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Old 11-08-2005, 05:34 PM
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I think what SkyDragon means is that whatever the previous monarchs did, everything changed with Henry VIII when he created his own church. The Church of England was created to allow Henry to re-marry. But really, all this is by the by because C and C are married already. And so all the rest comes naturally.
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:38 PM
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I not understand your point
You said "the monarchy have 1203 years old from EGBERT, from him there was no king without being married according to church."

As Henry changed the church, your statement can not apply.
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yes, said King Cynowulf of Wessex was the fisrt king (was the first king of wessex) but Egbert (king of wessex) was the first king of engand. I notsay nothing abuot the church.
Henry change the church for marry to bolena, but i posted abuot the kings of wessex
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:39 PM
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I think what SkyDragon means is that whatever the previous monarchs did, everything changed with Henry VIII when he created his own church. The Church of England was created to allow Henry to re-marry. But really, all this is by the by because C and C are married already. And so all the rest comes naturally.
Exactly, Thank You.:) They will make wonderful monarchs.
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:40 PM
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no, I said that monarchy has 1203 years and any the kings married according to civilian and not by church. All married for the church, the Christian and the protestant when Henry changed it.
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:44 PM
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Here Here! To be honest, I can't believe we're going over this 'Will she be Queen' buisness when we all know the answer. Whatever we feel, whatever we would like her to be or not to be for that matter - she will be Queen. And he will be King. And thats it. There's no chance of William coming first, Anne taking over, the Archbishop refusing the Crown, the Government passing a law to stop her becoming Queen etc etc.

It's time to stop clutching at straws and accept it.
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:47 PM
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look, is very simple look back in the history. the monarchy have 1203 years old from EGBERT, from him there was no king without being married according to church. I do not say this, is in history.
I must have misunderstood the post. I read it as saying that without being married according to the church, Egbert and subsequent Kings could not be Kings:)
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There's no chance of William coming first.
Why he no have chance?
the final decision is in queen's hand, not us.
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:49 PM
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Here Here! To be honest, I can't believe we're going over this 'Will she be Queen' buisness when we all know the answer. Whatever we feel, whatever we would like her to be or not to be for that matter - she will be Queen. And he will be King. And thats it. There's no chance of William coming first, Anne taking over, the Archbishop refusing the Crown, the Government passing a law to stop her becoming Queen etc etc.

It's time to stop clutching at straws and accept it.
Beautifully put as usual!:)
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What is everyone's thought on this?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051108...a_051108134040

Do you think it's time to seperate the Crown from the Church of England? Even Charles has said that he wants to be "Defender of Faith," not "Defender of the Faith"...
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I'm sorry! I didn't read the thread back far enough!
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:52 PM
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Why he no have chance?
the final decision is in queen's hand, not us.
No it isn't. Unless Charles dies, William will not become King before him. Succession doesn't skip anyone. When the Queen dies, Charles will automatically become King. If after an hour, he abdicates in favour of William, he will still have been the King if only for an hour.

Thats the facts. The Queen cannot cut her son out of the succession. Its determined by God - not by man.
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I must have misunderstood the post. I read it as saying that without being married according to the church, Egbert and subsequent Kings could not be Kings:)
the lineis successory, if the father is king, the son at some moment will be king
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:53 PM
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Why he no have chance?
the final decision is in queen's hand, not us.
The Queen has absolutly no say or controll what so ever over succesion. If that is not clear enough than I do not know what is. The LAW of the land says that Charles and Camilla will be King and Queen Consort when the present Queen Regent dies. The Queen has no say whatsovere. The law is law.
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:56 PM
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Why he no have chance?
the final decision is in queen's hand, not us.
It isn't the Queen's choice, it's a matter of the law.
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the law is the law, I agree, but the queen is the unique person who can ask charles who abdicates if she considers that is the best thing for the crown or no. For that reason I say thatis into the hands of the queen, no us.
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No it isn't. Unless Charles dies, William will not become King before him. Succession doesn't skip anyone. When the Queen dies, Charles will automatically become King. If after an hour, he abdicates in favour of William, he will still have been the King if only for an hour.

Thats the facts. The Queen cannot cut her son out of the succession. Its determined by God - not by man.
No it ain't. It's determined by the government. Much as Tony Blair might think he's God, I don't think things have gone that far.
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It is still not in the Queens hand. The Queen will be dead when Charles is King. She will not be there to tell him to abdicate. And the Queen has shown herslef to be trying to help Charles and Camilla be accepted as future King and Queen. She is working hard to present them in a good picture. She supports her son completly. The Queen has no say.
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the law is the law, I agree, but the queen is the unique person who can ask charles who abdicates if she considers that is the best thing for the crown or no. For that reason I say thatis into the hands of the queen, no us.
Well, if that sort of wishful thinking is important to you, you can carry on fantasising if you really want to. But the Queen, unlike some other people, will be looking at a broader view than just the fact that some people still have a need to punish Charles for what happened to Diana. And, let's face it, that's what this is all about when it's being promoted by people who are die-hard Diana fans. It isn't about the good of the country, it's simply a desire for payback.
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No it isn't. Unless Charles dies, William will not become King before him. Succession doesn't skip anyone. When the Queen dies, Charles will automatically become King. If after an hour, he abdicates in favour of William, he will still have been the King if only for an hour.

Thats the facts. The Queen cannot cut her son out of the succession. Its determined by God - not by man.


I think Beatrixfan ment that it is in Gods hand that, if you do believe in God, only he can controll who is born into the Royal Family. No one but God chooses who is in the RF and who will be the future monarch. I think thats where By The Grace of God come from.
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