The Winter Home in the Mountains and the Summer Home by the Sea

[KikkiB]

It seems like the royals again is stiring up a debate on their building plans. I found this article on CP Mette-Marit and CP Haakons plans on building a cabin near Kristiansand.

I've translated it myself, so it's not perfect, but I think you'll get the drift :)

Some explanations; SV is the Socialist Left party in Norway, and is known for being republican, the Right party is known for being monarchist.

We also have a law in Norway that says you can't build a house/cabin/building less than 100 metres from a beach/sea side. The beaches/sea side are supposed to be open for the public to use. But some municipalities gives suspensions from this law, giving private persons permission to have their private beach/sea side (fencing them in). And it causes discussion over and over again.

SV want to stop Mette-Marits dream cabin

Crown Princess Mette-Marit and Crown Prince Haakon dream about building their vacation paradise near the beach at idyllic Flekkerøy at Kristiansand. But it could quickly create a quarrel. SV in Kristiansand have already reacted strongly to the rumours about the Crown Princely couples building plans at Naudetangen on Flekkerøy, and have had support from the locals.

“We don’t want the property to be re-regulated, and that it is made differences between royals and others. If the Crown Princely couple need 9843,4 m2 , it means that they also have to go into the free area. We mostly say no to cabins near the beach” says SVs municipality council member Gro Hareide to Dagbladet.

The municipality buys

The newspaper Fædrelandsvennen brought yesterday the news that Crown Princess Mette-Marit and Crown Prince Haakon have been visiting the so-called NRK-property on Flekkerøya to have a closer look at the place.

“They fell for the place, and is interested in taking it over” says legal consultant Jon Holt with Kristiansand Eiendom to the newspaper. He expects that the municipality can take over the property from NRK sometime before Christmas. After that the municipality will re-regulate it and sell parts of the property to the Crown Princely couple.

Kristiansand Eiendom run Kristiansand municipalitys properties, and shall have taken on to get hold of the property after a request from the Palace in the late summer. The Crown Princely couples information advisor Sven Gj. Gjeruldsen says that there isn’t made any deals on a country estate. The couple has, according to Gjeruldsen, looked at several options. “I have no further comments to you” says Gjeruldsen.

For public use

For several decades the broadcaster had their “middlewave” transmitter on the island. The SV politician Gro Hareide thinks it would be nice if the Crown Princely couple would have a cabin in Kristiansand, but she can’t understand why it is a municipality job to help the couple.

It the case reach political treatment, she will heavily protest a re-regualtion from a beach property to leasure purposes for the royals.The signal so fra from the Right pary is that it would be nice of the municipality to help the royals find a country estate in the home town of the Crown Princess.

Descrete

The sea side property lies perfectly in the landscape for the vacationing people who wants privacy, as the security of the individuals will be taken care of.

Hareide have now gotten unsuspected support from the inhabitants of Flekkerøya, which isn’t especially known for being SV-terrain.

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2005/11/06/448532.html

[Layla1971]

Well, wasn't it Martha-Louise and Ari who got special treatment for their house?
At least, I think it was them.
My opinion is they should be allowed to build there, and yes, be given special permission too. After all, not everyone needs the privacy and security that royals need to have. This place seems to be perfect for them.

[Larzen]

thanks for translating

Originally Posted by KikkiB

We also have a law in Norway that says you can't build a house/cabin/building less than 100 metres from a beach/sea side. The beaches/sea side are supposed to be open for the public to use. But some municipalities gives suspensions from this law, giving private persons permission to have their private beach/sea side (fencing them in). And it causes discussion over and over again.

You can build in 100 metres sone if their is already a building there, which you rennovate (take down and rebuild). Now this can take some extremes when people stretch the laws, many places very old smal boat houses gets "renovated" to summercabines and sold for millions etc.

I do not think you and me are allowed to fence in our beach, we have a summerhouse by the sea and we are not allowed to fence in our beach nor are we allowed to refuse people to walk there, but most people dont camp on other peoples piers and beaches because it feels strange. The idea is that all people should be able to walk by the seaside, and that it is open to everyone.

As far as I can see there is already a house at the property, therefor they can also build a new house at the same place if the house is approved by the local building council. The problem arrises because of the security they cant have you and me walking across their pier and beaches, and they will have to have special threatment like Märtha had. Mågerø is already on military ground and therefor off limit for us.


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Haakon took part in the yearly dinner for Stortinet Pictures here

Haakon takes part in a 3 day visit to Denmark, Pictures here

[Layla1971]

I still think an exception should be made for the couple, regardless of what the SV party thinks. It really isn't going to cause anyone any inconvenience, as long as they don't take up too much of the beach.

[KikkiB]

Originally Posted by Larzen

thanks for translating

You can build in 100 metres sone if their is already a building there, which you rennovate (take down and rebuild). Now this can take some extremes when people stretch the laws, many places very old smal boat houses gets "renovated" to summercabines and sold for millions etc.

