of any consequence that there's a smart Dutch princess wandering around whose only crime is that from time to time she dresses up in a way some of us don't like (including me, btw)...:ermm:
 
Henri M. said:
Amen to that.

Her mother-in-law is already performing public duties for 50 years, as Princess and later as Queen. On hot days, cold days, stormy days, rainy days, dry days.

Always and ever she tries to look impeccable. Because she knows what impression she wants to make. First and foremost (so said her son Prince Constantijn) any public act must be done in a dignified style. Friendly but distant. Dignified but human.

Máxima for sure is extremely friendly. And extremely human. I do miss the distance and the dignified attitude which surrounds Queen Beatrix. Sometimes even Laurentien, with all her strange outfits à la laurentinoise, radiates more dignity than Máxima!
Completely agree!
 
Larzen said:
I like Maxima, She appears very smart, her speeches are by far the best of the Crown Princesses (maybe she has a fantastic speech writer:lol: ) she has spark and she seems genuine. But honeslty lately her apprances has gone dooooown and I dont think any other of her fellow Crown Princesses has her resources. Even if you are pregnant you can comb your hair and try to not outbling Jay-Z in a day event. If it is windy put it in a ponytail or a chignon, or use some hairspray (Im sure her mother in law can recomend a good label;) ) We almost never see the older guard (Sonja, Silvia Beatrix, Sofia etc) looking like they have just entered a hurricane storm. Such apparance as this really distracts from the event,Instead of wondering what the event is about I wonder what is she doing at the floor
http://ppe-agency.com/500px/Nov2006/06112207.jpg
and where is her face
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Well one word one cant put on her is Boring:lol:
Very wise comment! So well put too; nothing to add to, agree with every word!
 
Marengo said:
Well, my perception of dignity a la Laurentinoise is troubled by her appearing as an airoplane, though very friendly, not exactly royal either. Neither are many of her clothing choises, some of which seem more suitable for the circus then for an official duty as a representant of the Dutch state. But still I value Laurentien as a member of the RF as she seems to have a cause and tries to put much of her energy in it, which is IMHO much more important then her clothes.

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Though I do not like Maxima's shiny outfit of yesterday, I fail to see the horror of it all. IMO she is a rather conservative dresser and compared to the Dutch women I see at work, on the street, television etc. she dresses with a formality that is only surpassed by HM The Queen, her ladies-in-waiting and female CDA/VVD politicians who passed the age of 60.

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Concrete hairdo's is not so much of this generation anymore either, and I sure hope she will never start being as exchuberent with the harspray as her mother-in-law, Queen Fabiola or Raine Spencer. Personally I would prefer her to put the hair in a knot, like the Duchess of Brabant usually does.

Agree Marengo.Allthough appearance is part of the Royal spectrum(especially on forums/boards)...,I think it's far more important What and How HRH does contribute within The Netherlands and within the frame of her many interests in a global perspective,ao,micro-credit issues.
 
princess olga said:
I admire their ability to listen to the best of PR strategists!

Or, in such a cleverly planned and orchestrated and strategized way. This is a clever PR trick they use to influence exactly those politicians who don't really warm for the concept of the monarchy.

Ever since Juliana & Bernhard,and especially since 1966,Beatrix and Claus, always invited people from the world of politics(left,right and center),artists,scientists and such for dinner parties,first at Drakensteyn,later in The Hague.Those gatherings aimed/aiming at broaden their minds.
Always a good idea.
 
I prefer her hair loose, dishevelled by the wind and not hard and fixed with tons of spray as the queen who seems to be wearing a wig. Maxima is very young and the long hair is her best choice.
 
Henri M....why do you constantly refer to Princess Maxima as Maxima Zorreguieta? Has she gotten a divorce and is now referred to her by her maiden name and I missed the news? Or is it because you don't like her?
 
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Zonk said:
Henri M....why do you constantly refer to Princess Maxima as Maxima Zorreguieta? Has she gotten a divorce and is now referred to her by her maiden name and I missed the news? Or is it because you don't like her?

Sorry, must have been an automatism.
I have already edited my post:
Máxima Zorreguieta into: Máxima.
 
Zonk said:
Henri M....why do you constantly refer to Princess Maxima as Maxima Zorreguieta? Has she gotten a divorce and is now referred to her by her maiden name and I missed the news? Or is it because you don't like her?

Why is it so bad to call her Maxima Zorreguieta? Is she ashamed of her last name? I don't see anything wrong--why do you assume that if you call her Maxima Zorreguieta, people don't like her? Did I miss something here?
 
