Will Marius get a title?

[KikkiB]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

While Marius cannot be a royal, maybe someday Haakon will grant him an aristocratic title if appropriate. He is the brother of a future Queen!

I have to disappoint you, since Norway doesn't have an aristocracy and thus no titles, Marius won't get one. It has been "extinct" since the mid 1850s (I think!)

But there is a large chance, IMO, that he might get a high position in the society through the connections he might establish through his relation to the royal family and thus the business life and official life in Norway. And he probably would get access to the college/university that he likes, because even if one doesn't want to people will give him a benefit since he is related to the royal family. To please the royal family so to speak. One can argue that people wont do such a thing in our days, but I think that deep inside people have some awe and respect of the royal family.

So he might be in the diplomatic corps, he might be in the military, he might be in business, he might be a carpenter, he might be a bus driver. Who knows?? Time will tell!

[hippiesheep]

I can't understand this discussion about Marius given a title. Would it make him a better person to be a prince or a duke or something like that?
Why can't he be respected for what he is, Marius Hoiby Borg, the son of Mette-Marit and Morten Borg?
IMHO it's as good as to be a prince...

[kate14]

Originally Posted by hippiesheep

I can't understand this discussion about Marius given a title. Would it make him a better person to be a prince or a duke or something like that?
Why can't he be respected for what he is, Marius Hoiby Borg, the son of Mette-Marit and Morten Borg?
IMHO it's as good as to be a prince...

Well Said, Hippiesheep. This topic never seems to END!

[lashinka2002]

Originally Posted by hippiesheep

I can't understand this discussion about Marius given a title. Would it make him a better person to be a prince or a duke or something like that?
Why can't he be respected for what he is, Marius Hoiby Borg, the son of Mette-Marit and Morten Borg?
IMHO it's as good as to be a prince...

I think if Marius gets a title he will be disrespected as a result by not only his peers but the public as well. Not a good idea. Your right, he is who he is, why change it? Unless Hakon adopts him but his fathers still alive so why would that happen?

[Sven-Fredrik]

Not a chance, in norway even the princess and princes dont get any other titles like duke or duchess as we do in sweden and many other monarchies.

[Her_Majesty]

Even Princess Märtha's little daughters didn't get any title. They just got the surname of their father. They are just Maud Angelica Behn and Leah Isadora Behn.

[Sven-Fredrik]

But she isn't a princess anymore, she has resigned her interference with the royal court of norway. Märtha louise is the black sheep of the family

[Princess Robijn]

She is a Princess, but not a Royal Highness.

[Her_Majesty]

Originally Posted by Sven-Fredrik

But she isn't a princess anymore, she has resigned her interference with the royal court of norway. Märtha louise is the black sheep of the family

Princess Ragnhild and Princess Astrid aren't Royal Highnesses either.
All 3, Princess Ragnhild, Princess Astrid and Princess Märtha lost their title as "Her Royal Highness" when they married commoners, but all 3 stayed "Princesses", as you can see in their profiles here: kongehuset.no - Kongefamilien
So, already 3 black sheep.

Apart from this: Mette-marit was not a Princess when Marius was born. and Marius' dad was not a prince. Prince Haakon didn't adopt Marius (as Morten Borg Hoiby still is Marius' dad and cares for him. As far as I know they have a good relationship).
So, why should Marius get a title?

He is completely included into the family. Even without any title. That's it.

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by Sven-Fredrik

But she isn't a princess anymore, she has resigned her interference with the royal court of norway. Märtha louise is the black sheep of the family

I didn't know that Martha-Louise is the black sheep of the family. Is that true?

I heard the King was displeased with some interview with Ragnhild but they made up but that's the last that I heard.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Her_Majesty

Princess Ragnhild and Princess Astrid aren't Royal Highnesses either.
All 3, Princess Ragnhild, Princess Astrid and Princess Märtha lost their title as "Her Royal Highness" when they married commoners, but all 3 stayed "Princesses", as you can see in their profiles here: kongehuset.no - Kongefamilien
it.

But Märtha Louise lost her Royal Highness already on 01.02.2002 3 1/2 months before her marriage and the official reason given was because of her private business.

[Sven-Fredrik]

Originally Posted by ysbel

I didn't know that Martha-Louise is the black sheep of the family. Is that true?

I heard the King was displeased with some interview with Ragnhild but they made up but that's the last that I heard.

Yes, she is considered as a black sheep. Ari Behn, her husband is an failed author and an ex-addict. She claims that she can speak with ghosts, she is also the first Norwegian royalty who has been in court in front of a judge. Märtha Louise resigned her title, she didn't lost it. But she still uses the title princess to promote her books.

The Norwegian court is indeed a very strange one.. In sweden it would be considered unequal not to grant Marius a title, but is he adopted by CP. Haakon?

[Her_Majesty]

Why is the Norwegian court a strange one?
I don't see any problem. I really don't.
Every Royal House handels their family business in another way. Actually think, that the Norwegian court is probably the most liberal one. They included Marius right from the beginning. (Just like Ari Behn.)

Märtha lost her title because she decided to marry Ari Behn.

As I said before:
Marius is NOT adopted by Haakon, because Marius has a very good relation to his father Morten.

[norwegianne]

I didn't know that Martha-Louise is the black sheep of the family. Is that true?

Not necessarily. Who the black sheep of the family seems to change accordingly to what the press wants to focus on.

Märtha Louise gave up her HRH status some months prior to her marriage, because she wanted to focus on her own creative talents and use them in a business, as mentioned by Stefan. If she hadn't done so, it seems likely that the same procedure as with her aunts, Ragnhild and Astrid, would have been followed - the same procedure which was copied in Sweden with Princess Margaretha, Mrs Ambler, Princess Christina Mrs Magnuson and Princess Desirée, Baroness Silfverschiöld.

Her correct name is Princess Märtha Louise - it is not merely something she uses to promote books.

I have to admit I'm not too fond of Ari Behn's books - but I would not consider him a failed author.

Marius is not adopted by Haakon.

All this being said - can we get back on topic? Märtha Louise and Ari have perfectly fine threads of their own in their own subforum, even Astrid and Ragnhild have threads of their own….

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Sven-Fredrik

Yes, she is considered as a black sheep. Ari Behn, her husband is an failed author and an ex-addict. She claims that she can speak with ghosts, she is also the first Norwegian royalty who has been in court in front of a judge. Märtha Louise resigned her title, she didn't lost it. But she still uses the title princess to promote her books.

The Norwegian court is indeed a very strange one.. In sweden it would be considered unequal not to grant Marius a title, but is he adopted by CP. Haakon?

As far as i know the norwegian King has no right to create Titles. So even if he would it is not possible for him to give marius an Title.

[norwegianne]

Originally Posted by Stefan

As far as i know the norwegian King has no right to create Titles. So even if he would it is not possible for him to give marius an Title.

He can create titles, but only for those who are in line to the throne, which Marius isn't. Considering that he hasn't created titles for Maud Angelica and Leah Isadora, both of whom are in line to the throne, and is downsizing Sverre Magnus' status, it doesn't seem plausible that he'd even hand out a title to Marius if he could.

[Next Star]

I don't think Marius will be able to recieve any type of title being he was not born a member of this family but became apart of this family through his mother's marriage to the prince.He is still accepted as a member of the family which is nice even though he carries no title at all.