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Old 08-22-2006, 01:27 PM
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It also says the one new thing that I learnt from this that the staff at the palace threated her badly after the engagement and that they would call her names behind her back, until the chief of the court called a meeting to have put a stop to it and took her around to meet and greet every singel staff of the palace.
Really?! I didn't know this, that is absolutely terrible and low - you can't sink much deeper! No matter their own personal feelings & preferences, that is no way for a professional to treat anyone!

Did Mette-Marit really greet every staff member of the Royal Palace? How many would that be, approximately? Not the whole Royal Court I guess, since probably not all of them work at the Royal Palace on a daily basis...
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Thank you Larzen for a summary of the documentary.

Grand Duchess I completely agree with you. Reading about the court's attitude reminds me of Princess Margarita's claim that the Dutch court was quite rude to Maxima when she first arrived. Many dismissed Margarita's claims but I can't help thinking that there's some truth to it, especially after reading about similar behavior from the Norwegian court.
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Old 08-22-2006, 01:56 PM
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Really?! I didn't know this, that is absolutely terrible and low - you can't sink much deeper! No matter their own personal feelings & preferences, that is no way for a professional to treat anyone!

Did Mette-Marit really greet every staff member of the Royal Palace? How many would that be, approximately? Not the whole Royal Court I guess, since probably not all of them work at the Royal Palace on a daily basis...
Let me be more presise. The writer from Dagbladet who wrote the book Mette-MArit in good days and bad days (the creativity in titles are staggering ) its an unauthorised, but fairly credible book, I would say.

he says in the docu that: There were strong forces working aginst her, there was people working against her inside the Palace, they did not understand why they should work for someone they did not consider worthy of the position, and they made up names behind her back (not all the staff but some of them)

How many at the staff, In 2005 there were 141 people sharing 131 full time appointments divided at the Palace, Skaugum farm, the open Palace, on top of that they rent guides and and extra help in the palace green house during the summer. and extra vaitors and chefs for big dinners. Here is the whole bunch anno 2002
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Old 08-22-2006, 02:04 PM
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That's awful that staff members treated her like that. It must have been an incredibly difficult time for her, as well as for Haakon.
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Old 08-22-2006, 02:54 PM
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I hope things have improved. Mette Marit has done a great job and deserves to be treated with respect (Not just because she's the Crownprincess). And I do think that most people can see what a good representative she is for Norway.
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Old 08-22-2006, 03:48 PM
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it's a real shame that they are doing this right now. it's also horrible to hear all the difficulties they had to overcome at the earliest stage, with all the hoff against them. it must have been a hard time. what really matters though is that now all of them seem to be quite comfortable with mm being princess and future queen.

i saw many of you are talking about a so-called "the video". what is it that you mean? the documentary or another video? could you please explain me?
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"The video" is a video made by Mette Marits ex-boyfriend (John Ognby) in the middle of the 90's, that is supposed to contain damaging matereal.
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Well, I don't consider the initial objections and concerns of the Norwegian people unreasonable.

As for the staff, their initial resentment was not unreasonable either. Consider:

Staff: showing up for work everyday, earning an honest living, probably with a good education

M-M: parties, drugs, promiscuous, very spotty work record, little education

Who do you think should be elevated to and is deserving of a life of priviledge and wealth and should represent Norway in international gatherings?

I also don't think the "poor Mette-Marit" label does apply either since she brought this discontent on herself. How did she expect people would react? I do agree, however, it is done and should not be relived over and over. That is why I don't understand why she agreed to the upcoming book.

Haakon took a big gamble and lucky for him for most part it has paid off. Aside from the tantrum at the airport and showing up in jeans on the red carpet, no major gaffes. Alas, her work schedule always seems pitiful, describing her as lazy is not that far off. Never mind three children, afterall she has a nanny, and I bet she does not do her own housework/cooking either.
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:06 PM
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Well, I don't consider the initial objections and concerns of the Norwegian people unreasonable.