Roxsteve said:
Why is it so bad to call her Maxima Zorreguieta? Is she ashamed of her last name? I don't see anything wrong--why do you assume that if you call her Maxima Zorreguieta, people don't like her? Did I miss something here?

It is seen as a mark of (my) disapproval when I do not write HRH Princess Máxima of the Netherlands.

That is what is meant here.
 
Henri M. said:
It is seen as a mark of (my) disapproval when I do not write HRH Princess Máxima of the Netherlands.

That is what is meant here.

Please!! Let's move on. I never call her HRH Princess Maxima of the Netherlands...Maxima is fine with me, and I am sure it is fine with her. Who really cares? Unbelievable. Besides, you have a right to dislike her if you feel like that. I love her, and I still don't see anything wrong.
 
alright, I think it is always useful to agree that everyone does not have to think of things in the same way, approve/disapprove/ whatever the case.

none of it matters anyway. be happy.

Both the Crown Princess and the DRF family know clearly what her name is.

nothing will cease to exist either way:flowers:
 
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Hola!

Regular visitors to the website of Hola! will see that they also often write

Máxima Zorreguieta
Máxima de Holanda
La Princesa Máxima
Máxima de Orange
Máxima de los Paísos Bajos
Máxima
La Princesa de los Paísos Bajos

It is all ok. I say Máxima. Othere even say Máxi.
 
Roxsteve said:
Why is it so bad to call her Maxima Zorreguieta? Is she ashamed of her last name? I don't see anything wrong--why do you assume that if you call her Maxima Zorreguieta, people don't like her? Did I miss something here?

Why?
First:Because since her marriage she's properly addressed as HRH Princess Máxima of the Netherlands,Henry's disdain is strictly his own and doesn't reflect the general mood/view in the Country.

Second;Henri,nice as he can be,has this thing with the Princess,it's either Himmelhoch Jauchzend or zum Tode betrübt,"Our Chica Latina" or the messy hairball,it all depends on Henri's mood swings you see.On other boards we're used to that,here it might be a novelty.

Three:The Princess remains herself,once applauded for doing so by our dear co-poster.Allthough I love to see her hair in a knot during a gala,to have it that way all the time would make her look like something of a swedish governess,it would be dubbed as "frumpy" then.

Thank god the majority of the dutch love her how she is,but then unfortunately not all of them are registered at TRF,so you just have to take it from me and some others here....;)
 
didn't she give up her last name upon her marriage? Isn't she now Maxima von Orange, technically? I know Letizia kept her last name, but that is a Spanish thing, and all of the other royal women (aside from the Spanish) have taken their husband's names (with the exception of QEII, Q Margrethe, and Q Beatrix, whose husbands took their names).
Maxima, as a consort, would then have taken W-A's last name, which would be the family name, which I believe is von Orange, or maybe _Prince Claus's last name_ von Orange.
 
LadyK said:
didn't she give up her last name upon her marriage? Isn't she now Maxima von Orange, technically? I know Letizia kept her last name, but that is a Spanish thing, and all of the other royal women (aside from the Spanish) have taken their husband's names (with the exception of QEII, Q Margrethe, and Q Beatrix, whose husbands took their names).
Maxima, as a consort, would then have taken W-A's last name, which would be the family name, which I believe is von Orange, or maybe _Prince Claus's last name_ von Orange.
it's a strange thing. Maybe the people still call her Máxima Zorreguieta to keep in mind where she comes from...:ermm: For example, Queen Sonja is sometimes still called Sonja Haraldsen aswell.
Maybe it's just a media thing... Maybe they want to show: Hey look, they were commoners.:p
 
In Argentinian magazines she´s called Maxima Zorreguieta, la Princesa Maxima, or just Maxima. As there´s only one Maxima there´s no need for more words.
 
Máxima Zorreguieta in married style

When using tradition, Máxima is since her marriage:

Hare Koninklijke Hoogheid prinses Máxima, de prinses van Oranje, prinses der Nederlanden, prinses van Oranje-Nassau, mevrouw van Amsberg - Zorreguieta

But by the Court and in all official documents she is always styled as:

Hare Koninklijke Hoogheid prinses Máxima der Nederlanden
 
Henri M. said:
When using tradition, Máxima is since her marriage:

Hare Koninklijke Hoogheid prinses Máxima, de prinses van Oranje, prinses der Nederlanden, prinses van Oranje-Nassau, mevrouw van Amsberg - Zorreguieta

But by the Court and in all official documents she is always styled as:

Hare Koninklijke Hoogheid prinses Máxima der Nederlanden

Official full name:

[SIZE=-1]Hare Koninklijke Hoogheid prinses Máxima, prinses der Nederlanden, prinses van Oranje-Nassau, mevrouw Van Amsberg. :flowers:[/SIZE]
 
The Princess of Orange

Marengo said:
I do not think either Anna Pavlovna or Sophie of Wurttemberg were the epithomy of style and grace either :) Not to mention poor Mary Stuart (II), to which nature hadn't been very kind.