You're welcome! And for that 100 metres sone, you might just be right! The law isn't my strongest side :) And since I don't own any property either, I haven't bothered to read up on it. I've just noticed that it's been discussed in the media, but I haven't really payed attention to all the details (not that I think the media give us an objective opinion on such things either).

[norwegianne]

Originally Posted by KikkiB

(not that I think the media give us an objective opinion on such things either).

Of course they don't. They don't sell papers by having objective opinions on such things.

[sara1981]

Crown couple rocks the boat with holiday home plans
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1150784.ece

[mandyy]

Får SV mot seg
SV i Vest-Agder vil gjøre alt de kan for å stoppe kronprinsparets drøm om fritidsbolig på Flekkerøy ved Kristiansand
Jeg ser flere paralleller mellom Røkke-utbyggingen i Asker og den som vil komme hvis kronprinsparet opprettholder sitt ønske om å bygge en fritidsbolig på Flekkerøy, sier Gro Hareide, fylkesleder i Vest-Agder SV.

Det betyr i praksis at SV vil benytte alle klagemuligheter i reguleringssaken. Helt opp til departementet og miljøvernminister Helen Bjørnøy.

- Det er ikke en menneskerett å bygge hytte i strandsonen. Hvis kronprinsparet får ja til sitt byggeprosjekt, vil almenhetens mulighet til ferdsel begrenses i stor grad. Det blir dessuten et stort inngrep i naturen med stor bolig, inngjerding, hus til sikkerhetsfolk og større og nye veier, sier Gro Hareide...............
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ir...cle1197635.ece

Photo from Afterposten

Can someone translate this? Thx

[imogen]

Hello,

I'm new to the board. Thought I'd do the translation for you. I am Norwegian, but English is my everyday language. I live in the U.K.

Imogen.

SV to oppose

SV in Vest-Agder will do everything in its power to oppose the Crown Prince and Crown Princess' dream of building a holiday home at Flekkeroy near Kristiansand.

In reality this means that SV will make use of all avenues of complaint in the zoning application. All the way to the department and minister of the environment, Helen Bjornoy.

It's not a human right to build a holiday home in the beach area. If the Crown Prince and his wife are given permission for this building project, the public's right to roam will be greatly restricted. This will involve a big intrusion in the environment encompassing a large house, fencing, housing for their security staff and big, new roads, says Gro Hareide...



SV = Sosialistisk Venstreparti (translater's note)

[Emily]

First of all, welcome to the board, Imogen! And second, how very thoughtful of you to do that translation! Your English is excellent and I appreciate knowing what the article said!

[Pink Tulip]

I second that Emily! Welcome to the board imogen and thankyou so much for your great translation. :)

[mandyy]

Kronprinsparet får millionrabatt

Kristiansand kommune gir kronprinsparet en tomterabatt på flere millioner kroner for å få dem som feriegjester om sommeren.

- Jeg legger ikke skjul på at vi svært gjerne ønsker å få Norges fremtidige kongefamilie til byen. De vil profilere Kristiansand på en veldig god måte, og deres tilstedeværelse vil skape positive ringvirkninger for hele regionen, sier ordfører Jan Oddvar Skisland (kr.f.) til Aftenposten................
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ko...cle1206704.ece

Can someone translate this article? Thx!

Photo from Afterposten

[purple_platinum]

it's probably follow-up about the issue already explained by KikkiB, here
and further discussed, here

[mandyy]

Hyttedrøm kan bli stoppet
Hvis kronprinsparet skal bygge sommerbolig på Flekkerøy, må Kristiansand kommune rive et nasjonalt kulturminne. Det fraråder Riksantikvaren.
Et funkishus fra 1936 og et tilhørende naust står på en nasjonal verneplan som riksantikvar Nils Marstein personlig har vært involvert i. Det gamle naustet har allerede Kristiansand kommune gitt rivetillatelse til, og en ny sjøbod er bygget uten å ta hensyn til verneplanen.

- Riksantikvaren stiller seg bak planen og vi anbefaler fredning og vern av alle bygninger og objekter som er oppført i planen, sier Lisen Roll, seksjonssjef hos Riksantikvaren...........................
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ko...cle1224105.ece

Photos from Aftenposten

[susannem]

Would someone mind giving a brief summary of the article?

Thanks
Susanne

[Larzen]

The house that is located on the place they want to build their summerhouse is possible going to become protected and thus not allowed to be taken down. Its a funkis house from 1936 and might become protected because of its role as a building that is part of the telecommunication history (It was previously owned by the national broadcasting station). Its not listed as protected by Kristiansand city. An antiquarian hopes Kristiansand will not allow for the house to be taken down. The city says no decision has been taken, the city has not entered into a contract with the Crown Prince couple, that will not happen until the regulation is finnished. (Its all very complicated for me to explain in english)

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TV2 just showed pictures of Mette-Marit paying a private visit to Oslo Fashion Week last night, she saw the show of the Norwegian designduo So Hee http://www.sohee.no/

[susannem]

Thank you very much for the explanation.

Susanne