As for the staff, their initial resentment was not unreasonable either. Consider:

Staff: showing up for work everyday, earning an honest living, probably with a good education

M-M: parties, drugs, promiscuous, very spotty work record, little education

Who do you think should be elevated to and is deserving of a life of priviledge and wealth and should represent Norway in international gatherings?

I also don't think the "poor Mette-Marit" label does apply either since she brought this discontent on herself. How did she expect people would react? I do agree, however, it is done and should not be relived over and over. That is why I don't understand why she agreed to the upcoming book.

Haakon took a big gamble and lucky for him for most part it has paid off. Aside from the tantrum at the airport and showing up in jeans on the red carpet, no major gaffes. Alas, her work schedule always seems pitiful, describing her as lazy is not that far off. Never mind three children, afterall she has a nanny, and I bet she does not do her own housework/cooking either.
If someone is going to work for royalty they should understand the fact that people are going to be elevated based on their birth or their marriage. If they don't like that, they really shouldn't work for royalty. Just because someone doesn't approve of their past doesn't mean they should call someone names and be nasty to them. The fact is the staff is employed by the royal house. Therefore, the royal family are their bosses. Part of being an employee is treating your boss with respect, no matter what your private opinion of them may be. If I went to work and called my boss or their spouse names and was rude to them I would expect to be reprimanded at the very least and possibly fired.
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:34 PM
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I said that I understand the staff's resentment, or rather that their resentment was not unreasonable, not that I agree with their actions.
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:44 PM
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I said that I understand the staff's resentment, or rather that their resentment was not unreasonable, not that I agree with their actions.
But you also made it sound like Mette-Marit didn't deserve any sympathy for the fact that the staff was mean to her. You said "she brought this discontent on herself." Sure she partied, but if she knew she would eventually become Crown Princess do you really think she would have partied as much? I think that it's too bad that the staff could not have taken the high road, and tried to help out a young women who was going from being an unknown single mother to one of the most famous women in the nation. I think it's easy to understand why people are sympathetic to a women who had all her skeletons aired in front of the world, and now we find out that at the same time she had to deal with mean staff.
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:54 PM
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What makes us think that Mette Marit was "promiscous" because she had a son out of wedlock? From what I understand, Norway has high percentage of "out of wedlock" births (please note that I am not sitting in judgement of Norwegians just making a statement). If that is the case, wouldn't she be the norm instead of an outcast so to speak. And while I don't condone the drug use, I think Mette Marit actions as a younger women..partying and spotty work ethic is more in tune with her age. Not to say that all young people act in such a manner...but she was definitely not the exception.

In addition, from my experience I have found people who work for and/with people with money to be more snobby than those who actually have it.

As for her boyfriend making a tape...well..it makes you think twice about who you date doesn't it? I mean, who knows what any of us will be doing in a few years time. I would hate for something I did five years ago to come back to haunt me.

Please note that I am making a general statement..this is not directed to Sylla.
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Old 08-22-2006, 06:30 PM
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Well, I don't consider the initial objections and concerns of the Norwegian people unreasonable.

As for the staff, their initial resentment was not unreasonable either. Consider:

Staff: showing up for work everyday, earning an honest living, probably with a good education

M-M: parties, drugs, promiscuous, very spotty work record, little education

Who do you think should be elevated to and is deserving of a life of priviledge and wealth and should represent Norway in international gatherings?

I also don't think the "poor Mette-Marit" label does apply either since she brought this discontent on herself. How did she expect people would react? I do agree, however, it is done and should not be relived over and over. That is why I don't understand why she agreed to the upcoming book.