We can start another discussion about wether or not Maxima is the Princess of Orange (both the state as the court do not name her such), but that doesn't add anything to the discussion.

Mabel Martine Wisse-Smit has become HRH Princess Mabel of Orange-Nassau by virtue of her marriage to HRH Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau.

Petra Laurentien Brinkhorst has become HRH Princess Laurentien of the Netherlands by virtue of her marriage to HRH Prince Constantijn of the Netherlands.

Doesn't Máxima Zorreguieta Cerruti have the same right to be HRH The Princess of Orange by virtue of her marriage to HRH The Prince of Orange?

Máxima's position as wife to The Prince of Orange, is no other position as Wilhelmina of Prussia, Anna Paulovna of Russia or Sophie of Württemberg, etc. had. All of them were spouses to a Prince of Orange as well.
 
Princesses and ordinary ladies

When the headmaster requests the concierge to wave the flag with orange pennant, when the pupils are forced outside to wave with little flags, when the local brassband is in line and the mayor has extra polished his silver chain, all a bit nervous awaiting high visit....

Not 'just' high visit, no.... a royal visit...

Then there comes a motorcade with a shiny darkblue royal Volvo-limousine, with an AA-numberplate and the personal standard waving. The limousine is followed by other blue Volvo's with the accompanying escorte. It is an impressive sight.

And there the chauffeur opens the door of the main limousine and salutes. A shoe sticks out, a glimpse of a skirt and there she is! With a wonderful hat, elegantly gloved and holding a purse.... Her Royal Highness Princess Máxima of the Netherlands.

:flowers:

Full of grace and stylish as was she the reïncarnation of Audrey Hepburn, the Princess receives a hand from the mayor and greets the little flowergirl, awaiting her on the red carpet.

:flowers:

Thát is how it always has been. Now the same limousine arrives, a lady with a wrinkled johnnie-&-anita tigerprint dress and a ravaged hairdo steps out of the car and eeeeerh.... that actually seems to be the future Queen...

:wacko:
 
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Maxima certainly has her bad days, and I'm the first to yell at her for her messy hair (get a good cut!), those awful t-strap shoes (don't get me started) and the need for a little microdermabrasion or something to help with the sun damage. But her bad days are rarer than her good days, and she even pulls off the occassional great look which makes me wonder how the same person bought such disparate outfits. For example:
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and this
http://www.anp-photo.com/downloadpicturepreview.pp?id=4063499

Hat, gloves - very old-fashioned. I think hats are very flattering if done right. And they're perfectly appropriate for certain formal occassions. But for most events it can look odd.

On her tour of Aruba and the Antilles, the Queen went around in stiff hat, stiff gloves, stiff hair, stiff shoulderpads and the look was dated and unflattering, like a museum piece. I like Beatrix (what I know of her), but she really needs to update her look a little. I'm not talking pants at court functions, just something a little more relatable for most viewers.

I think Maxima (and the other princesses) have done a fairly good juggling act of modernizing old traditional customs. And as a previous poster noted, she does good work. I still think she could polish her appearance more, but overall: Yeah Maxima!
 
ap3 said:
On her tour of Aruba and the Antilles, the Queen went around in stiff hat, stiff gloves, stiff hair, stiff shoulderpads and the look was dated and unflattering, like a museum piece. I like Beatrix (what I know of her), but she really needs to update her look a little. I'm not talking pants at court functions, just something a little more relatable for most viewers.

Oh no, the Queen can't change! She wouldn't be our 'Trix' any longer. You must understand that she has worked all those years at building this image with the hair, the hat and the shoulderpads. With all these things she has become a real symbol for our country and if she'd dropped or updated any of these, I would be quite dissapointed...:ohmy:

I find this Maxima discussion very interesting, btw. Times change, you know and royals change with them. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. And when it gets really bad (Maxima wearing a leopard print, golden ankle strap shoes, her hair in a pink beehive and two really big golden earrings in her ears) there probably will be a switch to the other side again. Or not. But we all still keep breathing (at least I will) and watching the royals. And maybe only for the fact that I sometimes really have the time of my life behind my computer, visiting this forum and seeing the various opinions going round in circles over and over again... ;)
 
Full of grace and stylish as was she the reïncarnation of Audrey Hepburn, the Princess receives a hand from the mayor and greets the little flowergirl, awaiting her on the red carpet.

