Title for Camilla - Part 4

[iowabelle]

I can't see the Archbishop of Canterbury refusing to annoint the next monarch ... there have been some truly reprehensible characters who were crowned without any protest from the clerics. I have to agree, this might open a whole new can of worms about the relationship between the Crown, the church and the people, that Dr. Williams might not wish to pursue.

[scooter]

Originally Posted by iowabelle

I can't see the Archbishop of Canterbury refusing to annoint the next monarch ... there have been some truly reprehensible characters who were crowned without any protest from the clerics. I have to agree, this might open a whole new can of worms about the relationship between the Crown, the church and the people, that Dr. Williams might not wish to pursue.

Yes but back then :
1. The King held true power in the land
2. The subjects held true ignorance in the land

[Elspeth]

Yes but back then the church held a lot more power too, so major decisions by the Archbishop of Canterbury would have carried a lot more weight. Nowadays if the Church tries to meddle in the succession, the Church will come off the loser.

Look, you might as well get used to it - if Charles is alive when the Queen dies, he'll become King, and if he's still alive when Coronation Day rolls around, he'll be crowned. Doesn't matter how hard you wish it was otherwise; it isn't going to happen otherwise. There's more at stake than people wanting to see Charles and Camilla humiliated on Diana's account.

[jcbcode99]

Originally Posted by Elspeth

There's more at stake than people wanting to see Charles and Camilla humiliated on Diana's account.

Well, Elspeth, I think you have summed up, exceptionally well might I add, one of the Great Debates on The Royal Forums--we may as well close the thread now

[muriel]

Originally Posted by jcbcode99

Well, Elspeth, I think you have summed up, exceptionally well might I add, one of the Great Debates on The Royal Forums--we may as well close the thread now

Fair point, and very well said!

[scooter]

Originally Posted by jcbcode99

Well, Elspeth, I think you have summed up, exceptionally well might I add, one of the Great Debates on The Royal Forums--we may as well close the thread now

Why must everything be about Diana? Is it not possible that some people dont like/respect Charles and Camilla because of certain past behavior? I would list the well documented past behavior I am talking about, but a moderator indicated that it might cause TRF to be sued. I certainly wouldnt want that. So you will have to content your self with this: There was a transcript published all over the world...CNN, ITV, FOX, BBC.... And lets just say that there is an audio recording, so there is no doubt of those persons involved.

[jcbcode99]

Originally Posted by scooter

Why must everything be about Diana? Is it not possible that some people dont like/respect Charles and Camilla because of certain past behavior? I would list the well documented past behavior I am talking about, but a moderator indicated that it might cause TRF to be sued. I certainly wouldnt want that. So you will have to content your self with this: There was a transcript published all over the world...CNN, ITV, FOX, BBC.... And lets just say that there is an audio recording, so there is no doubt of those persons involved.

Elspeth, I would like to preface this by saying I'm only answering a question which as been put to me and am not deliberately inciting a riot or what-have-you here so please don't fuss on me...

Scooter, you ask why must everything be about Diana--and the answer is quite simple: because in the past everything has been about Diana, or rather those that continue to believe they speak for her. While I do think that Camilla choosing to use the Duchess of Cornwall title had more to do with her respect for the memory of her step-children, I also think that pressure from the Diana-its (who made it all about Diana--loudly) did cause the cave from Clarence House. I also think that if Camilla does instead become known as HRH The Princess Consort it will be because of pressure and outcries from those who continue to make it all about Diana. I am not discounting Diana's role as the mother of the future monarch, or her place in history, but to decide that Camilla cannot be Queen because, inadvertently, of Diana, is really a touch trivial. More important things are at stake here than the memory of a divorced spouse of the British Royal Family--precedence, tradition, and the law. I think that it is a clear cut thing right now--if Charles ascends she becomes Queen by right of marriage. In order to make it anything less requires letters patents, laws, meetings, etc..... it is all entirely too complicated and tricky.

[Elspeth]

Originally Posted by jcbcode99

Elspeth, I would like to preface this by saying I'm only answering a question which as been put to me and am not deliberately inciting a riot or what-have-you here so please don't fuss on me...

Elspeth, the British Forum terrorist....

oh what joy

[Elspeth]

Originally Posted by scooter

Why must everything be about Diana? Is it not possible that some people dont like/respect Charles and Camilla because of certain past behavior? I would list the well documented past behavior I am talking about, but a moderator indicated that it might cause TRF to be sued. I certainly wouldnt want that. So you will have to content your self with this: There was a transcript published all over the world...CNN, ITV, FOX, BBC.... And lets just say that there is an audio recording, so there is no doubt of those persons involved.