Haakon took a big gamble and lucky for him for most part it has paid off. Aside from the tantrum at the airport and showing up in jeans on the red carpet, no major gaffes. Alas, her work schedule always seems pitiful, describing her as lazy is not that far off. Never mind three children, afterall she has a nanny, and I bet she does not do her own housework/cooking either.
Sylla, I wholly to agree with you in some parts- I really like MM but we all are responsible for our actions, past and present. You have to own up to your actions-that is just being a responsible adult.In regards to her "past"- She has come a long way but some people will remember her past, regardless; that is something that she's just going to have to live with. she has developed the thick skin to deal w/ it it seems. In regards to her schedule- well, she is the crown princess and can choose what she wants to devote her time to- like fighting/raising awareness about AIDS in developing countries. Her intents are true and THAT is something admirable...
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Old 08-22-2006, 07:14 PM
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Kwanfan, I could bet that M-M laid awake many nights regretting her actions once it became clear she was going to be crownprincess. Does she deserve sympathy because the staff was so mean to her? I really don't know. I think it was unprofessional and childish for the staff to act this way, but it appears the chief handled it well.

M-M admitted to promiscuouity, in an indirect way of course, during her "confession" just before the wedding. Not knowing Norwegion myself, I have to take the word of a translation I have read.

I don't think anyone should be surprised at her few and far between duties, since she has had a poor work ethic prior to becoming a member of the RF.

To me she is the most interesting of the cps to follow, probably because the odds of her succeeding were not in her favor. She still has a ways to go to become an accomplished, confident crownprincess. I think she tries very hard, but I can imagine it can't be easy to be confident and proud when this baggage called her past won't go away.
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Did the king and queen respond favorably to MM before the engagement? I am sure she was not their first choice for their son. She has come a long way and the past should be left in teh past. why rehash it all again?
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The link below is an article about this anonymous ex-boyfriend of Mette-Marit's who supposedly has damaging or compromising video and photos of her. He has never spoken to the press but this article says he was reported to police by MM for threats in 1995 after their break-up. He also has several criminal convictions for drug related crimes and assault.

link: http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...icle183087.ece
source: Aftenposten; August 24, 2001
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As explained above he is no longer anonymous, he has been on the cover of dagbladet saying he has a private video/pictures but does not want to hurt her, or something along those lines, cant find it right now but it should be posted here somewhere. She does not say she lived promiscuisly, in the "confession press conference" she says she was in an environment where it was tested and they went across borders/lines (which is very open for interpetations). In the docu the reporter and author formerly working for Se og Hør said her Ex boyfirends was a chapter of its own, so we can assume there were more than a couple.
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I think that she is a great lady, she does her job good, she is a loving mother and wife. They are so in love , they have wonderful family together. The only sad thing is that whatever she will do some people will always bring her past out.It is a human thing to make mistakes, but most importent to learn from them.Anyway i think she will survive anything , because her husband is next to her, he is her rock, her true love, they are married for 5 years and they still look so in love, like they just met.They are family now with three great kids so good luck to them!!!and a HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO HAAKON AND METTE-MARIT and many, many more years to come.
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I guess the point I was trying to make is that the ex-boyfriend has a violent past including alleged threats toward MM. I would hope that anything he might have on her would be illegal to publish since MM would not give her permission to have whatever video or photos he has of her circulated. I would think that the NRF would pursue any legal options to prevent a man with an allegedly violent past with drug convictions from harming the CPss in such a public way but after reading some of the comments from the recent documentary it's safe to say that some of the courtiers would like nothing better than to embarrass MM.

I personally think this constant holding her hostage to her past is the reason that, imo, MM has not flourished in her role as CPss. She's constantly holding back and I saw that in her speech in Toronto during the recent HIV/AIDS conference. Even though she did a great job giving the speech, imo, she lacks the confidence I think a CPss, after 5 years of marriage, should have by now.
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hmmmmmm, shame there isn't "off with their head" anymore- isn't threats toward a crown princess treason? what a jerk- as most ex boyfriends tend to be. she's a wonderful mother, loves her husband, tries to do good and will never get a break from some people no matter what she does. i wish people would leave their happy family alone. she seems painfully shy to me and the lack of confidence could tie into that.
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