Well if you'd rather see Audrey Hepburn, I'll gladly lend you a shovel. I'd rather go with Maxima and the 21st century myself.
 
lucien said:
Why?
First:Because since her marriage she's properly addressed as HRH Princess Máxima of the Netherlands,Henry's disdain is strictly his own and doesn't reflect the general mood/view in the Country.

Second;Henri,nice as he can be,has this thing with the Princess,it's either Himmelhoch Jauchzend or zum Tode betrübt,"Our Chica Latina" or the messy hairball,it all depends on Henri's mood swings you see.On other boards we're used to that,here it might be a novelty.

Three:The Princess remains herself,once applauded for doing so by our dear co-poster.Allthough I love to see her hair in a knot during a gala,to have it that way all the time would make her look like something of a swedish governess,it would be dubbed as "frumpy" then.

Thank god the majority of the dutch love her how she is,but then unfortunately not all of them are registered at TRF,so you just have to take it from me and some others here....;)

I see, but I don't think we are addressing her in person so I really don't see the harm. However, I do respect your opinion.
 
Current events

Well, for the coming current events I do hope that Máxima will sit down and make her mind up: who am I? What am I doing here? What is my position in this country? Why is it that do I belong to the world's most privileged persons?

And then I hope she will review her own role and her own performance. I have the idea that, because she did not grew up in a monarchy, she has no idea what it is and is confusing it with any ordinary celebrity.

Let us await and see, there will be a calm period around Christmas and then she will disappear for the birth of her newest baby. I hope we will see a renewed, more polished, better dressed and more princessely acting Máxima.
 
IMO this discussion has become utterly rediculous. It seems that some here would prefer a doll from a shopwindow as Princess then an actual human being. Just shut up, show a cool smile, never show any emotion, be pretty, wear gloves and never laugh or show a bit of humanity (though I remember that some here critisized another crownprincess not to long ago for these very reasons).

I prefer a human being, an intelligent educated woman who seems to be able to 'connect' with people, has a strong charisma, seems to have a genuine interest in the world around her, is a great mother, wife and daughter-in-law. I find that all MUCH more 'royal' or 'princessy' then a doll from a shop window.

Maybe the Dutch should start an IHA as well, I am sure they would know how to beat any sense of humanity out of any woman, including Maxima & will turn her into the perfect robot that some here seem to prefer.
 
Maybe the Dutch should start an IHA as well, I am sure they would know how to beat any sense of humanity out of any woman, including Maxima & will turn her into the perfect robot that some here seem to prefer.

I agree, and have a designated "royal bearer of the hair spray can" by every exit so an appropriate dose can be administered before she leaves the house. That will keep all brain cells in the royal head from escaping out through loose hair. That should keep the ungrateful woman in her place and extinguish that megawatt smile before someone thinks she has something to be happy about.
 
WELL SAID, Marengo! I couldn't agree with you more.

What makes Maxima a complete success, in my opinion, is that she has connected with people.

It seems to me that the basis for this neverending argument is that some of us on this forum are advocates for tradition, and some for modernity. If you listen to all the posts here, that is what it comes down to.

I prefer the modernity of the European Houses- modernity defined by Crown Princes marrying non-royal women but women that they truly love. Modernity defined by these new Crown Princesses exerting influence over the causes they support and their public image. Modernity defined by the endless images we see of these Crown Princesses making real connections with people, young and old, and gaining the love of their nations.

On this basis, I think that Maxima, Mary, Mette Marit, Mathilde, Camilla and to some measure, Letizia, are all great successes.

We have also seen the tragedy that results when need for tradition clashes repeatedly over the desire for moderninty. We now have a Japanese Crown Princess who has so much talent, intelligence and warmth that has been extinguished and she has been seemingly, forced into mental health problems as a result.

Clearly, some on this forum prefer tradition over modernity. That's OK- it might be interesting to hear more about WHY rather than just what is not liked about Maxima. I, for one, would like to understand your perspective better.



Marengo said:
IMO this discussion has become utterly rediculous. It seems that some here would prefer a doll from a shopwindow as Princess then an actual human being. Just shut up, show a cool smile, never show any emotion, be pretty, wear gloves and never laugh or show a bit of humanity (though I remember that some here critisized another crownprincess not to long ago for these very reasons).

I prefer a human being, an intelligent educated woman who seems to be able to 'connect' with people, has a strong charisma, seems to have a genuine interest in the world around her, is a great mother, wife and daughter-in-law. I find that all MUCH more 'royal' or 'princessy' then a doll from a shop window.

Maybe the Dutch should start an IHA as well, I am sure they would know how to beat any sense of humanity out of any woman, including Maxima & will turn her into the perfect robot that some here seem to prefer.
 
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