You mean, certain past behaviour that didn't have anything to do with Diana? This would be past behaviour pre-1980, presumably. If it was behaviour after the Wales marriage, then of course it had to do with Diana.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by scooter

Why must everything be about Diana? Is it not possible that some people dont like/respect Charles and Camilla because of certain past behavior? I would list the well documented past behavior I am talking about, but a moderator indicated that it might cause TRF to be sued. I certainly wouldnt want that. So you will have to content your self with this: There was a transcript published all over the world...CNN, ITV, FOX, BBC.... And lets just say that there is an audio recording, so there is no doubt of those persons involved.

We all know the transcript, right. But I for one are not interested in the sexual preferences of other people when it comes to like them or respect them. The Prince of Wales has done so much good in his life, that warrants my respect, here I see his contribution to his people and his country. I'm not interested in his pillowtalk as this is his private life, it's no part of his place in the community of people.

[CasiraghiTrio]

That audio tape was so embarrassing. I was so humiliated for him about that. I can't imagine, how that tape being heard by everyone would just make me cringe for him and Camilla. I would just die if it was me. I could never go on in public, I don't think so. I am so relieved I'm not royal.

[Menarue]

Whether people want it or not, and I am fairly sure they will want it, the person who matters is Charles when he is King. He will make Camilla Queen and quite rightly so.

[Mermaid1962]

Ah, but the King of the UK can't override the wishes of the majority of the people. If people are really opposed to a Queen Camilla in 10 years time--which I doubt--Charles might find some the Prime Minister knocking on his door with urgent business.

Originally Posted by Menarue

Whether people want it or not, and I am fairly sure they will want it, the person who matters is Charles when he is King. He will make Camilla Queen and quite rightly so.

[branchg]

Originally Posted by Mermaid1962

Ah, but the King of the UK can't override the wishes of the majority of the people. If people are really opposed to a Queen Camilla in 10 years time--which I doubt--Charles might find some the Prime Minister knocking on his door with urgent business.

Exactly. There is no doubt Charles will have no choice in the matter. If the public is opposed, the Prime Minister will advise the Crown, which is compelled to accept it.

Since Camilla has already made it clear she wishes to be HRH The Princess Consort, rather than Queen, it would seem Charles will once again have to learn to get in touch with reality.

[wbenson]

Originally Posted by branchg

Exactly. There is no doubt Charles will have no choice in the matter. If the public is opposed, the Prime Minister will advise the Crown, which is compelled to accept it.

I don't think they would be so greatly opposed for the government to be concerned about it without a pretty big scandal moving that opinion. The most opposition I can see right now is around 60% of people somewhat mildly being opposed, most of whom will stop caring by the time the sun sets.

[Madame Royale]

Originally Posted by wbenson

I don't think they would be so greatly opposed for the government to be concerned about it without a pretty big scandal moving that opinion. The most opposition I can see right now is around 60% of people somewhat mildly being opposed, most of whom will stop caring by the time the sun sets.

Which would be (is ?) quite the percentage of people, whether mildly opposed or otherwise. That's not something that could be blindly overlooked in any way, shape or form. 10 years from now, who knows how people will react to the likeliness of a Queen Camilla, but let us not dismiss, though none of us know for certain (only what is intended) what infact HRH wants and it could very well be that Camilla wishes to be known as HRH the Princess Consort.

I don't claim to know what will happen when their time comes, or the mood that'll ensue, but if Charles were to succeed tomorrow (of course that won't be happening), then Princess Consort I believe she'd be.

[Menarue]

I "third" her questioning.

[wbenson]

I don't think anyone who really and truly yearned for the title of Queen would be very good at the job, myself.

[Menarue]

I think that one of the main reasons that Prince Charles and Camilla get on so well together is that she accepts his decisions and respects his wishes. If he wants her to be Queen she will agree of that I have no doubt.

[Menarue]

I think most British people when the time comes will be saying Long Live King Charles and Queen Camilla. There will be commemorative cups, saucers and plates on every sideboard saying just that.
As the wife of the King she will have every right to be called Queen and after waiting for so long to marry him it is only right that she should be.
By the time that comes, we hope, some people will be asking "Who was Diana?".