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Old 02-22-2011, 05:37 PM
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And if they paid for the cost themselves, would you accept a visit?
They made a donation to the relief fund after the floods, i'm sure they will do the same this time.
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:53 PM
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It would be nice if they would introduce themselves to the people who live in the UK. Yes, it's nice they're going to visit Canada. But, what about Huddersfield, York, Durham, Blackpool, the Lake District and all the other people in England who may never have the opportunity to see them?
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Old 02-22-2011, 07:00 PM
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And if they paid for the cost themselves, would you accept a visit?
They made a donation to the relief fund after the floods, i'm sure they will do the same this time.

It isn't up to me to accept them - but frankly I see no reason for foreigners to come and gawp at our tragedy in the name of sympathising with the suffering here.
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Old 02-22-2011, 07:01 PM
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It would be nice if they would introduce themselves to the people who live in the UK. Yes, it's nice they're going to visit Canada. But, what about Huddersfield, York, Durham, Blackpool, the Lake District and all the other people in England who may never have the opportunity to see them?

I didn't know that Charles and Camilla were going to Canada as well as William and Kate.
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Old 02-22-2011, 07:11 PM
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People go on and on about how much money goes into a visit, and yet it is spread out right across the board that the cost to the inadvidual taxpayer is so incredibly low.

Physical representation to any such affected areas at an appropriate time would be appropriate.

Until any such time that Australia has removed the monarchy, then there is no reason why the heir to this throne should not undertake a visit by either invitation, or by pursuing that option at his own request.

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but frankly I see no reason for foreigners to come and gawp at our tragedy in the name of sympathising with the suffering here.
Your opinion and of course you're welcome too it but I think it rather poor to suggest that foreigners, be it some that are of constitutional significance in this commonwealth, should not visit and be able to empathise with people affected by natural tragedy in person. Gawp at our tragedy? A perfecly frivolous statement.

Looking beyond ones own prejudice and recognising that it can do good for the spirits of many having someone with such a profile take interest in their community is what should be considered.

It's not a monarchist issue, it's not a republican issue. It is something which should be done because it would be an appropriate thing to do.

The Princess Royal made a visit to attend a state memorial that was held two or so weeks after the Black Saturday Bushfires and the press and community spoke very favourably of her 24 hour visit on behalf of the Queen. She also visited affected communities and people were very excited to have her there expressing very real concern and interest.

Whether some wish to acknoweldge it or not, it does mean something.

@ KittyAtlanta...

You make a very good point.
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Old 02-22-2011, 07:24 PM
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Before the tragic earthquake, I was quite hoping that Charles and Camilla wld go to New Zealand soon. There is an election coming up in November, perhaps they can come after that and open parliament? Has the Queen ever sent a member of the royal family to open parliament before?
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:17 PM
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Isn't Prince Charles rather concerned about his carbon footprint? That's how I understood his speech on February 9. Of course, there are modern commercial airplanes that have a much lower impact than say, motoring about by car across the entire North American continent, but perhaps PC wants to set an example?

I think New Zealand could use help and sympathy, but I wonder if Prince Charles wants to spend carbon if he can avoid it. I think he's trying very hard to be an example in that sort of thing.

Is it true they are coming to Canada?
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William and Catherine are visiting Canada, not Charles and Camilla.

And if the duo can visit the US, Canada, Asia minor and Middle East, then I find the argument of carbon footprint to be a poor one in relation to visiting Commonwealth countries that he currently stands to "inherit".
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Old 02-22-2011, 10:10 PM
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William and Catherine are visiting Canada, not Charles and Camilla.

And if the duo can visit the US, Canada, Asia minor and Middle East, then I find the argument of carbon footprint to be a poor one in relation to visiting Commonwealth countries that he currently stands to "inherit".

Of course those countries actually invite him and the Commonwealth ones don't so he can't simply turn up. That says a lot in itself with many reports suggesting that he won't become the next Head of the Commonwealth.
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Old 02-23-2011, 06:04 AM
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It would be nice if they would introduce themselves to the people who live in the UK. Yes, it's nice they're going to visit Canada. But, what about Huddersfield, York, Durham, Blackpool, the Lake District and all the other people in England who may never have the opportunity to see them?
C&C typically undertake two major official trips abroad a year, and spend a fair amount of time over the rest of the year carrying out engagements across the UK. Forexample, at the time of the foot and mouth crisis, Charles went to the Lake District to highlight the problems and to promote tourism. similarly, parts of Yorkshire were flooded a few years ago, and Charles visited. Camilla was recently in Birmingham carrying out engagements. Every year, they spend a week in Wales, and some time in Cornwall carrying out engagements. You only have to look at their schedules to get a sense of how much they typically travel within the UK as well.
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Old 03-09-2011, 09:56 AM
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Prince William is to pay a visit to New Zealand and to Australia on behalf of The Queen following the natural disasters in both countries. Prince William will visit following invitations extended by the Prime Minister of New Zealand and the Prime Minister of Australia.

IMO, it should be Charles, not William. And, ideally, it should be Charles and Camilla. They have avoided us long enough, IMO. It has been alleged that Charles fears his wife will not be well received here. Well to that I say, "Man up, Charles; suck it and see!".

It is Charles who will be our next Head of State, not William. Our country will be a republic long before William is King, so he will never be our monarch. Yet he is the one who has apparently been invited by our government. Squeaky clean, son-of-Diana, newly-engaged-William. I wonder about that, because I am by nature skeptical, and I am sure it is not that simple, and that there have been, and are, soopersekrit telecons and/or emails fluttering between our countries.

Australians are very forgiving people, but we do recognise an attempt to hoodwink us, or play us for fools, whether it is by our own government, or upper class Brits. Especially by upper class Brits, for we have much practice with that, and we enjoy that game.
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:37 AM
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Not sure I agree with the reasons you refer to, but I certainly agree that C&C do need to spend some time ion Arustralia and NZ. I hate to put it like this,, but the recent disasters would have been a perfect opportunity for them to visit. Perhaps they will accompany HM and the DoE to he CHOGM meeting in Australia later this year.
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IMO, it should be Charles, not William. And, ideally, it should be Charles and Camilla. They have avoided us long enough, IMO. It has been alleged that Charles fears his wife will not be well received here. Well to that I say, "Man up, Charles; suck it and see!".

It is Charles who will be our next Head of State, not William. Our country will be a republic long before William is King, so he will never be our monarch. Yet he is the one who has apparently been invited by our government. Squeaky clean, son-of-Diana, newly-engaged-William. I wonder about that, because I am by nature skeptical, and I am sure it is not that simple, and that there have been, and are, soopersekrit telecons and/or emails fluttering between our countries.

Australians are very forgiving people, but we do recognise an attempt to hoodwink us, or play us for fools, whether it is by our own government, or upper class Brits. Especially by upper class Brits, for we have much practice with that, and we enjoy that game.
I must say I do agree with much of what you have said, Roslyn. I stated much the same in response to the topic which transcended in another thread. However, I do believe the invitation was extended to Her Majesty at which point it was decided between her, Charles and William that he would make the visit. At least that's what's being reported in the media.

Not that Camilla should ever hold any constitutional significance within this Commonwealth, but the absence, infact, the evident dismisal (impo) to even contemplate visiting as a couple, is starting to become a joke.

The fact they have undertaken so many visits abroad, and lengthy ones at that, does not boast well for what is a perceivable reluctance to visit this continent. A place that Charles proclaims to hold in such 'high' and 'sentimental' regard. Actions speak louder than words, don't cha know!

It's true that during her life, Diana was well regarded here by many. That's an unavoidable truth. But she was idolised in the US, and Canada, and yet official visits to these two nations have been undertaken with very little concern for 'unforseen unpleasantness'. The problem here is that Clarence House and Buckingham Palace have allowed a sense of hesitation to build by not doing their part (again, imo) to make any such visit happen. The longer you put something off, the more intimidating the prospect can become and I do believe this is what's happening. More like, It's what's happened.

As popular as William may be here, in comparison to his father, it is, as you say, not he who is in line to next inherit. Yet they seem content (intent ?) on allowing him do the groundwork on his fathers behalf. Infact, undertaking his father's responsibilities as heir to this throne I suppose you could say.

As I've said before, William is personable, young and fresh and I genuinely like him for the person he appears to be at such a distance. Naturally he will be more popular and present an image of a 21st centiury royal which will undoubtedly appeal to a good many people, BUT, he isn't his father and his father needs to reflect a little and establish a renewed sense of Commonwealth service beyond Canada.
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Old 03-09-2011, 05:09 PM
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I agree with Rosyln and Madame Royale - the appropriate person to represent Her Majesty in New Zealand and Australia at this time is Charles. I also believe that the reason he isn't is that they are unsure of Camilla's reception.

When the Black Saturday memorial was held Charles was overseas, elsewhere, so, understandably, the Princess Royal visited. There is no reason offered for his lack of interest, this time.

Prince William, as welcome as he is, is a PR plus for the Family and I understand that. However, it says little for Charles' sense of responsibility towards his future subjects that he ignores them at this time. It is not well done of him. His mother would never put her personal wishes before her duty and as it's been reported in the past that Charles worries about 'losing' Australia, his decision to stay at home, given that the Palace has decided that a royal visit of condolence is to take place, will be very poorly viewed.

Personally, knowing how shockingly some suffered in Queensland's devastating floods, the immense tragedy and destruction in New Zealand,and those being assailed again in Queensland and still suffering in Victoria, I feel somewhat miffed that Charles hasn't seen fit to come himself.
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Considering Camilla's known dislike of the heat why would you want them to have a retreat in a climate in which she would be uncomfortable?
She does not have a 'dislike of the heat' while cruising the Greek islands on vacation in the summer. The dislike of the heat strangely only occurs when work is involved
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Old 03-09-2011, 07:38 PM
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How many times does it have to be pointed out that it is the Queen in conjunction with the Prime Minister & Cabinet Office who decides which member of the royal family is sent where. Prince Charles doesn't get a say in the matter. This was pointed out by Jonathan Dimbleby in his biography of Prince Charles many years ago. If the Queen doesn't want C&C to go to Australia - particularly Camilla - in case she proves to be as well received as she was in Canada there isn't much that Charles can do about it. If they were both afraid to go why do they both make a point of attending Australia day celebrations etc. at the Embassy in London. It all seems to me to be part of the same myth that is propagated by Buckingham Palace that Prince charles isn't interested in the Commonwealth. This myth was knocked on the head in 2000 in an interview with The Guardian newspaper by a Foreign Office aide accompanying Charles on a visit to Jamaica, Trinidad & Tobago & Guyana. The Foreign Office aide expressly stated that Charles was very keen for himself to develop stronger links with the Commonwealth but the Queen & her advisors weren't - and this was a long time before Charles married Camilla.
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If HM is indeed the reason Charles and Camilla re not coming, then I believe she has made an error of judgment on this occasion.
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I'm sorry to disagree with you, BellaFay.

The Cabinet Office(s) in question in this matter is Australia's and New Zealand's, and it's most improbable that they would ask for William in lieu of Charles - Charles is the next monarch, after all, and while this country is a constitutional monarchy, we manage things according to custom and protocol. Visits of condolence are the initiative of the Palace, which requests on Her Majesty's behalf if one would be welcomed. It is hardly likely that either government would say no.

No matter what Jonathan Dimbleby said years ago, the British PM and his cabinet has little say in who visits what Commonwealth country or when. Naturally, the government needs to approve senior royals leaving the country, but that's another matter. The British government has no say at all in the Royal Family's accepting invitations to or expressing a wish to visit one of Her Majesty's realms, i.e. the British government has no authority or power to bestow or deny such visits from the Queen of Australia, the Queen of Canada and the Queen of New Zealand. Visits to foreign countries may well be different as there are usually Foreign Affairs considerations and implications.

The appropriate royal in the current circumstances would have been Charles. If concern about Camilla's reception is indeed the reason that he's not coming, then the palace has seriously misjudged the Australian, and dare I say it, New Zealand people. It's difficult enough supporting the monarchy in this country as it is. A perceived slight won't help matters.

William, of course, is always welcome, in any circumstance.
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She does not have a 'dislike of the heat' while cruising the Greek islands on vacation in the summer. The dislike of the heat strangely only occurs when work is involved

The heat on a curise is very different to the dry heat in Middle Eastern countries as there is often a breeze and air conditioning nearby. On official engagements in the Middle East and other hot countries it can mean hours in the heat with little or no relief - a very different situation to one where a person can get up and go inside to air conditioned comfort after a few minutes if they wish.,

She does dislike the heat (as do many people). It isn't strange to find that if affects her more when she is working to when she is relaxing. It is quite normal actually.
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If they were both afraid to go why do they both make a point of attending Australia day celebrations etc. at the Embassy in London.
Easily answered. Such functions do not require their physical presence in Australia. The advantage of being on home soil I'm affraid.

I do not believe their attendance at the occasional event in London, adequately reflects a commitment which should be otherwise be expressed in person.

Charles could very well express interest to travel here, not as a representative of his mother, but for his own means and purposes.

I truly can't fault those who suggest, and often feel, that the Prince of Wales can be a man of exaggerated substance at times. He's perfectly good at talking the talk, but not always so keen to walk the walk.

Without doubt, there is a reason beyond an 'in house selection process', which continues to keep Charles at bay. And certainly, it's not hard to acknowledge what infact that reason is likely to be.

And that is something Australian's are very good at picking up on, and I assure you, it's not at all endearing and only continues to affirm what it is a good many Australian's have come to feel, certainly in recent years. That the man really is an isolated figure who is very much disconnected with this continent and her peoples.
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